English Premier League 2019/2020

[Adriano]

United remind me of the banter era Inter. Just an utter fucking mess.

every era for inter is banter era, come on now lol

 

[monster09]

It's the collision with Aurier that does the damage.

Initiated by Son's challenge.

 

[Rzarecteh]

It's a cynical trip but the cause of the injury is just an unfortunate co-incidence of multiple factors combining at once.

 

[rockball]

It is unfortunate, but the red card is justified. Not only should the end outcome be considered, like here, but also the fact that Son never had any intention of getting the ball and just took out the player.

 

[monster09]

It is unfortunate, but the red card is justified. Not only should the end outcome be considered, like here, but also the fact that Son never had any intention of getting the ball and just took out the player.

Exactly. He made a deliberate foul which resulted in player crashing into Aurier and then the injury. Son didn't break the leg but he was the cause of it.

 

[YoramG]

Well then shall we start red carding every challenge that is meant to a 'professional foul'? Because those also have no intention of getting the ball.

 

[Wobblz]

I agree, really unfortunate, but I don't think a red card should be retrospectively given. Numerous times players have gotten injuries after fouls that weren't even yellow card worthy - should every injury, be it career ending or minor, be red carded as a punishment?

 

[monster09]

That's not a professional foul, that was a reckless challenge that was endangering the safety of the player, as per rule that's a red card offense. In isolation it wasn't a red card but we can't ignore the context here. Son's deliberate and reckless challenge made Gomes to crash into other player, resulting in the injury.

Its like pushing the player, it happens all the time but when the player pushes other player to the post or on to the concrete surface next to the pitch, you can't just say 'pushing is common in football'. Context is key.

Endangering the safety of the player is the rule, Son's tackle did that. He didn't mean to injure the player but played big part in it.

 

[santon48]

Ouch..dont have the courage to see the replay, which one is worst gomes injury or eduardo ? So sad to see these kind of things happen...i rarely see these kind of injuries in serie a or la liga, any explanation ?

 

[_OC_]

Just like Vecino's stamp on Mandzukic wasn't a red just because Orsato in hindsight happened to look at the latter's shin and saw the after-effects of what could look like a red card offense, I don't think this is a red card either.

That's not a professional foul, that was a reckless challenge that was endangering the safety of the player, as per rule that's a red card offense.

Every single contact, however slight, between two football players could potentially end up in horrific injuries and could potentially 'endager the safety of the player', but you don't solely judge offenses and freekicks based on the potential damage they cause but on the nature of them themselves.
The best example that I can conjur up which was handled pretty much perfectly, was Luke Shaw's broken leg. A great tackle by a PSV-player, and unfortunately Shaw was injured in the process. Too bad. Corner kick, nothing given.

 

[monster09]

Just like Vecino's stamp on Mandzukic wasn't a red just because Orsato in hindsight happened to look at the latter's shin and saw the after-effects of what could look like a red card offense, I don't think this is a red card either.



Every single contact, however slight, between two football players could potentially end up in horrific injuries and could potentially 'endager the safety of the player', but you don't solely judge offenses and freekicks based on the potential damage they cause but on the nature of them themselves.
The best example that I can conjur up which was handled pretty much perfectly, was Luke Shaw's broken leg. A great tackle by a PSV-player, and unfortunately Shaw was injured in the process. Too bad. Corner kick, nothing given.

Luke Shaw broken leg was not due to perfect tackle, it was reckless and should have been red too.

'He got the ball' was never the argument, it was reckless and the trailing leg hacked Shaw's standing leg with so much force that resulted in the break. 'Excessive force' 'endangering the safety of the player'. Clear red, shame ref missed it and they didn't have VAR at that time.

Anyways that's why I gave pushing the player as an example, you just can't take that in isolation, you should take everything into consideration. Son just didn't trip the player, he made deliberate reckless challenge which made the player to break his leg. Clear example of endangering the safety of the player.

 

[Rzarecteh]

Son red card rescinded.

 

[Kramerica Industries]

I understand it has its benefits in the games to follow - red cards incur suspensions beyond the game they are shown in - but rescinding that red card doesn't really help Tottenham with, you know, having lost a late lead in part because they were reduced to 10 men for a red card that was later withdrawn. There's an element of the old "closing the barn door after the horses got out" parable in all of that.

 

[Rzarecteh]

Still have no idea why VAR wasn't consulted.

 

[monster09]

Still have no idea why VAR wasn't consulted.

Ref gave yellow, VAR changed it to Red. Poch comments post game confirmed it.

 

[Choppin Onions]

Why are Spuds so terrible this year? They lost no one of importance in the summer (unless you count Trippier lol) and brought in some very good players in Ndombele and Lo Celso and are puttering about in midtable, 11 points off a CL spot. Seems a bit strange.

 

[brehme1989]

They overachieved last season, Eriksen is not in the mood since he didn't get his transfer and the rest of them are quite overrated.

Lo Celso is not well settled yet but Ndombele is indeed a good addition. Yet, also overrated.

 

[monster09]

Why are Spuds so terrible this year? They lost no one of importance in the summer (unless you count Trippier lol) and brought in some very good players in Ndombele and Lo Celso and are puttering about in midtable, 11 points off a CL spot. Seems a bit strange.

There is tifo video which explains so well. Team was over achieving for long and then their key players are older now and exhausted. They didn't refresh the squad. Apart from all this there was a rumor that players are pissed off when Levy's contract was leaked and he was paid much more than them, as per video they all expected bigger pay after finishing 2nd.

Excluding this, the players are physically and mentally exhausted playing high intensity game for years. That's why they missed the trick by not refreshing the team.

 

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[Howl]

That was quick Fabinho 1-0 already in 6 minutes.