Antonio Conte

[n4l]

No need to panic. But we can easily go 0-3 in the next 3 games, which will result in ridiculous pressure. No way you slice it, we're 1 win in the last 6 games. We can't go 1 win in 9 games.

That's why I said, conte needs to stabilize and get a couple of results here. Whether it's lucky or not, we need it.

Imo, we need to win at least 2 of the next 3 games to really "feel" like we're good and that the last few draws were truly just bad form/some back luck.

 

[Kramerica Industries]

One of the reasons that was supposed to be a feather in Conte's cap with his appointment was that he was supposed to bring a winning pedigree with him, right? And I know what you're thinking - I'm thinking it too - but it's irrelevant to the broader discussion, whether a lot of that was through Juve cheating or not. It doesn't change what the logic was supposed to be.

If that's what he's supposed to bring, then we need to see that reflect in the players and in the mentality of the team. We're never going to break through the glass ceiling hold us back if we're going to approach big games and play like a bunch of cowards (and/or, get our spirits knocked out when things aren't going well in the early stages of games we're "supposed" to win). The mental fortitude we saw in the March derby match is something this team needs to bring with them in every game they play. Because that's a winning mentality. Short of that, Conte's failed to instill that mentality, and he won't win any trophies as long as he's the manager of this team, and this core of the team will never win any trophies regardless of who the manager might be.

 

[andrei]

One of the reasons that was supposed to be a feather in Conte's cap with his appointment was that he was supposed to bring a winning pedigree with him, right? And I know what you're thinking - I'm thinking it too - but it's irrelevant to the broader discussion, whether a lot of that was through Juve cheating or not. It doesn't change what the logic was supposed to be.

If that's what he's supposed to bring, then we need to see that reflect in the players and in the mentality of the team. We're never going to break through the glass ceiling hold us back if we're going to approach big games and play like a bunch of cowards (and/or, get our spirits knocked out when things aren't going well in the early stages of games we're "supposed" to win). The mental fortitude we saw in the March derby match is something this team needs to bring with them in every game they play. Because that's a winning mentality. Short of that, Conte's failed to instill that mentality, and he won't win any trophies as long as he's the manager of this team, and this core of the team will never win any trophies regardless of who the manager might be.

Year zero again

 

[syrus]

, and this core of the team will never win any trophies regardless of who the manager might be.

Exactly this. ..... Conte's just the icing on the cake

 

[Palacio]

If the core of the team is the problem why is Conte blamed and not Marotta. I don’t like both of them but it pains me to see a lot of members here who consider the loser Marotta as an assest.

 

[CafeCordoba]

No need to panic. But we can easily go 0-3 in the next 3 games, which will result in ridiculous pressure. No way you slice it, we're 1 win in the last 6 games. We can't go 1 win in 9 games.

That's why I said, conte needs to stabilize and get a couple of results here. Whether it's lucky or not, we need it.

Imo, we need to win at least 2 of the next 3 games to really "feel" like we're good and that the last few draws were truly just bad form/some back luck.

Yeah, totally. This is a true test for Conte, can he get the team to play without bigger mistakes in the defensive phase.

Last 6 indeed, 8 goals scored. 7 conceded. 7 points acquired. We need better numbers, a lot better numbers.

 

[rfU]

Do you think switching coach to Allegri would instantly solve problem? People argue that Conte is too inflexible in his 3-5-2 and I totally agree. But if Allegri comes, he will inherit this squad which tailored only to play this very formation. We simply do not have players to play other formation.

I disagree, this squad can easily convert to a 4-2-3-1 but one of Kaku or Lautoro will be benched.
Handa; Darmian, Skrinair, DeVrij, Bastoni; Brozovic, Barella; Hakimi, Sensi, Eriksen; Lukaku

I do agree Allegri will have us by the balls.

 

[NeonBlade]

There are so many games, there shouldn’t be any complaints about playing time, unless the player is just being an asshole at that point. That should be one of the first things Conte made understood. In 3 competitions there is more than enough time to go around, and playing time is contingent on how well we do, obviously bowing out of the Champions League (which absolutely will happen) will change this.

...but as I said before, just bring in the new coach before the Winter break, unless there is no break in Italy this year.

 

[CoolMan44]

No need to panic. But we can easily go 0-3 in the next 3 games, which will result in ridiculous pressure.

The 3rd game is home against Torino - if we lose against them we can really lose to anyone.

 

[Fitzy]

No need to panic. But we can easily go 0-3 in the next 3 games, which will result in ridiculous pressure. No way you slice it, we're 1 win in the last 6 games. We can't go 1 win in 9 games.

That's why I said, conte needs to stabilize and get a couple of results here. Whether it's lucky or not, we need it.

Imo, we need to win at least 2 of the next 3 games to really "feel" like we're good and that the last few draws were truly just bad form/some back luck.

I'm fully expecting 0-3.

 

[Il Drago]

No need to panic. But we can easily go 0-3 in the next 3 games, which will result in ridiculous pressure. No way you slice it, we're 1 win in the last 6 games. We can't go 1 win in 9 games.

That's why I said, conte needs to stabilize and get a couple of results here. Whether it's lucky or not, we need it.

Imo, we need to win at least 2 of the next 3 games to really "feel" like we're good and that the last few draws were truly just bad form/some back luck.

Our next 5 matches are:

Real (A)
Atalanta (A)
Torino (H)
Real (H)
Sassuolo (A)

With the way we're playing i can see us getting a win against Torino, 2 draws against Atalanta and Sassuolo and 1 point in the two matches against Real. That would make it 4 wins in 13 matches. Totally unacceptable. It would put the coach in immense pressure and would risk our season going downhill. We need to improve and most importantly we need results NOW.

 

[dax21]

I disagree, this squad can easily convert to a 4-2-3-1 but one of Kaku or Lautoro will be benched.
Handa; Darmian, Skrinair, DeVrij, Bastoni; Brozovic, Barella; Hakimi, Sensi, Eriksen; Lukaku

I do agree Allegri will have us by the balls.

I agree with you, that formation could work. But I still think that our wastefulness in front of the goal is still a way bigger issue than our shaky defense and no formation change is fixing that.

 

[brehme1989]

When your defense leaks, there's added pressure to the attack to perform. Doesn't really help as scoring is correlated with confidence. Bad defense is bad for collective confidence.

 

[Il Drago]

I agree with you, that formation could work. But I still think that our wastefulness in front of the goal is still a way bigger issue than our shaky defense and no formation change is fixing that.

I strongly disagree with this one. So far we have scored:

4 vs. Fiorentina
5 vs. Benevento
1 vs Lazio
1 vs Milan
2 vs Gladbach
2 vs Genoa
0 vs Shakhtar
2 vs Parma

We only didn't score against Shakhtar and in most matches we have scored at least 2 goals. We have dropped so many points because we had to score at least 3 goals in most matches in order to win. You can't expect the attack to make up for the poor defence in every game. It's not realistic. The problem isn't the attack, the problem is the defence.

 

[rockball]

The problem with these discussions is that things are too binary. Nothing you say can make any difference. But there's a couple of things here, which of course have been mentioned multiple times.

1. I wanted Conte gone after the Sevilla defeat. That hasn't changed. He is not good enough tactically, and not a long term coach. Even if our results improve tomorrow, and we get momentum, I fully expect him to get schooled when we meet a big team or coach, and that will happen against Pirlo as well.

2. Having said the above, the results in last few matches cannot be blamed on the coach. Vidal, Hakimi, Lautaro, Perisic should be taking the chances that they got. There are enough chances getting created. At the same time, we are conceding fewer chances to the opposition. We have been a bit unlucky that the opposition gets lucky with those few chances. Our defensive instability isn't new, and there are no signs of that changing.

3. Even if recent performances merit better results, the tactics are fucking ridiculous. The patterns of play that we go into make me want to throw everything in sight at my 55 inch screen. I cringe every time Barella or any other midfielder falls into the RCB position and have D'Ambrosio move into the RWB position, all pushing Hakimi to an inside position. What the fuck is being done here? You have a good technical midfielder moving into a role where their abilities are being wasted. You have the RCB moving to RWB where the only they they can do is hoof up the ball with their weaker foot. And you have your RWB who doesn't have any space there and cannot make any use of his best attributes which are his pace and running.
At the same time, we keep trying the same things over and over again, and none of this on the left flank. Again this is because Lukaku is supposed to hold up the ball here, which Lautaro cannot do on the other side. For a squad as good as ours, we are ridiculously overdependent on one player. And only the coach can be blamed for it.
With all of this, it is a miracle that we are creating any chances at all.

4. For a team that is supposed to be among the strongest in the league, you can always expect that half the other teams will sit back and defend with everyone behind the ball against you. And it's just too simple to block our attacks. Why, look at pt. 3.

In the summer I was crying out for Conte to switch to 4312, which suits our team in every which way. Now Conte is a stubborn fuck. We would only change our formation and tactics a bit is if our results continue, or become worse. And of course, that would lead to our season being over very soon.

Can Conte wake up before things are too late? Cos he surely won't be fired/leaving before it's too late.

 

[Adriano@10]

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Can Conte wake up before things are too late? Cos he surely won't be fired/leaving before it's too late.

If by wake up you mean switch to a 4 man defense than that will never happen.

 

[.h.]

tbf i think the 4 man defense is a bit harsh in some ways.

3 at the back has definitively got the best out of Bastoni and De Vrij. Who knows how Bastoni will play in a 4 at the back - I dont think he's a left back, so what are we gonna do, play him as a rotation player? De Vrij at RCB and drop Skriniar? What do we do with Hakimi? Make him a RB? He joined specifically to play RWB as far as I'm aware, and he'd poetntially be wasted at RB.


4-3-1-2 is still conditional on getting the best out of Eriksen or Sensi, really. Who are we playing in CM? Barella Vidal Brozovic? Might be OK. But then we're going to really lack width again and all you need to do to block play is cut off passes to Eriksen, really.

 

[JJM]

Dumbo-SDV-Skrin/Bastoni-Darmian/Young
Vidal-Brozo-Barella
Hakimi-Toro/Kaku-Perisic

Easy peasy lemon squeeze
Stop getting butchered on the counter so much, like it's magic
And no more Kolarov fucking up everything possible

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[.h.]

I think we'er always going to play 2 up frnt with both Lukaku and Lautaro here, so I think we need to pin to that. Even in a 4 at the back world, but I'm pretty confident we wont pivot away from 3 at the back.

 

[Il Drago]

As long as we have both Lukaku and Lautaro in the squad we can only play 2 back 4 formations:

4-3-1-2

Handanovic
Hakimi - Skriniar - De Vrij - Bastoni
Barella - Brozovic - Vidal
Eriksen
Lukaku - Lautaro

4-4-2

Handanovic
D'Ambrosio - Skriniar - De Vrij - Young
Hakimi - Barella - Vidal - Perisic
Lukaku - Lautaro

4-3-1-2 makes most sense as it fits more to the squad we have. For Hakimi to play as a rb, you need a defensive lb who will always stay behind and turn into a 3rd cb when we're in attack and Bastoni could play that role. For 4-4-2 to work, you need two wingers who can be tactically disciplined in order not to be overrun in midfield and we have only two wing players who can play that, Hakimi and Perisic. The problem is in that formation Eriksen and Sensi are of no use and Bastoni would be wasted at the bench.