2012/2013 Defenders Rumors Thread

[Minardista]

Andreolli as backup, fine, but we need players good enough to be our first choice CBs as well. In terms of balance between mature enough, cheap enough, skilled enough, Bocchetti is the solution. As much as I would like to aim even higher, I think he is the most logical choice right now.

 

[Doffy]

andreolli hm... i dont think he would be a back-up. silvestre wouldnt be a back-up either, he is good but probably to expensive.

i guess quality players like rami and otamendi are out of our price range since we arent linked to them anymore?

id go for alexis rolin, kind of a gamble but he is very cheap and could be a nice surprice. then we 'd still have rano and samu to save the day if he actually flops, but i dont think he will tbh. he is a quality player.

 

[Choppin Onions]

Andreolli has been pretty solid for Chievo for the last few seasons I believe. I have no problem with bringing in some depth at CD. Cordoba and Lucio are gone and Chivu looks to be headed elsewhere as well. I highly doubt Andreolli will be the only CD brought in.

 

[rsz85]

The problem isn't Bessa, the problem is Andreolli.

Welcome on Earth. I dont see us linked with Vidic, Hummels, Dedé or any hyped/WC CBs...

+Andreolli will cover the minutes of Cordoba and last season's Ranocchia's maybe.

Rano will get Lucio minutes, Andreolli and JJ will divide on the 3rd CB spot.

 

[Caecuban]

We are in the preliminaries of the EL + we have a ton of games in Coppa Italia.

We need a new starter CB + someone like Andreolli at least. Unless we plan on starting Juan a lot (and he's not ready to be a starter yet)

 

[Bzzlightyear]

I am sure if even if we loan Juan out it will be the end of the Olympics, if he does well then we wont loan him out at all, and he will be the starter at inter.

 

[The Wall]

I am sure if even if we loan Juan out it will be the end of the Olympics, if he does well then we wont loan him out at all, and he will be the starter at inter.

Buzzdick FTW!

But seriously.....dude Juan is not starting for Inter any time soon.

 

[Bzzlightyear]

Buzzdick FTW!

But seriously.....dude Juan is not starting for Inter any time soon.

what ever you say

 

[ZeruTituli]

As a backup I think Juan would do well. He should be 4th choice centreback and get 10 appearances. Enough to send him out on loan in 2013 and have him as a starter 2014.

He starts for Brazil so clearly has quality.

We need one backup centreback. Maicon/Jonathan and Nagatomo/Zanetti is fine for a league side. Look what Juventus smashed the league with this year. Rano needs playing time.

 

[The Wall]

Cordoba had a big contract because at his best he was very important to us hence the ctr. And Chivu came in as a big signing in 08 and didnt see anyone complain back then. Those wages were merited.

Hm....Are you trying to say Inter should just give big money away as a gratitude for to years of service to veteran players? I could swear you were the one defending Moratti's competence over the last few days and here you are, advocating gifting money to players that did great stuff for Inter before getting paid once again to basically fill the number at practises/on the bench.

Because paying Cordoba € 3 M a year for the past four years was exactly that.

The 9 June 2008 he renewed his contract until 30 June 2012 with Inter, ensuring that he would effectively finish his career with Inter.

On 5 May 2012 Cordoba announced that he'll leave Inter at the end of the season.

In that period of time Inter played a total of 214(4 ET's) official games=19380 minutes

Cordoba featured in less than 50% of that total(98 games-46%). Even the better part is his minutes played:
7103 minutes in those 98 games, meaning-37% of total minutes played.

And Cordoba is not the only example of such a policy. If you want to know how is it being handled by top clubs and competent people look no further than Manchester United and Ferguson.

 

[ZeruTituli]

Hm....Are you trying to say Inter should just give big money away as a gratitude for to years of service to veteran players? I could swear you were the one defending Moratti's competence over the last few days and here you are, advocating gifting money to players that did great stuff for Inter before getting paid once again to basically fill the number at practises/on the bench.

Because paying Cordoba € 3 M a year for the past four years was exactly that.





In that period of time Inter played a total of 214(4 ET's) official games=19380 minutes

Cordoba featured in less than 50% of that total(98 games-46%). Even the better part is his minutes played:
7103 minutes in those 98 games, meaning-37% of total minutes played.

And Cordoba is not the only example of such a policy. If you want to know how is it being handled by top clubs and competent people look no further than Manchester United and Ferguson.

Every club makes mistakes. Before leaving for Sunderland Wes Brown was on £2.6m at Manchester United. That's 3.2million euros a season. That was on a 5 year contract in 2008.

Next to that "top club" I think we did well for a player of similar importance.

Edit: Gary Neville was on just under 4m euros over the last few years of his contract. He was on the bench. John O Shea was on the same as Wes.

 

[The Wall]

Every club makes mistakes. Before leaving for Sunderland Wes Brown was on £2.6m at Manchester United. That's 3.2million euros a season. That was on a 5 year contract in 2008.

Next to that "top club" I think we did well for a player of similar importance.

Edit: Gary Neville was on just under 4m euros over the last few years of his contract. He was on the bench. John O Shea was on the same as Wes.

I didn't realize Wes Brown was an aged veteran at the time they gave him that 5 year deal. O'Shea as well.:challenge:

Also, I very much doubt that United gave Neville a long term deal when he was nearing his end. The common practise with Ferguson is to give his older players one year deals. I doubt he treated Neville any different.

 

[ZeruTituli]

I didn't realize Wes Brown was an aged veteran at the time they gave him that 5 year deal. O'Shea as well.:challenge:

Also, I very much doubt that United gave Neville a long term deal when he was nearing his end. The common practise with Ferguson is to give his older players one year deals. I doubt he treated Neville any different.

Wes Brown was 28 when offered a 5 year deal for 3.2 million euros a season.
If Neville was given a 1 year deal he was paid 4 million euros to make 4 appearances in all competitions. That's £1 million an appearance.

It's pretty difficult on this evidence to claim Manchester United are a brilliantly well run club and Inter are run by muppets. Such an extreme view is clearly wrong despite this wide spread perception.

 

[The Wall]

Wes Brown was 28 when offered a 5 year deal for 3.2 million euros a season.

So how does that compare to 32 year old Cordoba starting to seriously decline?

If Neville was given a 1 year deal he was paid 4 million euros to make 4 appearances in all competitions. That's £1 million an appearance.

Still a ONE year deal, and not a four year deal like Inter did with Cordoba and Stanković on top of my head.

It's pretty difficult

No, it's not.

 

[.h.]

Wes Brown was 28 when offered a 5 year deal for 3.2 million euros a season.
If Neville was given a 1 year deal he was paid 4 million euros to make 4 appearances in all competitions. That's £1 million an appearance.

It's pretty difficult on this evidence to claim Manchester United are a brilliantly well run club and Inter are run by muppets. Such an extreme view is clearly wrong despite this wide spread perception.

everyone has some oldies.

not as many as inter, though, is the point

first year under mourinho:

cruz, crespo, cordoba, materazzi (I know peolpe on here will argue, but eh), Figo, Toldo, Vieira.... just off the top of my head

even now..
stankovic, chivu, cordoba, lucio, Muntari, Forlan...

and thats even before you consider people like maicon, pazzini, zarate..

 

[ZeruTituli]

So how does that compare to 32 year old Cordoba starting to seriously decline?



Still a ONE year deal, and not a four year deal like Inter did with Cordoba and Stanković on top of my head.



No, it's not.

If you think 3.2million euros for Wes Brown is better value than 3million euros for Cordoba, then you are of course entitled to your opinion.

The length of a deal isn't really that important. It's what you get for that money. If you're willing to pay anyone 1 million euros for an appearance, let alone a player at the end of his career then that is your prerogative. Do not however pretend that is something we should aspire to.

Of course these statistics surprise you because you assume that Man Utd must be a brilliantly well-run club. In many ways it is. In some ways it isn't. Noone in England would hold them up as the ideal though.

 

[.h.]

Oh I think its a lot better for what Cordoba has done the last season or two...

 

[ZeruTituli]

everyone has some oldies.

not as many as inter, though, is the point

first year under mourinho:

cruz, crespo, cordoba, materazzi (I know peolpe on here will argue, but eh), Figo, Toldo, Vieira.... just off the top of my head

even now..
stankovic, chivu, cordoba, lucio, Muntari, Forlan...

and thats even before you consider people like maicon, pazzini, zarate..

So the most successful Inter in living memory had a very long list of old players and that is somehow bad? What?

 

[.h.]

So the most successful Inter in living memory had a very long list of old players and that is somehow bad? What?

And how much contribution did those players I listed deliver under Mourinho and the treble?....

 

[ZeruTituli]

And how much contribution did those players I listed deliver under Mourinho and the treble?....

Champions League Final starting 11:

JC - 30
Maicon - 28
Lucio - 32
Samuel - 32
Chivu - 29
Zanetti - 36
Cambiasso - 29
Sneijder - 25
Pandev -26
Eto'o -29
Milito - 30

Are you still going to argue the team that won the treble was young? That's an average age of about 30. Sneijder at 25 was the baby of the side.