2015 FIFA U-20 World Cup New Zealand

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watched the colombia senegal game but i tuned out at the 80th minute because it was so boring. at this level so many players are mediocre and the teams are tactically clueless.

the game was really boring and it was tied 1-1 when i left, but from this match, out of colombia's players i liked no.19, gutierrez. he showed a lot of technique and dribbling in the midfield. no.9, rodriguez, was the most active in the attack but he used his physicality a lot which is a massive advantage at the u20 level.

i recognized the name of one of their midfielders, alexis zapata, as the guy at udinese who di natale tipped to be their new big thing, but from this match i wasnt particularly impressed. a lot of their other players were completely invisible. no one really stood out for me in this colombian team.
 
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yup man its the coach

Zapata is good but Barrera Pibes nephew is much much better and faster. Borre was the best striker in the colombian league this season but you barely see him on this team. The team plays so bad and most the guys are played out of position. Its like dude you can call any one !!! Why are you calling a RB and putting him at DM. Its very annoying.

Colombia needs to beat the 3rd place COncacaf team in August to get to the Olympics I think everyone in colombia is praying that this asshole isn't our olympic team coach.

But like I said before this is by far our weakest U20 in a long long time. I was shocked we qualified and that we were 2nd(should have been 1st.... ref F'd us against Argentina) but the level in SA is really really bad
 

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yup man its the coach

Zapata is good but Barrera Pibes nephew is much much better and faster. Borre was the best striker in the colombian league this season but you barely see him on this team. The team plays so bad and most the guys are played out of position. Its like dude you can call any one !!! Why are you calling a RB and putting him at DM. Its very annoying.

Colombia needs to beat the 3rd place COncacaf team in August to get to the Olympics I think everyone in colombia is praying that this asshole isn't our olympic team coach.

But like I said before this is by far our weakest U20 in a long long time. I was shocked we qualified and that we were 2nd(should have been 1st.... ref F'd us against Argentina) but the level in SA is really really bad

i agree, all the south american teams have been disappointing and the managers of colombia, brazil, argentina should be sacked ASAP. national team coaches at this level can make a big difference in youth development. pekerman's time as coach of argentina u20 is the best example of how important good coaches at this level can be.

i noticed santos borre in the game vs senegal but he barely touched the ball. he was played as a rw, which im not sure is his natural position if he plays as a striker with his club.

overall in all the games ive seen in this tournament, no one has really stood out.
 

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Haha Borre is the next Falcao if he keeps developing like he has. He is a #9.

I haven't seen any of the games yet as they are too early in the morning and our coach plays anti football. I agree tho coaching in this level is huge. Once Argentina lost Pekerman their youth system turned to shit. He said he never wanted to leave and take the SNT. Once he got fired they wouldn't give him the youth team job back. Wish he would take control of Colombias youth system.

Colombia youth system turned to shit since we promoted Rueda from U20 coach to SNT coach in 04/05. How we didn't win the U20 WC in Colombia with fucking James, Muriel, Murillo(Inter now:)),Arias, Bonilla, Franco who are in our Copa America squad blows my Fing mind. We won international cups with that team against teams using u23s!!!! Got knocked out by Fing Mexico!!!

Then last U20 got knocked out by Fing South Korea!!!! Yet they don't fire this asshole!
 

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African teams always do so well at the youth world cups. How come we always see Nigeria and Ghana but never Ivory Coast in the youth tournaments?

Well first let us take a look on the population numbers for some of the African nations:

1. Nigeria - 184M
2. Ethiopia - 90M
3. Egypt - 89M
4. DR Congo - 71M
5. South Africa - 55M
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11. Morocco - 34M
12. Ghana - 28M
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15. Ivory Coast - 23M
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17. Cameroon - 22M
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22. Zambia - 16M
23. Senegal - 14M
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28. Tunisia - 11M

Combine the populations of South Africa, Morocco, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Cameroon, Zambia, Senegal and Tunisia and you will have a population around the size of Nigeria. This does of course mean a lot when we talk about the amount of talent in Nigeria.

And remember some of the football players on the different francophile national teams have represented the different French youth teams in the past which can be an explanation to why for example the Ivory Coast doesn't have great youth teams. The same can't be said about Ghana and especially Nigeria as they don't have the same degree of connection to Europe/France.
 

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Argentina is out!! Wow!!

Any one know if euro clubs just didn't let them bring players? Porto and Real Madrid said No to Colombia when we asked to bring players :(
 

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I remember us not letting Kovacic go to the last one.
 

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I remember us not letting Kovacic go to the last one.

Kova makes sense

Real and Porto not letting us bring kids from their youth teams that have 0 shot at the main squad whom
Season is over is bullshit

River didn't let us bring Balanta last time but he was a starter at that point I think so that makes sense.

Still super shocked tho about Argentina. Heads are def going to roll over there for this. Not like their group was super crazy.

German is owning teams and are def the favorites to win this year
 

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isnt there a chance argentina can still qualify as one of the top 4 third place teams in the groups?

i watched the argentina austria game where they got eliminated. i think they have a lot of technical ability in their squad despite their poor results. angel correa is an amazing dribbler and probably one of if not the most talented players in this tournament. i didnt notice him in the game vs ghana. however, often he holds the ball for too long and he plays with his head down so he dribbles blindly into walls. that is why he is dispossessed a lot. he also has enough vision as a playmaker. giovanni simeone was absolutely terrible. one of argentina's players shot the ball and the goal was open but simeone deflected it away :lol: then he missed an open goal in the extra time of the first half. i have some respect for his tenacity and hard work. constantly running from the first to the 90th minute.

austria played with 11 men in their half and to be fair they defended quite well. because argentina have so much technical ability they have the ball for long periods of time, so they play with a really high line. that makes them susceptible to counter attacks and their most conservative cb, mammana, is not fast. the austrian gk, casali, also played a really good game. no.4, tripichio, had a few nice touches though im not entirely sure those touches came from him. cubas wasnt terrible either in the midfield and moved the ball well, also showed some vision. tomas martinez has a lot of technique but i havent seen enough end product from him. argentina should have enough raw talent in the team to have done better especially compared to the many talentless players and mediocre squads in this tournament. the fault lies squarely on humberto grondona and the AFA. though as i said i havent seen anyone blow my mind away or is clearly a class above everyone else in this tournament.

re whether or not euro teams didnt let them call up players, im pretty sure this is the same squad they had at the south america u20 championships so i dont think they planned to call up anyone else. also, i havent seen much of germany other than their game vs fiji where they steamrolled them, but im definitely going to try to catch their next game.

im pretty sure colombia portugal will be on in a few hours which could also be worth watching.
 
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yeah, sadly this very talented argentina team was screwed over by coaching. Ángel Correa, Tomás Martínez, Emanuel Mammana, Leandro Vega, Driussi who couldn't make it, Gio Simeone who has been dissapointing from what ive read but still a decent prospect, etc
 

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i still cant get over the fact the late grondona's son is the u20 team's coach. thats beyond corrupt.
 

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Grondona... died before he could pay for his actions. I guess this is his parting gift.
 

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also, re argentina's talented players, batalla has also looked good. apparently he has been signed by real madrid. dont think that is a wise career move at all.
 
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also, re argentina's talented players, batalla has also looked good. apparently he has been signed by real madrid. dont think that is a wise career move at all.

haha not to shit on that kid Batalla but I mean he is decent but they spend 5 million euro on him and he wasn't even the best GK in the qualifiers. Teams pay crazy amounts just because a kid plays on the Argie or Brazilian U20s. Its like they aren't any better then the other shit kids on the other shit teams in this cup.

Portugal just scored on Colombia in under 1 fing minute. None of the portugese players will probably play a decent or a big team. People keep asking me about Lucami I said he sucks but still prob going to a big team because he has a agent hyping the shit out of him

Haha USA going to pound some Colombian ass next week haha. This team is so bad and plays like a headless chicken. Borre finally gets a half decent pass and scores. Start Barerra you Cunt!!!
 
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new zealand, mali, senegal, and hungary qualified for the knockout stages by being the four best third place teams in the groups. im watching serbia - hungary right now.
 

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new zealand, mali, senegal, and hungary qualified for the knockout stages by being the four best third place teams in the groups. im watching serbia - hungary right now.

Then let me introduce you the hungarian 'mental illness', our national team players tend to collapse in the last couple of minutes in heads. You just got a taste of that: received goals in the 93th and 119th minutes, the second one was an own goal, and oh, I almost forgot to mention we played the last 30 minutes with 11 players against 10. :palm:

Anyway Serbia played better and deserved going through.
 

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Buh bye Colombia. What a save on the penalty to preserve the 1-0 win.
 

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Buh bye Colombia. What a save on the penalty to preserve the 1-0 win.

That coach needs to be fired. He turned all these kids that many start for their clubs into utter shit. Borre doesn't stop scoring for Cali but no one passed to him. No excuse for doing as bad as they did in all 4 games.
 

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Then let me introduce you the hungarian 'mental illness', our national team players tend to collapse in the last couple of minutes in heads. You just got a taste of that: received goals in the 93th and 119th minutes, the second one was an own goal, and oh, I almost forgot to mention we played the last 30 minutes with 11 players against 10. :palm:

Anyway Serbia played better and deserved going through.

i was watching the game and i remembered how good hungarian football used to be in the 50s. they had some of the best players in the world with puskas, kocsis, kubala, nyers, hungary was the best national team, the mighty magyars, even had a number of top coaches such as gustav sebes and erno erbstein. what happened?

serbia deserved to go through, but it was a joke how it went down. hungarian defender cleared the ball into his own goal just two and a half mins to PKs. :lol:

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That coach needs to be fired. He turned all these kids that many start for their clubs into utter shit. Borre doesn't stop scoring for Cali but no one passed to him. No excuse for doing as bad as they did in all 4 games.

i tuned in to the colombia - us game but i turned it off after 30 mins. i wanted to see more of a reaction after the portugal game but i didnt see enough to motivate me to keep watching. rodriguez (who i dont think played vs usa) and zapata are selfish as hell. i dont know what di natale was saying when he said that zapata will be their new alexis sanchez. he has a lot of talent and i can see what udinese see in him, but claiming he is raw would be an understatement. tello is mediocre. the defense was a joke. santos borre barely touched the ball and was shunted out wide for most of colombias games.

at the end of the day, even though i wasnt impressed by many of colombia's players, i agree with you that restrepo needs to be fired. he was the main culprit in their poor run.
 
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i was watching the game and i remembered how good hungarian football used to be in the 50s. they had some of the best players in the world with puskas, kocsis, kubala, nyers, hungary was the best national team, the mighty magyars, even had a number of top coaches such as gustav sebes and erno erbstein. what happened?
Yes, good old times. Though I could never see players like them in my life, as I was born in the 90's. My generation is used to the bad results here, because football -both the hungarian league and the national team- is awful, to be honest. Hungary couldn't qualify to any European or World Cup since 29 years ago..
From my point of view the problem starts already from the bottom: we do not have well-prepared, qualified coaches around the youth system. Coaches know nothing comparing to what coaches and specialists from western countries know about football, and how to make talented players to professionals.
To say the least, in the 2009 U-20 World Cup Hungary reached the bronze medal. I know these tournaments does not always tell us the truth after a tiring season, but still a third place in a WC shows we were not far away from other countries accoring to our ablities. After winning a weak group, we beated Czech Republic in the round of 16, beated Italy in the last 8, lost from Ghana in the semi finals -but they eve won against Brazil in the final-, and beated Costa Rica for the bronze medal.
6 years later, now in 2015, from that 21 men squad who represented us there, 2 plays in Germany's Bundesliga 2 (Zsolt Korcsmár -> Greuter Fürth, and Péter Gulácsi -> RB Leipzig), and one has just left the greek champion Olympiacos (Balázs Megyeri, still uncertain where he will go, probably to a worse club than Olympiacos, as he could not become their first choice GK), and one is a sub striker in Mersin İdmanyurdu (Márkó Futács), trukish first league. And now surprise: I highlited these four players because they are the best among those who were in that squad, they are those who could make a carreer abroad... In Bundesliga 2. The others play in the hungarian first or second division, one in the States (Krisztián Németh -> Kansas), one in the italian third league, and that's all.
I don't want to compare our situation with a squad like Brazil, because it would be definitely unfair. So just let's take a look about what Czech Republic can show up (who as I mentioned got kicked out against us back then):
Now they have 3 players in the Swiss first division: Basel, Young Boys, Sion
one in Ukraine first division (also EL finalist this year): Dnipro
two in Bundesliga 1: Augsburg and Ingolstadt
one in Bundesliga 2: Nürnberg
and in italian 1: Hellas Verona

I guess the difference is clear. And let me remind you that this was a generation of our country who was successful. Now you can imagine those who are not.
And it's not about the management, because many of these guys could have the chance to prove themselves at serious clubs:
From that 21 men squad we had 3 players from the academy/second team of Liverpool: Gulácsi, Simon (now plays in Hungary), Németh (got the chance at AEK Athen, Olympiacos, Blackpool, Roda as well.. And now he is in the USA.)
Koman Vladimir played in Sampdoria, later in Monaco and Krasnodar. He spent almost a whole year with searching a club, now again in the Hungary.
Roland Varga played 4 years in Brescia, now in Hungary. Ádám Dudás was on trial at Arsenal and Rangers, was also a member of European U17 team(!), in one team with players who became stars since then, just to mention some of them: Wojciech Szczęsny, Armand Traoré, Vurnon Anita, Bojan Krkić... Now he doesn't even plays in our first league...
Ádám Simon spent 3 years in Palermo, now plays in Hungary.
Márkó Futács was trained in the academy of Nancy, later Werder Bremen, but also was signed by Portsmouth, Blackpool, Leicester City, now he is in the turkish first league.
So actually many of them had the chance to prove themselves. Not just on the U20-WC in 2009 by a third place, but at different clubs in England, Italy, France, Germany, the Netherlands, and so on. Still, what we can show up is 2 players in the second division of Germany.

Sorry for the long reply, I did not plan to make it this long, I just caught myself writing and writing. :teeth: :D
 
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