Alessandro Bastoni

[Fitzy]

The Verona player pushed Bastoni out of the way on the corner with his hands (illegal), then Bastoni gave him the shoulder (illegal). All off the ball. Happy that the ref allowed the game to play on.

If they referee like this more often, it may lead to players diving less often.

 

[qb4ever_2k]

The ref was consistent, he didn't call the foul on Arnautovic and he didn't call the foul on the defender. Football is a contact sport.

The defender clearly wasnt hurt, it's his choice to roll on the ground while the other team was attacking. Play stupid game win stupid prize. Same as Theo Hernandez and same as Dimarco when he gave away the ball that Scamacca scored.

 

[Irequis]

You can defend Inter while being objective. Bastoni elbowed the Verona player. He looked at the latter and moved his elbow. I won't bother to dissect it frame per frame to prove if it is elbow or shoulder, but either way you cannot do it in a football match especially where the ball is nowhere close. It was a foul and we got away with it.

We were extremely lucky that the referees neglected it, but Bastoni was leaking in defence. He was beaten by his man at the early minutes, again we were fortunate Sommer made a crucial stop. And the Verona goal was also because he couldn't stop the cross coming from his man. This was not the first time happened. For all the hype of him being a unicorn and a complete defender, I would like to see him solidify his defence first because he primarily is a defender.

 

[brehme1989]

You can argue that Bastoni shoved the guy, but he didn't "elbow" him. If anything, his shoulder was the point of contact.

 

[CafeCordoba]

You can argue that Bastoni shoved the guy, but he didn't "elbow" him. If anything, his shoulder was the point of contact.

This is basically the gist of it all. He just shoved the guy out for leaning on him. Fabbri probably reckon it's a continuum of the battle in the corner and let it play out. Duda made it MUCH bigger by blatantly melting to the ground after the contact. If he took the contact like normal player, nothing would have happened.

If players acted like that everytime someone is pushing and shoving you on the pitch AND ref would call those as fouls, football wouldn't be watchable at all. There are already too many unnecessary whistles in Serie A on some contacts which are just contacts, not particularly fouls. But players diving make them look like fouls.

 

[Alex de Large]

And the Oscar goes to.... [random Verona player]

 

[drekaforzainter]

Bastoni should have act more mature, it was not needed and we are lucky the goal was allowed to stand. I also think arna was fouled in the build up to veronas goal but that was a needed foul from verona. Bastoni is no longer a teenager he should be able to control his emotion on the pitch and stay far away from stupid/uneeded fouls

 

[NimAraya]

Let's see an elbow as something else. That would ends all the controversies.

 

[Fitzy]

The hysteria over this incident is absolutely moronic.

 

[CafeCordoba]

Specially considering what for example Gatti did in Salernitana-Juve match and I haven't seen anything about that, apart from Salernitana director complaining about that and some other play after the match. Gatti already got away with one red, against Verona btw, earlier in the season. Yesterday should have been a second red already.

 

[Strale]

Specially considering what for example Gatti did in Salernitana-Juve match and I haven't seen anything about that, apart from Salernitana director complaining about that and some other play after the match. Gatti already got away with one red, against Verona btw, earlier in the season. Yesterday should have been a second red already.

That guy behaves like a bully. Incredible what defenders can get away with. And then we are complaining when strikers fall to easily. It's exactly because 'tough' defenders are celebrated and instructed from early on how to beat the shit out of opponents and get away with it.

Football players I know brag about it, about what they'll do to a striker. That's why a Suarez or a Neymar were never as annoying to me as one would expect. Also why I never really loved Matrix. They need to protect themselves, because no one else will.

 

[wera]

Defenders do a lot of dirty things. Even our defenders. We need to accept that as a part of the game, they teach it at a U17 level

 

[Gal]

Bastoni is an angel compared to the lads we had in the past, seriously is the sport getting NBA soft, it’s a contacts sport or rather whatever is left of that.

Sometimes I really miss the 90’s

 

[brehme1989]

Bastoni is an angel compared to the lads we had in the past, seriously is the sport getting NBA soft, it’s a contacts sport or rather whatever is left of that.

Sometimes I really miss the 90’s

And the 90s was considered sissy ball compared to the 70s to mid 80s

 

[Gal]

And the 90s was considered sissy ball compared to the 70s to mid 80s

I wander what they make out of today

 

[brehme1989]

I wander what they make out of today

It is much softer now but there is a higher degree of professionalism and everyone gets it.

In the 90s still the overwhelming majority of football players at top tier in Europe and the Americas weren't professionals.

Now it's rare to find a top tier league which isn't made up of pros, although the new outliers of Gibraltar, Faroe, San Marino etc mean that this will always exist to some degree.
But you won't find amateurs at top divisions of Serbia, Belgium, Greece or Poland like you did in 1995.

 

[Gal]

It is much softer now but there is a higher degree of professionalism and everyone gets it.

In the 90s still the overwhelming majority of football players at top tier in Europe and the Americas weren't professionals.

Now it's rare to find a top tier league which isn't made up of pros, although the new outliers of Gibraltar, Faroe, San Marino etc mean that this will always exist to some degree.
But you won't find amateurs at top divisions of Serbia, Belgium, Greece or Poland like you did in 1995.

That was mainly in the smaller leagues and was a consequence of improving economy and growing interest in the sports after the fall of USSR. Yes fully professional football as we know it as a global phenomenon was largely something seeing the light in the late 1980’s to around the mid 1990s, but the major leagues had already turned pro well before that. The change to CL was largely a consequence of the growing professionalism in football and improved economy.

Also many was especially outside the east block semi professional not actually amateurs.

But there no denying increased professionalism leads to sports turning a bit soft, we seen that across the field.

 

[brehme1989]

That was mainly in the smaller leagues and was a consequence of improving economy and growing interest in the sports after the fall of USSR. Yes fully professional football as we know it as a global phenomenon was largely something seeing the light in the late 1980’s to around the mid 1990s, but the major leagues had already turned pro well before that. The change to CL was largely a consequence of the growing professionalism in football and improved economy.

Also many was especially outside the east block semi professional not actually amateurs.

But there no denying increased professionalism leads to sports turning a bit soft, we seen that across the field.

There was professionalism and the teams were such, but some players were semi pros still.
Not the top team guys of course. But newly promoted teams and some midtable even had them all over Europe and also in the top leagues of the Americas. Just maybe not so at the few very top leagues.

 

[Gal]

There was professionalism and the teams were such, but some players were semi pros still.
Not the top team guys of course. But newly promoted teams and some midtable even had them all over Europe and also in the top leagues of the Americas. Just maybe not so at the few very top leagues.

It’s still not uncommon to see semi pro or even amateur teams get promoted to the pro league in the smaller leagues, in fact most cases the division under are generally amateur or semi professional divisions or a mixture, so many start their new adventures as such and aren’t often actually fully pro as they need time to transition into one, in that not much has changed since the 90s.

 

[brehme1989]

It’s still not uncommon to see semi pro or even amateur teams get promoted to the pro league in the smaller leagues, in fact most cases the division under are generally amateur or semi professional divisions or a mixture, so many start their new adventures as such and aren’t often actually fully pro as they need time to transition into one, in that not much has changed since the 90s.

Not so common in Europe.

Only in countries where football isn't that big like the Baltics or something like that, or tiny nations like Malta, Iceland and Luxembourg.

You won't see that in Switzerland, Sweden or even Cyprus these days.

The odd ones out are Wales and Northern Ireland I guess, where most talent that will turn pro don't play domestically but they move to England or Scotland early on.