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Didier Deschamps
Matthias Sammer
Josep Guardiola
Carlo Ancelotti (just 1 Serie B season before joining Parma that were challenging in Europe and Italy)
Zinedine Zidane
Leonardo
Ramon Diaz (won Libertadores in his first season)
Marcelo Gallardo (started in Uruguay, won the league in his first season, left, moved to River in 2014 and is still there and he is amongst the most successful coaches in the club's history)
Louis Van Gaal (first managerial job ever at Ajax he was like "you just hired the best manager in the world". And he probably is the best coach of that decade)
Giovanni Trapattoni (got the Milan job after being an assistant or youth manager for a year or something, moved to Juventus the year after and became a legend)
Jupp Heynckes (got the Gladbach job almost immediately after retiring as a football player, stayed there for almost 10 years, rest is history)
Dino Zoff (coached the Olympic side in 1988 then moved to Juventus, without prior coaching experience for those 5 years. Ended up winning the Uefa Cup in 1990)
Ruud Gullit (player-manager at Chelsea in the years where the PL was closer to the MLS than the Bundesliga, but still not a small feat)
Guys like Antonio Conte, Luis Enrique, Diego Simeone had some decent or even bad experiences before joining their former (top) club and ended up being considered great.
Most of the best coaches in the world are former players who either got an easy way to a top because of where they played. Not that many actually climb some managerial ladder. Gennaro Gattuso had no business being in Serie A, but Milan was a mess and they were like "here, have a shot, since everything else fails". Now he's managed to win the Coppa Italia with another Serie A club. The guy should have been in the 2nd tier of a shitty league based on achievement prior to the Milan job.
Conte as well, sort of failed everywhere but Juventus wanted to hire someone they knew well and was cheap enough to help them build a stronger team and they had no regrets. It's all about timing. Zenga at Inter could have been legendary, but you only see him at shit clubs and he fails. It's a different animal. Conte at shit clubs was crap as well but here he is earning 11m a year only because his former club, at the right time, gave him the job. Had we gotten Zenga after Mourinho he may have won a Champions League within a couple of seasons, who knows... It's one thing to manage Zanetti, Maicon, Eto'o, Milito, Sneijder, Samuel and Cambiasso and another to coach a bunch of unambitious nobodies.
The difference with Pirlo is that he was a locker room jester, not a leader. And his personality is not that of a charismatic leader, but rather an easy going, introverted, fun character. Deschamps, Guardiola, Simeone, Conte etc were all what you call leaders. You don't need this type, but it's more likely to succeed.
Matthias Sammer
Josep Guardiola
Carlo Ancelotti (just 1 Serie B season before joining Parma that were challenging in Europe and Italy)
Zinedine Zidane
Leonardo
Ramon Diaz (won Libertadores in his first season)
Marcelo Gallardo (started in Uruguay, won the league in his first season, left, moved to River in 2014 and is still there and he is amongst the most successful coaches in the club's history)
Louis Van Gaal (first managerial job ever at Ajax he was like "you just hired the best manager in the world". And he probably is the best coach of that decade)
Giovanni Trapattoni (got the Milan job after being an assistant or youth manager for a year or something, moved to Juventus the year after and became a legend)
Jupp Heynckes (got the Gladbach job almost immediately after retiring as a football player, stayed there for almost 10 years, rest is history)
Dino Zoff (coached the Olympic side in 1988 then moved to Juventus, without prior coaching experience for those 5 years. Ended up winning the Uefa Cup in 1990)
Ruud Gullit (player-manager at Chelsea in the years where the PL was closer to the MLS than the Bundesliga, but still not a small feat)
Guys like Antonio Conte, Luis Enrique, Diego Simeone had some decent or even bad experiences before joining their former (top) club and ended up being considered great.
Most of the best coaches in the world are former players who either got an easy way to a top because of where they played. Not that many actually climb some managerial ladder. Gennaro Gattuso had no business being in Serie A, but Milan was a mess and they were like "here, have a shot, since everything else fails". Now he's managed to win the Coppa Italia with another Serie A club. The guy should have been in the 2nd tier of a shitty league based on achievement prior to the Milan job.
Conte as well, sort of failed everywhere but Juventus wanted to hire someone they knew well and was cheap enough to help them build a stronger team and they had no regrets. It's all about timing. Zenga at Inter could have been legendary, but you only see him at shit clubs and he fails. It's a different animal. Conte at shit clubs was crap as well but here he is earning 11m a year only because his former club, at the right time, gave him the job. Had we gotten Zenga after Mourinho he may have won a Champions League within a couple of seasons, who knows... It's one thing to manage Zanetti, Maicon, Eto'o, Milito, Sneijder, Samuel and Cambiasso and another to coach a bunch of unambitious nobodies.
The difference with Pirlo is that he was a locker room jester, not a leader. And his personality is not that of a charismatic leader, but rather an easy going, introverted, fun character. Deschamps, Guardiola, Simeone, Conte etc were all what you call leaders. You don't need this type, but it's more likely to succeed.