Catania - Inter (1 Sep 13)

[chipschups]

Icardi definitely will scored at Catania

 

[yoszee]

3 - 0
Alvarez scores using his right foot
Icardi header
Jonathan header

 

[Kovacic10]

Not sure about some of the suggestions saying Ricky, Kovacic, Guarin as a central midfield. To me that looks like it lacks cover, especially with how suicidal Guarin can be at times.

Definitely needs to be a CDM so Kovacic and Ricky/Guarin can go forward knowing there's cover behind. I'd prefer Taider but I can't fault Mazzarri when he chooses Cambiasso instead.

 

[rockball]

Guarin - Taider - Kovacic

That's what we should do. And yes a 352, no Ricky behind Palacio.

 

[Bluenine]

Guarin - Taider - Kovacic

That's what we should do. And yes a 352, no Ricky behind Palacio.

Yeah, lets not play a defensive midfielder, our defenders don't need any cover.

I would just change Kovacic or Taider for Kuzmanovic, and play the same team. I hope our focus remains on defensive organisation... this is Catania, not Genoa.

 

[Pajo]

And what, you consider Kuzmanovic as DM and someone who will help the defense?

You don't need DM if at least two of the midfielders are hard workers and good in defense. I heard Taider is good in defense, Guarin CAN be good if he decides to track back, and Kova impressed me with his defensive skills last year, i thought he is shit defender. So if they all work hard and cover ground, classic DM is not needed. JuBe style.

 

[Sassuolu]

There's no need for someone to be a pure DM considering the way we press up the field we really don't need someone like that we need someone who can run a lot and distributed the ball and be physical, can Taider do that? I don't know we'll see.

 

[Bluenine]

And what, you consider Kuzmanovic as DM and someone who will help the defense?

You don't need DM if at least two of the midfielders are hard workers and good in defense. I heard Taider is good in defense, Guarin CAN be good if he decides to track back, and Kova impressed me with his defensive skills last year, i thought he is shit defender. So if they all work hard and cover ground, classic DM is not needed. JuBe style.

Did you read my post at all before replying? Clearly, I couldn't have been talking about Kuz, if I am suggesting we leave him out.

Cambiasso & Mudingayi are the only two DMs we have. Until we either buy a proper DM, or get a defensive organisation working, I would suggest we play one of them. Guarin is useless when it comes to protecting the defense, Kovacic is more of a regista - lets NOT burden him with more defensive responsibilities. Taider is not a DM either, and I wouldn't waste his talent playing him as one.

Juve have seriously talented and physical midfielders like Vidal, Pogba & Marchisio. And their defense is reasonably well organised already. You cannot expect this Inter and the new recruits to make that jump instantaneously. If we have to evolve to a Juve style system, it needs to be a gradual process starting by organising the defense with some protection from the midfield.

All theory, Pajo, lets get real.

 

[Pajo]

Did you read my post at all before replying? Clearly, I couldn't have been talking about Kuz, if I am suggesting we leave him out.

I read it twice since you posted this, and yes, in that post, the way you put it, suggest we play Kuz instead of Kova/Taider, so... Maybe you meant one thing and said another.

Cambiasso & Mudingayi are the only two DMs we have. Until we either buy a proper DM, or get a defensive organisation working, I would suggest we play one of them. Guarin is useless when it comes to protecting the defense, Kovacic is more of a regista - lets NOT burden him with more defensive responsibilities. Taider is not a DM either, and I wouldn't waste his talent playing him as one.

I don't know about Taider, as i said, i have never paid attention to him. But people i talked with, who know him, say that he is equally good as DM as well as b2b. I don't know if they are right, but we will see. Playing Cambi is like playing with man down, i'd rather play Palacio as DM than start Cambiasso. Also, Mudy is injured, so a no go. I wouldn't agree that Guarin is useless tho, if he decides he wants to defend, he can do it well. The IF is huge tho.

Juve have seriously talented and physical midfielders like Vidal, Pogba & Marchisio. And their defense is reasonably well organised already. You cannot expect this Inter and the new recruits to make that jump instantaneously. If we have to evolve to a Juve style system, it needs to be a gradual process starting by organising the defense with some protection from the midfield.
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Yes, setting the defense is priority. And we will see it against Catania who have decent strikeforce. Players covering eachother and working their asses off is more important than to have old fashined pure DM in the team who will only sit back. I mentioned JuBe because if we play 3 at the back, it's their style we should be aiming for. Only Vidal is beast in defense from all those, Pogba and Marchisio are average at best, but they all are working hard, and cover ground, so the defense is better. We CAN do that, but needs time.

Besides, Mazzarri has never been using pure DM as well. He likes physical CMs who cover ground and at least one good defender, and that's it. No pure DM.

 

[DIN011]

Agree with Pajo tbh, we don't need a DM. Our midfield looked much better better when we played without Kuz and Cambi. Look at Fiorentina's midfield for example. They're defensively solid despite not having a DM.

 

[rockball]

Yeah, lets not play a defensive midfielder, our defenders don't need any cover.

I would just change Kovacic or Taider for Kuzmanovic, and play the same team. I hope our focus remains on defensive organisation... this is Catania, not Genoa.

How is Kuz good defensively?

And you don't need a strict DM. Very few modern sides do that. Ancelotti played the last game with a pivot of Modric-Isco! Bayern have Schweinsteiger as deepest midfielder. Name any club apart from Inter that likes to play pure destroyers.

Of course we are not at the level of those clubs, but a midfield of Guarin-Taider-Kovacic has all 3 players capable of helping out in both phases of the game, and with an organized coach they can be good defensively.

 

[Coasterfreek]

So we try going this way without a DM?



I could see a 3-2 Catania win with something like this.

 

[Fapuccino]

That's exactly what I'd pick. Kova next to the 2 front strikers to supply them with service, because Palacio is not #10.

Guarin and Taider have a defensive side to them.

Besides with 3 defenders, one of them always goes up to pressure (JJ or Campagnaro) acting as a temporary DM in counter attacks, while the other two drop back and jockey.



Our problem is not defence as shown by Genoa game, it's our inability to break down opponents. Rubentus with this formation wins every game like 1-0, usually the 1 is a penalty.

That's why we need to invert the midfield 3 in the 3-5-2, and make it a 3-4-1-2, turning the deep lying playmaker into an AM.

This way Kovacic can act as an AM but also drop back as a CM, and he can supply our strikers with passes and verticalize play, while the wingbacks push forward and stretch the play. The wingbacks are there 95% of the time to stretch the play and not supply service. Service from wingbacks is only given in very specific circumstances where their defence is unorganized, because if organized the wingbacks will be far too isolated to supply any meaningful service, i.e. why people swear at Nagatomo for doing nothing, while he's actually doing the best one could at that position.

 

[ChillBro]

I want to see taider, guarin, kova and alvarez start every game! which could work in a 4 man midfield but with a 3 man midfield... eh, you have to leave one out and honestly, probably 2 out unless they step up their defensive games

 

[thatdude]

It will be good to have some depth on the bench. We can always throw Alvarez into a LWB position if we are chasing a game, but that's the only way I can see us having all 4 on the field in a 3-5-2, without playing Alavarez as a SS.

 

[JJM]

a formation without Cambiasso is unrealistic because as our new captain he needs to play every game from the start :epicwin:

 

[Bluenine]

I read it twice since you posted this, and yes, in that post, the way you put it, suggest we play Kuz instead of Kova/Taider, so... Maybe you meant one thing and said another.

My bad, I meant that we should start the same line up as last time, just replace Kuzmanovic with either Kovacic or Taider.

I disagree with the popular opinion here that we should already start playing without a DM... specially not with rookie midfielders like Kovacic & Taider. We need to give proper cover to our defense, till our team get organised enough to defend as an unit. These things take time. The worst thing that can happen right now is if teams start tearing our defense apart at every opportunity.

Which is why a new DM like Nainggolan is key for us. We don't need a pure destroyer, but a ball playing midfielder who can sit on top of the defense can help our team a lot... someone like a young Cambiasso.

 

[interista4]

So we try going this way without a DM?



I could see a 3-2 Catania win with something like this.

No DMs capable of running>DM incapable of running

 

[Ronaldo]

So we try going this way without a DM?



I could see a 3-2 Catania win with something like this.

Kova likes to play in the midfield and Gurain doesn't track back and wants to be closer to the goal. Also, in his two offocial games he had two assists.

I can't really understand why would people change their roles. Specially that Guarin is playing great behind the strikers!

Just because you like to see Kova developing into an AM doesn't mean he should play there.


And they blame the coach if he plays the players out of position!

 

[Bluenine]

I know Cuchu is hated at FIF now, but till I see a better alternative, I would prefer this against Catania:

Palacio
Alvarez
Nagatomo - Kovacic - Guarin - Jonathan
Cambiasso
Juan - Ranocchia - Campagnaro
Handanovic​

Its the start of the season, the more important thing is to contain goals... if need be, Icardi and Taider can be brought in play in the 2nd half...