David Marcelo Cortez Pizarro

[imperatore4ever]

I think that if Recoba is fit we can start using him like Veron used to play last year behind the forward line

 

[Luka]

inter.it says Mancini has said the following: On David Pizarro's transfer to Roma, the Inter coach said: "I am obviously a bit disappointed about his departure, technically he could have been very useful to us. But I can understand that he wants to play regularly and that he preferred to join a team that can guarantee him this."

At Inter you must budget with some time on the bench. This is only normal and healthy for the club. To some extent of course.

But I know this interview, and we already discused what "fighting for a first team" means.

The words on channel4.com would prove that Mancio wanted him as a back-up, but I won't say: "Hey I won!", because I know sometimes they make things look completely different as they really are.

And I am saying that for the 3rd time

You stick to your opinion, because you won't change what I think, and I will stick with my opinion, because I know I won't change yours.

cheers

 

[Negrozzuri]

i wonder whom Mancio has got in mind when he says bout looking elsewhere 4 options ... Stan or sumone else???

Riquelme baby! i hope its Romy, they wanted him before but maybe the winter transfer window will bring him. Hopefully! :drool:

 

[Forza ragazzi]

But I know this interview, and we already discused what "fighting for a first team" means.

The words on channel4.com would prove that Mancio wanted him as a back-up, but I won't say: "Hey I won!", because I know sometimes they make things look completely different as they really are.

And I am saying that for the 3rd time

You stick to your opinion, because you won't change what I think, and I will stick with my opinion, because I know I won't change yours.

cheers

Ok. But I think this is a matter of opinion regarding Mancini rather than anything else.

 

[Luka]

Ok. But I think this is a matter of opinion regarding Mancini rather than anything else.

Leaving David case behind (because I don't want to talk about it anymore, untill something will come up ) I can honestly say that my opinion of Mancini influenced my view on Pizarro case.

I was very, very upset after Villareal game, but this rage was built with many negative emotions over past 2 years not only with Villareal game.

I don't hide it as my friends know that I would like to see new coach this summer, but after our mercatto I was filled with hope, that maybe what Mancio needed was players for his 4-3-3 and we'll rule in Italy for couple years to come.

Now I'm confused, Mancio is trying out many tactics that looks like he didn't know what to do. If we'll play 4-4-2 we have 1-2 strikers to much, we don't have good wings, and we lack creativity in the middle.

There is a big possibility now, that all the pressure of creating and winning games will be on the shoulders of Adriano and Ibra, and that's not good. I don't have to say why.

Of course we can buy someone, but then we would find half of our squad changed.

I'm just woried that's all. But that doesn't mean I don't care for this club. It is quite opposite.

 

[1919]

Riquelme baby! i hope its Romy, they wanted him before but maybe the winter transfer window will bring him. Hopefully! :drool:

whew!!! what an idea !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok. But I think this is a matter of opinion regarding Mancini rather than anything else.

lets nt play phycho-analyst now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Choppin Onions]

What a dumb fackin transfer if I may say so myself. We give our most creative midfielder to our direct rivals. I mean, WTF is wrong with the retards that run this team? Our board of directors has hit a new low. :yuck:

If Piza returns to his best under Spalletti, Roma is going to be an absolute beast and might contend for the best midfield not just in Italy, but Europe. Meanwhile I hope everyone is looking forward to seeing lots of Dacourt in action.

 

[Forza ragazzi]

Leaving David case behind (because I don't want to talk about it anymore, untill something will come up ) I can honestly say that my opinion of Mancini influenced my view on Pizarro case.

I was very, very upset after Villareal game, but this rage was built with many negative emotions over past 2 years not only with Villareal game.

I don't hide it as my friends know that I would like to see new coach this summer, but after our mercatto I was filled with hope, that maybe what Mancio needed was players for his 4-3-3 and we'll rule in Italy for couple years to come.

Now I'm confused, Mancio is trying out many tactics that looks like he didn't know what to do. If we'll play 4-4-2 we have 1-2 strikers to much, we don't have good wings, and we lack creativity in the middle.

There is a big possibility now, that all the pressure of creating and winning games will be on the shoulders of Adriano and Ibra, and that's not good. I don't have to say why.

Of course we can buy someone, but then we would find half of our squad changed.

I'm just woried that's all. But that doesn't mean I don't care for this club. It is quite opposite.

I got that right away. Mancini hadn't anything to do with Pizarro's departure.

Everyone was upset after the Villareal match, but I, and probably many with me, can't blame Mancini for it. To me, it was each and every Inter player on the field that let me down that night. No one else. I felt sorry for Mancini.

Oba will leave for Newcastle and Choutos are rumoured to, among others, Q.P.R. and AEK. We'll have five strikers, just perfect. Adri, Ibra, Cruz, Chino, Crespo.

Cesar/Solari and Carini will also leave, btw, and a new midfielder will come to replace Pizarro. Also we might get a back-up defender if Andreolli is to be loaned out, though I doubt he'll accept it.

 

[Luka]

Mancini hadn't anything to do with Pizarro's departure.

We don't know that ( stop it ! , I thought we agreed to seize fire )

Everyone was upset after the Villareal match, but I, and probably many with me, can't blame Mancini for it. To me, it was each and every Inter player on the field that let me down that night. No one else. I felt sorry for Mancini.

You know, it's many, many things (like I said) that made me angry over those 2 years. I was happy that we aquired him as our coach. That was right decision at the time, but for me, he should be waved goodbye after last season.

 

[Waleed]

How about his next quote?

“I tried to get him to stay, but he was finding it difficult to take on a bench role and wanted a club where he’d get to feature more regularly.”

How do you explain that? Maybe it's just an expresion ?

I can explain it easily and like FR said at Inter rarely are you guranteed a first team place. Put a couple of junk performances and you can find yourself riding the pine for the next month or so. David thought he had paid his dues last season by being Veron's back up and was now (rightly in my mind) demanding a first team place. He spoke to Mancini and the discussion led to the two agreeing to reject the offer in hopes that he would get much more exposure this season. Sometime in between that conversation and him accepting the move to Roma he changed his mind and wanted to leave.

I am sure Mancini laid it all out for him and told him he was going to play the formation he thought best suited the team and its players and that one of these formations might see him feature a great deal. At first he accepted this chance and rejected the offer, what irks me is the sudden reversal in his movements and accept the revamped offer. Surely a difference of 1.2 mill over 4 years was not what was preventing him from moving to Roma in the first place.

Change to a 3-5-2 formation ? No thanks. It's XXI century.

I see no reason that this 3-5-2 can not work. Sure there are 3 center backs on the pitch but in essence there are really 5 defenders in there. 3 that remain at the back at all times and two that bomb forward when the team is attacking. With Grosso and Zanetti starting in the wide positions and Maxwell and Maicon to back them up I dont know why you guaff at this type of formation. Perhaps it is because you had your heart set on the 4-3-3?? Anyways that type of formation would have seen Pizarro start almost every game in the middle of the park with plenty of time to pull the strings. Either distribute to the wide positions, pass it up to Ibra or even run the ball up himself. Each option provides creativity and diversity to the attack while maintaining the overall defensive shape of the side.

 

[Luka]

I see no reason that this 3-5-2 can not work. Sure there are 3 center backs on the pitch but in essence there are really 5 defenders in there. 3 that remain at the back at all times and two that bomb forward when the team is attacking. With Grosso and Zanetti starting in the wide positions and Maxwell and Maicon to back them up I dont know why you guaff at this type of formation. Perhaps it is because you had your heart set on the 4-3-3??

You are so.... wrong. First I am a huge fan of 4-4-2 formation. In fact I have a book about that formation.

And second... show me top-class club that is playing with 3 defenders at the back.

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I won't answer to the Pizarro situation anymore. You posted one quote, while in the other Mancini expressed it clearly that Pizarro didn't want bench role, that's why he left. I mean what sentence you have to read to realize Mancini wasn't up to use Pizarro as a first team choice ?

And before you answer I want to say again, that I don't believe in 100% in this article, but if you put it out...

 

[hulle]

inter sold another great player and sold him to As Roma
damn great
now roma will be better
totti will have more freedom in attack

 

[ragazzofortunato]

Great discussion, Lukair and Forza ragazzi.. You left me with nothing to say.. well almost nothing.. let me go back to that famous qoute:

"I am obviously a bit disappointed about his departure, technically he could have been very useful to us. But I can understand that he wants to play regularly and that he preferred to join a team that can guarantee him this."

Many times in conversation selection of words or pronunciation can discover a true intentions and real thoughts of a person.. Well we can't relay on pronunciation here but.. let my analyse his words..

"I am obviously a bit disappointed" - he's a bit disappointed? well, if he counted him to be a regular, and our unquestionable playmaker, him leaving should have been a huge disappointment for him..
For all of us who really trusted in him, this is far from a "bit" of disappointment..

technically - well this is maybe the most important word.. It's often used by coaches for players who are very usefull for a team but not a first team regulars.. Mancio used it many times for Solari..


Well you said it all on the rest...

And think about some other factors.. If we played 4-3-3 with Cuchu, Pizarro and Viera, Stanković would have been left out.. And Mancio surely wasn't planning on keeping him on the bench whole season.. playing him in cup matches - no way!

So it's for the best this way.. Well, only for Pizarro.. As far we are concerned - we are screwed.. Except if we didn't put some - "you gotta lose all matches we play against you this season" clause in the deal

 

[Waleed]

You are so.... wrong. First I am a huge fan of 4-4-2 formation. In fact I have a book about that formation.

Bravo, and I was supposed to know you loved the 4-4-2 (and even had a book on it imagine that??) how exactly?? All I see from your posts in this thread is that you were hoping Mancini would play the 4-3-3, do not expect me to read your mind.

And second... show me top-class club that is playing with 3 defenders at the back.

Just because top clubs are not using it does not make it a bad formation, what kind of logic is that?? Show me a club aside from cheaty magee Juve that was using the 4-4-2 and succeeding? Even then it was only their individual brilliance that allowed them to narrowly proceed in the CL and fail at the same hurdle they did last year to teams that at first glance were inferior to them. Nobody was playing cattenccio before Herrerra brought it in to stunning effect. Nobody was really succeeding with the 4-3-3 until Rijkaard's Barcelona began to play spectacular football with it. Changing formations is not the end of the world and changing it to one that is not currently being used does not always mean the team will not be successful.

I won't answer to the Pizarro situation anymore. You posted one quote, while in the other Mancini expressed it clearly that Pizarro didn't want bench role, that's why he left. I mean what sentence you have to read to realize Mancini wasn't up to use Pizarro as a first team choice ?

And before you answer I want to say again, that I don't believe in 100% in this article, but if you put it out...

:yawn:

 

[snake]

Lukair, fact is you dont know jack sh1t about whatsgoing to happen in the future.

Mancini WAS very willing to play Pizarro with Cambiasso and Vieira, but Mancini could NOT garuntee that it world work out and sadly for Pizarro who has had plenty of chances already if it didnt work out then he wouldnt play as much.

Dont say Mancini already had his mind made up of not playing them, cause thats BS..if the pre season has indicated anything thus far its Mancini is trying to find something new, and nearly every formation has including 3 central midfielders so re-think your logic.

 

[1919]

i agree to Helal's post except "plenty of chances" ... but one thing i must say ... peep who c pre-season games hv been mighty impressed with Pizarro in our new formation.

i hv nt seen ne so cant comment. if it was working out well then why sell Pizaro???

 

[nadamayor]

hello...
inter needs money, they seems selling anyone nowdays. not a single player is safe. well except javier zanetti (i love this guy) and the Lazio gang. its inter management and macini's right to sell or buy players. but hell it better work, bcoz the past selling is just make other team stronger. pizarro is a great palyer,great palyers must played in the pitch. they dont suit the bench.

to mancini
win something worth remembered. (copa is worth but no one bother to remember it)

we are strange arent we. we mourn for player who fail to show their greatness in inter. inter isnt the only one. but still sad to see great player go eventough we havent see much of him.

Riquelme baby! i hope its Romy, they wanted him before but maybe the winter transfer window will bring him. Hopefully! :drool:

inter managements is unbelieveable. this season and last season many creative midfielder moved from tehir clubs with cheap money compare to their abilities. aimar, diego ribas, riquelme, van der vaart. look at the clubs, not one of them a top europe club. we cant even snacth one of them. they are young and powerful. damn we only can buy great players when another caciopoli happen. hope it happen in spain and england and germany.:drool:

 

[Hussein]

I don't think selling Pizarro was a great loss for us because anyway he was going to be a substitute for Vieira and Cambiasso this season. Pizarro is a good central midfielder that has a great passing ability and a superb vision, but he lacks the ability to go forward and that was his problem at Inter. In other words, he can only play horizontaly not verticaly.

 

[Luka]

Bravo, and I was supposed to know you loved the 4-4-2 (and even had a book on it imagine that??) how exactly??

Now you know.

I thought of 4-3-3 because everything lead to it. All the mercato, Mancinis interviews in last 2 years, and it did make logical sense.

Just because top clubs are not using it does not make it a bad formation, what kind of logic is that??

Of course it doesn't, but it makes you think though... why all those great tacticians all around the world don't use it?

Show me a club aside from cheaty magee Juve that was using the 4-4-2 and succeeding? Even then it was only their individual brilliance that allowed them to narrowly proceed in the CL and fail at the same hurdle they did last year to teams that at first glance were inferior to them. Nobody was playing cattenccio before Herrerra brought it in to stunning effect. Nobody was really succeeding with the 4-3-3 until Rijkaard's Barcelona began to play spectacular football with it. Changing formations is not the end of the world and changing it to one that is not currently being used does not always mean the team will not be successful.

4-3-3 is a very known formation for years. Ajax is playing that for ages, and it did succed as you know, not only in it's national league. 4-3-3 was also used the most in Lippis carrer if you didn't know. In Juventus he played up front with Vailli, Ravanelli, Del Pierro or with Zidane, Del Pierro, Inzaghi.

Many, many examples. It is well known tactic for years.

In Poland for example few years ago many coaches were still playing with 3 defenders behind, and everybody said we are way behind the civilisation if you know what I mean. One team switched to 4 defenders, then after that another and another. Now... everybody is playing with 4 at the back (with a little exception - Dan Petrescu played last 2 games with 3 defenders at the back, but it didn't work to well. He had to switch it in the half-time to 4-3-2-1 to win last game though. And even if he played with 3 at the back it was 3-4-3 formation, not 3-5-2).

In Europe it happend very much alike, just it happened much earlier. 4 defenders is a known standard and for many it is the best configuration in the defens at the moment.

Sure, you have a point that time changes things. Once the best formation in the world was with 3 defenders in the back, but it was because the game was very much different than it is nowadays. Way back it was focused on individuals, not on the team.

Anyways... Mancio said we will probably play with 4-4-2 at the end of the day... so our discussion is irrelevant.

Lukair, fact is you dont know jack sh1t about whatsgoing to happen in the future.

Ofcourse. Nobody does.

But I can say also, that you don't know sh1t about what Mancini has on his mind today.

I was so sure we're gonna play differently this season. I was so damn sure... and we all se what is happening. It will be probably 4-4-2 again.

And don't tell me if Mancini was going to play Pizarro or not, because you won't convince me. I have my opinion and I won't change it.

The fact is David is in Roma, and that's not good, while for Roma and Spaletti it's quite opposite.

Dont say Mancini already had his mind made up of not playing them, cause thats BS..if the pre season has indicated anything thus far its Mancini is trying to find something new, and nearly every formation has including 3 central midfielders so re-think your logic.

Maybe he changed his mind. Just like David did. What a coincidence LOL

ps. You didn't show me how do you present 4-2-3-1 formation. Still waiting

 

[Forza ragazzi]

You are so.... wrong. First I am a huge fan of 4-4-2 formation. In fact I have a book about that formation.

And second... show me top-class club that is playing with 3 defenders at the back.

...

I won't answer to the Pizarro situation anymore. You posted one quote, while in the other Mancini expressed it clearly that Pizarro didn't want bench role, that's why he left. I mean what sentence you have to read to realize Mancini wasn't up to use Pizarro as a first team choice ?

And before you answer I want to say again, that I don't believe in 100% in this article, but if you put it out...

Well, of course Pizarro wouldn't be a first teamer permanently if you CHOOSE which parts to believe in and which to ignore.

And who cares if no club uses three in defence? If we can master it and play well with it, why not?

But I can say also, that you don't know sh1t about what Mancini has on his mind today.

I was so sure we're gonna play differently this season. I was so damn sure... and we all se what is happening. It will be probably 4-4-2 again.

And don't tell me if Mancini was going to play Pizarro or not, because you won't convince me. I have my opinion and I won't change it.

Well, you don't now shit about what Mancini has on his mind today either. No one does. But there were absolutely solar clear indications that Pizarro would play. For me, it's a mystery how you can't see that. Oh, maybe it isn't. You hate Mancini.

4-4-2 seems probable now, but why? Because we sold Pizarro.

If you go into a discussion without being willing to get convinced that your opinion might be wrong, then you'll basically be better of not discussing it.