2023/2024 Midfielders Rumours Thread

[.h.]

its fucking crazy how science doesnt give you any physical development whatsoever between 15 and 35. just insane.

 

[CafeCordoba]

we'll see what happens but lmfao if asllani leaves for all the people who were like WE GUARANTEE HE GETS MORE MINUTES THIS SEASON

its just maths, my dudes. We have 3*38*90 minutes total available to our central midfielders. If Asllani gets more minutes, someone else gets less. Considering Broz was out half of last season (thus forcing rotation), its very unlikely Asllani gets more this.

If Asllani stayed/stays, he will play more. I don't get what your point is. The minutes Brozovic played, someone else needs to play these minutes. Calhanoglu cannot play his last season's regista minutes + Brozovic minutes.

 

[.h.]

If Asllani stayed/stays, he will play more. I don't get what your point is. The minutes Brozovic played, someone else needs to play these minutes. Calhanoglu cannot play his last season's regista minutes + Brozovic minutes.

frattesi...

we have 4 first team level midfielders already, and potentially more depending on how today goes - last year it was more like 3.5 because of broz's injury. Its simple maths that Asllani isnt going to get a revolutionary amount of more minutes this season.

 

[CafeCordoba]

In general, this young player development narrative is just strange to me. That isn't Inter. Inter is NOT a place for young players to develop. They need to be good enough to stay here. Period.

 

[CafeCordoba]

frattesi...

Frattesi won't play those regista minutes.

 

[varmin]

Did you watch that boy Yamal playing for Barca against Villarreal? 15 years old..Age doesnt matter, one match is enough to show you are you good or not. Asllani get enough chances last season, he played also preseason. Why would any sane coach want to get rid of player if he is soo good? It doesnt make any sense.

We've seen many young players to break through early only to disappear few years later. Asnu Fati also looked amazing but now he is going on loan at Brighton.
Those comparisons are really useless as every player is different.

 

[Gal]

In general, this young player development narrative is just strange to me. That isn't Inter. Inter is NOT a place for young players to develop. They need to be good enough to stay here. Period.

I would really love if we could afford that, but as long as we need to fond our market by selling players. I really don’t see there is that much of a choice then get players cheap, develop them and sell them with a fat profit.

We can’t unfortunately run our market as it stand with a deficit

That I why I want new owner, new stadium etc. so we can get out of this headache.

 

[.h.]

I would really love if we could afford that, but as long as we need to fond our market by selling players. I really don’t see there is that much of a choice then get players cheap, develop them and sell them with a fat profit.

We can’t unfortunately run our market as it stand with a deficit

That I why I want new owner, new stadium etc. so we can get out of this headache.

conceptually, you're right. Functionally, I cant see a new owner changing things too radically. On top of purchase price, you'd be looking at like 1-1.5billion euro investment to give us a new stadium and clear the bonds. And then you still have to fund this club for 100m a year extra until it gets sustainable.

The other thing of course is clearing the debts and building a new stadia is also a poor return on investment. Clearing debts will give approx a 10 year pay off time. The stadia could easily be 20 year pay off time. Neither of those are compeling, imho, in a 5% base rate era. And you can basically guarantee the stadia will be ebt financed.

 

[Damageplan]

Asllani doesnt need more minutes, he needs to play regularly. Something he definitely will not find with us.

 

[.h.]

Agree 100%. If he's not likely to play 2000 minutes with us next season, then he should be developing somewhere.

There's (roughly) a total of 10260 minutes available across our 3 CM slots, Barella and Hakan played a combined 2374+2623 of them last season, for 4997 minutes. That leaves 5263 minutes to be spread across Mkhi, Frattesi, and whoever else we have in midfield. If we accept that Mkhi plays less than last season (2000), then you can effectively squeeze in another player at Barella's level of minutes (Frattesi) then you have very little leftover spare for Sensi, Asllani, and whoever else we sign

 

[Wobblz]

Development of players aren’t surely down to the individual, the idea you buy into is exactly why we hardly produced one single player for our first team… it’s not because the talent has not been there. We had several promising talent we just lacked the setup and willingness to get something out of them…

Dimarco has been about it and he probably doesn’t even make top 10 of the biggest talent we had through the past 15 years.

For me this isn’t really about Asllani as such but more what Asllani represents.

I'm veery interested to hear those top 10 home grown talents that are better than Dimarco.

 

[bubba zanetti]

We've seen many young players to break through early only to disappear few years later. Asnu Fati also looked amazing but now he is going on loan at Brighton.
Those comparisons are really useless as every player is different.

Ansu Fati stayed in Barca when he performed well. When he stopped performing he was out. Its so simple. You ll get your chances and you make it or break it. All I am saying that Asllani didnt make the most of chances he was given ti him. This is normal in clubs like Inter. Best for him is to go to some minor club where he can play regulary and we will se what happens next. This is his second season and he is right now 6th choice. And he wouldnt be there if he is the real deal. Yea he is still young, but 6th choice? Even damaged good like Sensi is ahead of him. Why would Limone do that if Asllani is really good? Second season Tonali was already a beast, Asllani is nowhere near that level right now.

 

[Wobblz]

We should've left Asllani at Empoli for another season, after buying him... Oh well.

 

[.h.]

We should've left Asllani at Empoli for another season, after buying him... Oh well.

yep. sad thing is it was obvious at the time too.

 

[Stefan]

I don't want other type of midfielder, especially after the rumors that we are looking for more physical one, aka another Gagliardini. Our midfielders should be technical enough to receive the ball, keep possession and pass it accurately. I don't want another headless chicken, which is running around aimlessly, but it is strong and tall, and the coach prefers it due to that.

Physical midfielder needs to be able to play. Mancini's scudetto winning inter mid was very physical but there's a world of difference between Viera and gags.

 

[Gal]

conceptually, you're right. Functionally, I cant see a new owner changing things too radically. On top of purchase price, you'd be looking at like 1-1.5billion euro investment to give us a new stadium and clear the bonds. And then you still have to fund this club for 100m a year extra until it gets sustainable.

The other thing of course is clearing the debts and building a new stadia is also a poor return on investment. Clearing debts will give approx a 10 year pay off time. The stadia could easily be 20 year pay off time. Neither of those are compeling, imho, in a 5% base rate era. And you can basically guarantee the stadia will be ebt financed.

It won’t be drastically it will be gradually over a longer period. stadium projects are long term investment plan, but at same time it’s just as much in regard to the whole FFP, where investments in infrastructure isn’t really included in the accounting. Those it can help out with higher turnover this will help our ffp books, as higher turnover means more room for payroll and transfer spending.

One of our main issues in regards to FFP are in fact limited turnover.

 

[.h.]

It won’t be drastically it will be gradually over a longer period. stadium projects are long term investment plan, but at same time it’s just as much in regard to the whole FFP, where investments in infrastructure isn’t really included in the accounting. Those it can help out with higher turnover this will help our ffp books, as higher turnover means more room for payroll and transfer spending.

One of our main issues in regards to FFP are in fact limited turnover.

I'm a bit less fussed about FFP in the context of a new ownership, my point is more specific to the fact that we're now expecting any new owner to outlay maybe 2, 2.5billion euros gross to get the club even close to 'remotely healthy'.

For 2.5 billion euros you can buy a mid table premiership side and invest 2 billion in the squad (like Newcastle). And in that case, you can make hundreds of millions in additional revenue (CL revenue, increased domestic sponsorship, etc).

The numbers, imho, dont stack up unless Zhang/Oaktree sell Inter at a significant discount to book value.

As i've said a few times, this is why - as far as I can remember - no CL qualified Italian club has been purchased in, what, at least a decade if not more? I legit cant think of the last time a club which was already participating in the CL, from Italy, was bought. Milan, Inter, Roma, etc, were all transacted in a banter era with no CL football. Transactions are typically for non-CL clubs. Once you're in the CL, there's no easy new revenue to make, you gotta build a stadium or get more sponsors.

 

[Corrode]

We should've left Asllani at Empoli for another season, after buying him... Oh well.

Last season, inter mercato for midfield sector was limited because of Lukaku signing and lack of money available.

 

[CafeCordoba]

Agree 100%. If he's not likely to play 2000 minutes with us next season, then he should be developing somewhere.

There's (roughly) a total of 10260 minutes available across our 3 CM slots, Barella and Hakan played a combined 2374+2623 of them last season, for 4997 minutes. That leaves 5263 minutes to be spread across Mkhi, Frattesi, and whoever else we have in midfield. If we accept that Mkhi plays less than last season (2000), then you can effectively squeeze in another player at Barella's level of minutes (Frattesi) then you have very little leftover spare for Sensi, Asllani, and whoever else we sign

You fail to point out that we don't have just 3 CM slots, we have 2 mezzala slots and one regista slot. Are you gonna put Barella to play regista? Last time he did that we lost to Sassuolo 2-0 at home AFAIR. Calhanoglu cannot play all minutes. None of our midfielders are registas except Calhanoglu and Asslani.

And THAT'S why Inzaghi wants to change Asllani to someone else. If this is the midfield group we gonna go in this season, Asllani will play more than last season.

 

[varmin]

Ansu Fati stayed in Barca when he performed well. When he stopped performing he was out. Its so simple.

No. It's not so simple. Young players have to be developed. Not to throw them in the deep, and in the moment when they stop delivering to dispose them into the garbage.

You ll get your chances and you make it or break it. All I am saying that Asllani didnt make the most of chances he was given ti him. This is normal in clubs like Inter.

What chances man? He had 120min against Parma for the Coppa, where he had 2 key passes, which led to our 2 goals, 90min against Bayern in a meaningless match, and full game against Napoli (3-1 loss), where we were man down, and he wasn't good really. Almost all of his other appearances were for 5-15min. What he shall prove for that time?
Remember someone Dimarco, who stayed at the club only because we didn't have enough money to replace him. And he was used as a LCB at the beginning, and he also was mediocre in many games, but as we didn't have depth, Inzaghi was forced to use him. Now he is one of the best LWB in the league.
Asllani could turned to a decent mid or couldn't, but saying that he didn't use his chances, which were ridiculous low, it's not serious. I guess Coutinho also didn't use his chances at Inter, so he was a trash player too.

Best for him is to go to some minor club where he can play regulary and we will se what happens next.

That is what I'm also keen on.

This is his second season and he is right now 6th choice. And he wouldnt be there if he is the real deal. Yea he is still young, but 6th choice? Even damaged good like Sensi is ahead of him. Why would Limone do that if Asllani is really good? Second season Tonali was already a beast, Asllani is nowhere near that level right now.

You just compare different things. Milan policy is to play young promising players in order to sell them. Inzaghi's policy is to play old and experienced players, because he is that type of person. Even if you give him 19 years old Messi, Arnautivic and Dzeko still will be ahead of him in the pecking order for Inzaghi.
Asllani was and he will be always 6th choice for the coach, unless Inzaghi is forced to use him due to a lack of more experienced and older options.