Antonio Conte

[n4l]

Honestly, reading this thread is so ironic at times.

Lets start with the fact (to be consistent) that imo saying all of these things by Conte, even if true, out in the open was no good. Would like to know the reasons (if there were any) with Conte why he did that, but my guess would be that it was mostly emotional outburst, not some methodical plan. Again, even if it was valid (and don't know completely if it was), it's a big no no to do it out in the open and I did not like that one bit.

So, with that said, I have to say that sometimes I think Inter supporters must be the dumbest supporters ever and the easiest to influence by these corrupt media people. Think about it. If somebody hates our guts, what is the worst that can happen and with what you'll fight? The possibility of Inter getting back to the top. And from the way media portrays it, it looks like the apocalypse at Inter is about to start and it makes sense. A grave most of the italian media are not our friends. They will make anything at Inter as the end of the world. Anything. You read all those lawyers, media pundits, they all don't want us at the path we're at, so they will make the most of the situation. And I don't see any difference here on the forums when I read the comments from many of the posters.

But what are the facts? The facts are that Inter are gaining on to jube. Which means what? We're starting to be bigger and bigger threat to them. Making a big media buzz, trying to make anybody do any additional mistake that would result in us starting all over again with somebody new is the best outcome they can get. Conte staying, building stronger team here is the worst that can happen.

Conte words, although emotional and said at the wrong time (imo), do convey some message and things that if improved, will help the team. Ofcourse anti-Inter people will laugh at those words (not by the fact he said anything at all) and will try to ridicule him, while the people with Inter in heart will rather focus on the line like "Why say it in public?". But very few from media or pundits commenting on it are doing the latter. Most are already focusing on who will coach Inter the next season, which is the best what jube and it's affiliates can wish for. I don't think it will happen on Marotta's watch.

So I'm not saying not talk about it and ignore it. I'm just saying to keep things into proportion (for now) and stay calm. Conte is emotional. But Marotta is not.

I think Conte behave badly, suprisingly, but I also believe it's blown completely out of proportion. I think it will end up how some expect, which is that he will still be here. Marotta would not bring him here otherwise and it would have to be a complete meltdown to make it happen, and I'm wondering what meltdown? Players are not in a war with Conte. He, although not setting the world on fire at Inter, had objectively a solid season with anticipated and expected progress from last season. Things are going in right direction, so why fire him? I think papers pro milan, roma and jube would never do this, because this is an obvious harm to those teams. But that's not the game played with Inter.

Lastly, I think we know much too little (still) to discuss it properly. We don't have response from Marotta or Zhang, we don't have a second interview with Conte (probably pre Getafe). Like some said, a few days and this case might be dead in a water already. Yet, media are doing anything they can, as is the case for decades, to damage us in the most way. Yes, we sometimes give them reasons too, but both things can be true at the same time. We can do things we shouldn't do, and media could overblow 99% of the stories with us to damage our team and I think at which I'm more angry.

I agree with most of this but:

(1) This is not media invention when Conte has complained multiple times about management. And he's done it on multiple fronts; transfers, scheduling, preparation, media management. He basically is saying they can't do a single thing right. Interestingly, when has Conte actually praised management for anything?

(2) Every manager has been subject to rumors. There's rumors of sacking Sarri and bringing in Pep or luring Zidane (where's Juve management protecting Sarri?). Rumors of sacking Pioli all season long for Ragnick (Milan management silent). Rumors about Fonseca to be sacked (where's Roma management protecting Fonseca?). Rumors about whether Lazio will move on from Inzaghi (didn't hear Tare or Lotito protect Inzaghi). And yet none of those coaches have been relentlessly attacking their own management team and media was way more in a fishing expedition. So this whole 'anti-Inter' media thing is pretty much garbage in this situation.

Any coach attacking their management like this will usually get exited. So it's not a leap for the media to suggest that'll happen here.

 

[brakbrak]

He didnt get pletny of chances, Conte may have approved the transfer a well we dont know, and yes 3 at the back is a trash formation.

This, gagliardini fucked up so much yet hes still his "first choice". But lets see if he stays and he surely has to give eriksen a chance, eriksen didn't come here to rot in our supposedly weak bench. People here like to play the "if you told me this a year ago, I would...." game. If you told me a year ago that Eriksen would come here and rot in the bench, I would laugh my ass off.

 

[K.I.]

Thats kinda my point though. To you we finished 2nd because we fucked up. To me we finished 2nd because we succeeded.

Thats fine, again my post was regarding Contes rant and the reasons why he finished second as apposed to him wanting to finish first. If u think the club succeeded ur entitled to ur opinion.

This, gagliardini fucked up so much yet hes still his "first choice". But lets see if he stays and he surely has to give eriksen a chance, eriksen didn't come here to rot in our supposedly weak bench. People here like to play the "if you told me this a year ago, I would...." game. If you told me a year ago that Eriksen would come here and rot in the bench, I would laugh my ass off.

We are prob the problem, we cant see how great Gags is.

 

[Harpsabu]

My word, I got like 3 lines through before stopping... Lol eriksen has had plenty of chances and been trash, that's not Contes fault, literally all of his other signings have integrated, the players we complained about, lukaku, young, moses, even players like Sensi, barella. He integrated them all, fuck eriksen. If eriksen can't win his spot that's his problem and marotta for going and getting him.

Also, a trash 3 at the back. Yes, the formation that gave us the best defense and second best attack, trash indeed.

He started 8 games and came off the bench in 9, he has one goal and two assists. That's trash. Conte literally changed the formation to include him and he lost his spot to borja!!! That's not Contes fault, that's eriksen being shit. He was shit for a full 18 months before joining us and he's still been shit. Can we just accept that? I'm so sick of seeing people complain about eriksen, he hasn't deserved to play consistently.

 

[brakbrak]

He started 8 games and came off the bench in 9, he has one goal and two assists. That's trash. Conte literally changed the formation to include him and he lost his spot to borja!!! That's not Contes fault, that's eriksen being shit. He was shit for a full 18 months before joining us and he's still been shit. Can we just accept that? I'm so sick of seeing people complain about eriksen, he hasn't deserved to play consistently.

And gagliardini deserves to play constantly? He has been trash for his whole carreer.

Conte IS THAT petty, dont you remember Conte vs Diego Costa fiasco?

 

[Harpsabu]

And gagliardini deserves to play constantly? He has been trash for his whole carreer.

Conte IS THAT petty, dont you remember Conte vs Diego Costa fiasco?

Two completely different scenarios and what alternative does conte have in centre midfield. But again, that's almost a part of the point, that's how bad eriksen has played. If eriksen was performing well every game then we could criticise conte, but he isnt.

 

[forzainter257]

And gagliardini deserves to play constantly? He has been trash for his whole carreer.

Conte IS THAT petty, dont you remember Conte vs Diego Costa fiasco?

Gags and Eriksen are in different poles in terms of duties on the pitch. You should ask why Borja i think

 

[Inter7]

N4L just because we got good results in some games post covid doesn't mean the extra day wasn't going to be useful. Our team was in pretty good shape luckily. To say the Management didn't think it was important so they didn't fight for it and look at our results doesn't prove anything other than how incompetent our management is. If you want to win the league you take any advantage possible if you're going to tell me having an extra day isn't an advantage when playing so many games so closer to each other then you probably have never played sports competitively.

 

[wicked wizard]

Get conte the fuck out of here tbh. I can't stand this type of boring football and the fact inter will get crushed when it matters, especially in the champions league.

 

[IRR26]

Did the gobbo di merda, employed by Inter, say that Inter had won 3 Scudetti in a row and not 4 before the Tripleta?

Notice it too.

Thats the sort of shit Inter needs to be protected from. Apparently you can say anything to the media nowadays.

 

[n4l]

N4L just because we got good results in some games post covid doesn't mean the extra day wasn't going to be useful. Our team was in pretty good shape luckily. To say the Management didn't think it was important so they didn't fight for it and look at our results doesn't prove anything other than how incompetent our management is. If you want to win the league you take any advantage possible if you're going to tell me having an extra day isn't an advantage when playing so many games so closer to each other then you probably have never played sports competitively.

There was no extra day. Every team got ~ 50 days rest; +/- 1 day. Conte saw the report about cumulative 'relative' rest days and ran with it. The problem is, it's largely crap.

- The order of who you play could not be changed.
- The only thing that could've been changed was moving a day up one or back one. That would still leave the relative rest days roughly the same, but then introduce other disadvantages, such as shorter rest time between games.

You guys should be smarter than this when it comes to manipulating data. Lay out the calendar yourself and try to move around the dates to create more equitable 'relative' rest and you'll be surprised at what it ends up doing. Also keep in mind that us, Juve and Napoli had 2 additional games because of Coppa Italia (plus our Samp game).

I had asked whether these same folks would run the relative rest days til the end of the season and across the entire table. If they did that, then the 'disadvantage' would be basically negligible. It's called cherry picking data.

 

[brakbrak]

Gags and Eriksen are in different poles in terms of duties on the pitch. You should ask why Borja i think

Well he had to push brozovic up front as amc to accommodate gag, hence the comparison.

 

[Luka]

Actually most of us expect that the management won't fire him as it holds too much financial burden and its way too close to next season;any sane person knows that

. If he walks thoughts, as he stated a few weeks ago that he has to evaluate in the end of the season, thats another story. I dont think its blown out of propotion, the only part that is blown out of propotion is finding replacement for him. Everything else is literally what he said, managers usually are more subtle when complaining about the owner or management, this guy flat out said that he feels theres no protection from the management whatsoever and said that there is no involvement from the owner (he can't even find him, but God knows maybe its covid related reason).

Most here expect management to not fire him, but only because of the money, which I think is foolish thing to believe. Money is a small part of it imo. If it was only money that kept Conte in his position, then Marotta would be even bigger idiot as sporting director as Ausilio was, which I think many knows I don't hold this belief.

As to Conte wanting or thinking of walking away. Do you really believe that? Conte is no idiot, and Marotta is no idiot either. Conte wants to build his team, Marotta wants to build the team for next 10 years (with or without Conte, hence Eriksen signing). It's all about working together, and Conte's pro of being a winner is also a con of pushing everybody to it's limits to satisfy his needs. They both try to get the most for them. The part I didn't like is doing that in the open. That helps nobody, although I would love to get private opinion/reasons of Conte of doing that if that was just not based on emotions which to me is more than likely.

Conte and Marotta (I'm guessing) had hundreds of those talks in private. Conte giving hints (mind you, that might just be a bluff, dangerous because it might cost you a job, but still a bluff) in the open about potential split is the only weapon he has. Otherwise it's shut up and do your job. But that's only if we think it was calculated, which I think knowing Conte's temperament, I think it was just heat of the moment which triggered all those hidden things (that he should keep private) to put out.

I've learned over the years that a coach usually is fired when there is no progress (expected) and there is a belief he cannot take the team further or if he lost his dressing room. De Boer, Benitez, Mazzarri are good examples of the second reason, Spal, Mancini part1 are good examples of first one. Conte (thus far) ain't either imo and I think people will find it impossible to prove otherwise.

I agree with most of this but:

(1) This is not media invention when Conte has complained multiple times about management. And he's done it on multiple fronts; transfers, scheduling, preparation, media management. He basically is saying they can't do a single thing right. Interestingly, when has Conte actually praised management for anything?

(2) Every manager has been subject to rumors. There's rumors of sacking Sarri and bringing in Pep or luring Zidane (where's Juve management protecting Sarri?). Rumors of sacking Pioli all season long for Ragnick (Milan management silent). Rumors about Fonseca to be sacked (where's Roma management protecting Fonseca?). Rumors about whether Lazio will move on from Inzaghi (didn't hear Tare or Lotito protect Inzaghi). And yet none of those coaches have been relentlessly attacking their own management team and media was way more in a fishing expedition. So this whole 'anti-Inter' media thing is pretty much garbage in this situation.

Any coach attacking their management like this will usually get exited. So it's not a leap for the media to suggest that'll happen here.

#1 it's not media invention. You're 100% right. I'm just saying they are making it 10x bigger thing that I'm taking it to be, especially taking Conte's character into account. You're right he complains about management a lot, but it's nothing new, and Marotta/Zhang would have to be bigger morons than tuttosport directors to not know that before they hired him. I don't remember when he praised management, but he is hardly a kissass. Same as Marotta btw, who did not kiss to Conte as much either. I'm not pretending that Conte is easy to work with when he is your subordinade. But there are no ideal coaches out there. Pep and Klopp have their faults too.

As to #2, you're correct about those coaches, but besides Sarri (who, taking into account that he worked under De Laurentis who is no picnic) those coaches do not have enough stature and balls to do similar thing. Sarri to me is a pussy so I don't expect him to vent it that way. If you would bring examples of coaches like Klopp, Van Gaal, Pep, you would have a point.

Not any coach. If it was Benitez or Pioli or Mazzarri, yes. But with Conte, taking his history, I think it would take more. Besides, from what I've read, few think he will be fired (due to money in it), rather than him leaving on his own (which is also not likely imo).

I still am 100% he will stay, although I need to see few more interviews to get some. I stay calm. Hakimi was not brought in to play as a right back : >.

Again. I'm agreeing with anybody that Conte did wrong here. I'm just saying to not make it out as the end of the world. But, as with balotelli when I said this guy will never succeed in this sport when he left Inter, time will tell

 

[brakbrak]

Two completely different scenarios and what alternative does conte have in centre midfield. But again, that's almost a part of the point, that's how bad eriksen has played. If eriksen was performing well every game then we could criticise conte, but he isnt.

Its hard to play good if you come in the 89th minute. Again, im gonna reserve judgement on eriksen to next season if he stays but history shows that he is a petty coach and I hope you don't deny that.

 

[forzainter257]

Well he had to push brozovic up front as amc to accommodate gag, hence the comparison.

Conte said he deployed Barella a little up front. And a defensive midfielder was a must against Atalanta, that's why Gags played.

 

[brakbrak]

Luka, regarding Conte walking away he said it himself that he will reevaluate so we shall see after the EL campaign.

 

[n4l]

Luka, regarding Conte walking away he said it himself that he will reevaluate so we shall see after the EL campaign.

And he said that unprovoked by the media also....another spontaneous rant

 

[brakbrak]

And he said that unprovoked by the media also....another spontaneous rant

Ya its funny actually, its not like the media cornered him into saying those things. Its like you are playing with fire but you get pissed for catching a fire.

 

[Harpsabu]

Its hard to play good if you come in the 89th minute. Again, im gonna reserve judgement on eriksen to next season if he stays but history shows that he is a petty coach and I hope you don't deny that.

That's why I pointed out he had 8 starts.
I don't deny it at all and was excited by his arrival. But show me someone who hasn't been disappointed with almost all aspects of his game. That's why I'm so annoyed about constantly criticising conte for him being poor rather than him himself. Also, it's a fact he had been shit for at least a year before we signed him according to spurs fans.

 

[brakbrak]

That's why I pointed out he had 8 starts.
I don't deny it at all and was excited by his arrival. But show me someone who hasn't been disappointed with almost all aspects of his game. That's why I'm so annoyed about constantly criticising conte for him being poor rather than him himself. Also, it's a fact he had been shit for at least a year before we signed him according to spurs fans.

Dwight, you are better than that. Trusting fans as judgement? You know fans have conflicting opinions right? I dont follow Tottenham at all so I can't vouch but looking at stats he had 8 goals and 12 assists in epl and 2 goals and 4 assists in cl for 2018/2019 season. I know stats isnt a good indicator of how a player is playing, i think Guarini has taught us that but I sure as hell find it more reliable than some bitter fans.