Andrea Ranocchia

[I4E]

i scrolled up too far and skipped a couple posts. my apology.

But you said this "If they failed under someone like mourinho then you could write them off.

which is an absurd statement

 

[.h.]

Fair enough.

Write them off as top claes cbs? Yes. I personally dont think anyone organizee a defnse better thsn mourinho. Thats not to say soecificwlly mourinho is the golden yardstick of defense, but if you fail under one or a few top coaches you arent going to make it. If you fail under a tactical buffoon who hasnt got the players or formation needed, then it isnt necessarily on your head.

Juan and ranocchia have at various times shown the class to be world beaters. Clearly shown it too. They just need the support in midfield and better taftical lectures/instructions/etc to actually show it more consistently.

 

[Jane The Virgin]

Why everything on FIF has to be black or white?

If someone is criticizing Rano, he is automatically labeled "rano hater", even if the criticism is valid.

If someone praises Rano, he is labeled as "delusional" or "how in hell can he praise Rano when clearly Rano is not the best CB in the world??? OMG WTF BBQ"

Both Pajo and N4L have some valid points. But neither is 100% right and the other 100% wrong. Also take into consideration that this whole season has been shit, a nightmare to all of us fans, and no player has been shining (apart from Kova, that dude is something else).

We have changed formations and ideas of how we play so many times this season, its basically the same as if we were changing coaches.

We started with one formation, than moved to 3 men defense, than again we changed, and again went to 3 men defense, and in the course of all this rollercoaster we've changed the core of how we play - basically like we have changed 3/4 coaches.

 

[Pajo]

It's valid critics, sure. I agree he has been shit in the past 2 months or so.

But saying he is not great player, or like some, "he should not wear our jersey again" is bull shit. Not giving him credit for the first part of the season and saying that it's the system that worked, is also bull shit.

 

[Joss]

Its not that the arguments are extremely one sided; Only one is.

The first argument is based on an assumption that a team with defensive set up does not expose its defenders as much as a team that plays with a high line and high ball possession.

But this argument is very faulty and I am surprised no one has laughed at the logic that was being purported. That starting point alone makes the argument faulty and its wrong to even attempt and argue but the obvious shortcoming of it I will gladly point out.

One can easily refute that a team with a high line and high ball possession subjects its defenders less to attacking threats, whereas a team with a defensive set up exhausts its defenders who have to constantly be on guard.

I’m not even going to try to argue that ^^^ as it sidesteps the obvious issue prevalent at inter which is lack of organization. If a team is organized then it will aid its defenders from being overexposed.

When I think about great defenders who were overexposed, I remember Walter Samuel at Real Madrid. Who never was fast or quick but is a real defender nonetheless. But I guess some people prefer David Luiz type of defenders.

I’m not going to judge Ranocchia but if he was playing at Juve then I personally think he would make Bonucci redundant.

 

[n4l]

Haha....live in lala land all you want. As I said, whatever makes you guys sleep at night, do it. Don't know how it changes reality.

Rano is not a great player. He's a 25yr old who has talent and he's improved over his last season. But he's still not anywhere near great and still not showed any type of consistency.

I didn't realize playing well for 7-9 games is some kinda milestone that warrants acknowledgement. I didn't realize that defending well when you have 7-8 players in the defensive third makes you a "great" defender. Just like ya'll thought our defense was "fixed" and "great" when we stacked the defensive third, is the same shit ya'll are thinking now. Obviously, as time has progressed, you've learned that stacking the box and Handa making great saves didn't mean the defense was fixed. Similarly, a competent defender defending with 7 other players in the defensive third doesn't make them great either.

Rano isn't shit. He's good. But the overrating on this forum is ridiculous. He needs to show versatility and consistency which he has not shown yet (at the end of this season, 2.5 seasons with us). He has to show he can defend properly in any circumstance (counter/possession/pressing style whatever) and to do so consistently. Until he has done that, he is going to remain just a good defender to me. Until he has DONE IT, it is only going to remain as "potential" or he "could possibly do it".

Like I said, believe whatever ya'll believe if it makes you feel better and sleep better at night.

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I’m not going to judge Ranocchia but if he was playing at Juve then I personally think he would make Bonucci redundant.

Just like how Lucio went over to make Bonucci redundant, except Bonucci stepped his game up and made Lucio redundant? The same Lucio that was BENCHING RANO at Inter less than 6 months prior?



All I am hearing here is suppositions. **IF** Rano was in a good system. **IF** Rano this and Rano that.

 

[Pajo]

And i'd say again, is it this forum, or the world? He was labeled as the best Defender in Serie A and one of the best in Europe by the whole media, every site, every newspaper was claiming that.

I bet they are all pro-inter and are overrating him. Or were overrating him.

 

[n4l]

Yes Pajo...the whole media and every site

All of you can bask in your "rano the great" mantra....can't be bothered anymore tbh.

 

[Big Willy]

Saying he's a bad player it's going too far imo.

I personally don't like him (not because of this match) of his clumsiness. He acts like a dumb in the pitch sometimes (no concentration, losing position stupidly) but I gotta accept that I saw his potential under STRAMACCIONI and a mediocre midfield. I think he won't turn into a world beater, but surely he will very useful for the team with better players alongside him and a good coach, but, when you're GOOD, or "potential world beater" , you must stand out even alongside a shitty partner and midfield, which hasn't happened here, as far as I can remember.

 

[I4E]

Rano is better than 'good'. your just under-rating him N4L.

 

[Pajo]

"I don't like him" says everything tbh

In the forum and interistas in general, when don't like someone will keep it silent when that player plays good, will bash him to death when he plays bad. And if they like a player, they will keep it silent or blindly defend the guy if he plays bad, and make him world class if he plays good.

Im in the middle, i like all of our players and praise/bash them when they deserve!

 

[I4E]

Saying he's a bad player it's going too far imo.

I personally don't like him (not because of this match) of his clumsiness. He acts like a dumb in the pitch sometimes (no concentration, losing position stupidly) but I gotta accept that I saw his potential under STRAMACCIONI and a mediocre midfield. I think he won't turn into a world beater, but surely he will very useful for the team with better players alongside him and a good coach, but, when you're GOOD, or "potential world beater" , you must stand out even alongside a shitty partner and midfield, which hasn't happened here, as far as I can remember.

C'mon Willy... like how the 'world class' Sneijder stood out in the last season and a half ?

edit: We'd peg back Thiago Silva quite a fair bit tbh

 

[Big Willy]

"I don't like him" says everything tbh

In the forum and interistas in general, when don't like someone will keep it silent when that player plays good, will bash him to death when he plays bad. And if they like a player, they will keep it silent or blindly defend the guy if he plays bad, and make him world class if he plays good.

Im in the middle, i like all of our players and praise/bash them when they deserve!

It happens in this forums, with the interistas, with madridistas, with milanistas, in Turin, in Colombia, in Argentina, in Brazil, in Germany, in Bayern forums... Everywhere.

And that I don't like him doesn't says I can change my opinion later or accept when he's doing good (I've did that several times)

 

[Pajo]

Well i don't like that standard. I don't like some players but praise then is right, or bash some i really like, like Guaro. But that's just me, i tend not to have double standard.

 

[Big Willy]

C'mon Willy... like how the 'world class' Sneijder stood out in the last season and a half ?

edit: We'd peg back Thiago Silva quite a fair bit tbh

Man, don't want to enter in a discussion right now, but Sneijder won a lot of things before to be considered world class. He's clearly far from that standards right now, but at his moment he was incredible.

I hope Ranocchia shuts my mouth and turns into the best CB in the world, for the sake of Inter, who doesn't won't want that? Who wants to watch him fail just to show how right they were are not interistas or are just plain egocentric, I don't know... But I personally doubt Ranocchia turns into that.

 

[I4E]

Man, don't want to enter in a discussion right now, but Sneijder won a lot of things before to be considered world class. He's clearly far from that standards right now, but at his moment he was incredible.

I hope Ranocchia shuts my mouth and turns into the best CB in the world, for the sake of Inter, who doesn't won't want that? Who wants to watch him fail just to show how right they were are not interistas or are just plain egocentric, I don't know... But I personally doubt Ranocchia turns into that.

He has has been sold short here Wilson. He has shown great ability on numerous occasions. It seems that the negative aspects of our game shows him up to some in a way that is not a true reflection of what he can do or achieve.

Consistency in his game cannot solely be dictated by him. He's not always gonna beat his man. There is no defender that is unbeatable or immune to mistakes.

 

[Jane The Virgin]

In the forum and interistas in general, when don't like someone will keep it silent when that player plays good, will bash him to death when he plays bad.

Not true. I hate Nagatomo even when he is injured

 

[Doffy]

Well i don't like that standard. I don't like some players but praise then is right, or bash some i really like, like Guaro. But that's just me, i tend not to have double standard.

double standard? like with nagatomo and santon? or gargano and fernando? llol. pajo please, you are probably the most biased poster here especially if it involves inter players.

about rano, n4l hit the nail a couple times on the head, but then again we havent seen him yet with decent cover from a proper cdm or under a proper coach so it can go either way.

 

[Pajo]

Is that a double standard? How do you define it? Judging quality and comparing is something totally different, i was talking about bashing/praising your own players.. I bash/praise ALL of them, when they deserve. Most of you - don't.

Besides Fernando > Gargano, but not by that big margin as you make, and Naga > Santon which is not even close. I suggest you to watch Santon more often if you think that he is better than Naga.

 

[Me2]

Dude are you serious with this Nagatomo - Santon comparation?