2011/2012 Defenders Rumors Thread

[CafeCordoba]

20m€ is overprice for us. We can't afford to pay such fees. Though Isla is guaranteed in Serie A but for 20m€, you have to get a guaranteed starting player with consistent euro exp IMO.

 

[Sassuolu]

Is it really smart to spend that kind of money in an area where we're pretty stacked, I'm not knocking Isla but still we'd be better off with a wide forward.

 

[Pajo]

20m€ is overprice for us. We can't afford to pay such fees. Though Isla is guaranteed in Serie A but for 20m€, you have to get a guaranteed starting player with consistent euro exp IMO.

Well, they don't play in the same position, but 20m for Isla >> 30m for Lucas. It's not even close

Although, i think with 15 + some youngsters on loan/50-50, will do. Maybe even less.

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Is it really smart to spend that kind of money in an area where we're pretty stacked, I'm not knocking Isla but still we'd be better off with a wide forward.

Of course, whoever the coach is, he will require wide forward. Isla + wide forward (Lucas, Lavezzi) will be priority. Depending on who we sell and for how much, we will get other players too.

One think i am certain, is that we WILL buy some quality players in the summer. Don't know for you, but im sure of it. Even Branca and MM are aware reinforcement is needed

 

[necrodragon]

it would be best if we could get isla for some 10-12 million plus half of caldirola or jonathan or someone and get them back after a year or two at udinese, but 20million for isla is way too much and I doubt we can afford it

 

[nurko]

IMO 15m for Isla would be money well spent.

 

[crzdcolombian]

IMO 15m for Isla would be money well spent.

If we can get Isla and Poli for under 20 million Branca is a genius

 

[iMathcore19]

If we can get Isla and Poli for under 20 million Branca is a genius

30+ million all of them with guarin = Branca Mother of Scout

 

[Suneet]

Can we not give them Muntari plus 10mil? Oh wait....

 

[crzdcolombian]

it would be best if we could get isla for some 10-12 million plus half of caldirola or jonathan or someone and get them back after a year or two at udinese, but 20million for isla is way too much and I doubt we can afford it

No we can't !!!! Udinese has like 10 players per position (loan out to Lecce, Granda and Cadiz)and they are all out on loan starting at othere places. You think they will give us one of their top players for a guy who is doing well in 2nd division Italy and half the money they want? Udinese are a selling club not a buying one. Cuadrado will take Isla spot in the summer but only if they get what they want for him. They will sell Isla and buy 3 more Chileans for 500k each and sell one of them in 2 years for a huge profit. We can't think every team is going to take our shit on co-ownership to lower the price. That is how we lost Sanchez and will continue to lose players with that mentality.

 

[snake]

it would be best if we could get isla for some 10-12 million plus half of caldirola or jonathan or someone and get them back after a year or two at udinese, but 20million for isla is way too much and I doubt we can afford it

No we can't !!!! Udinese has like 10 players per position (loan out to Lecce, Granda and Cadiz)and they are all out on loan starting at othere places. You think they will give us one of their top players for a guy who is doing well in 2nd division Italy and half the money they want? Udinese are a selling club not a buying one. Cuadrado will take Isla spot in the summer but only if they get what they want for him. They will sell Isla and buy 3 more Chileans for 500k each and sell one of them in 2 years for a huge profit. We can't think every team is going to take our shit on co-ownership to lower the price. That is how we lost Sanchez and will continue to lose players with that mentality.

That's not why we lost sanchez. How did you convince yourself that?

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[CafeCordoba]

Well, they don't play in the same position, but 20m for Isla >> 30m for Lucas. It's not even close

Although, i think with 15 + some youngsters on loan/50-50, will do. Maybe even less.

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Of course, whoever the coach is, he will require wide forward. Isla + wide forward (Lucas, Lavezzi) will be priority. Depending on who we sell and for how much, we will get other players too.

One think i am certain, is that we WILL buy some quality players in the summer. Don't know for you, but im sure of it. Even Branca and MM are aware reinforcement is needed

Don't understand how Lucas has anything to do with Isla but whatever. Of course 20m€ for Isla is better deal than 30m€ for Lucas, but I don't think there is even a slightest chance we would consider buying Lucas for 30m€. No matter what GdS reporters speculate and rumormonger.

 

[Pajo]

There is nothing, just a price comparison

 

[DirettaInter]

INTER 1908

 

[Nerazzurri_Ninja]

Tagliafico from Banfield the very same club we got Zanetti from, a great young talent that plays LB.

Or

SANTON who never should of been sold or wanted to leave to play LB.

 

[sladdi]

According to Austrian media, Inter is strongly linked with Aleksandar Dragovic from FC Basel.

http://www.news.at/articles/1213/204/323541/aleksandar-dragovic-inter-barcelona
http://sport.oe24.at/fussball/Barca-und-Inter-jagen-Dragovic/61252661
http://sport.orf.at/stories/2112687/

 

[.h.]

Tagliafico from Banfield the very same club we got Zanetti from, a great young talent that plays LB.

Or

SANTON who never should of been sold or wanted to leave to play LB.

Santon has been poor at Newcastle. Regular, yes, but he's made an awful lot of mistakes. Considering our defense is the thing that needs fixing, no thanks.

 

[Tanel]

Thing with Santon is that if we plan on going with young squad... then he'd be quite good to have.

In the end, he only turned 21 this year and this is something that people forget. 21! And he's playing regularly in a good Premier League team. Although he is not getting such good ratings himself personally, I see the chances of him eventually starting to produce performances worthy of top team as quite good - he's got the technical and physical abilities, just needs to become smarter.

The decision to let him go was an incredibly rash one, probably done on the disappointment of him not turning out to become the new Facchetti as his performances as a 17 year old promised. We completely forgot his age and treated him as a 24-25 year old... now we'll likely pay the price.

And I can agree with sending him away but there had to be a buy back clause in the deal... 8-10 million range. Just had to. But I don't think our management got around to it and simply gave him away for just 5 mil.

Edit: And on top of everything, we replaced him with that Jonathan chap who earns more than him, is older than him and cost as much as we got for Santon. And has been very useful indeed...

 

[.h.]

no argument jonathan has been crap. However, I dont think Santon will cut it at the top level. He'll probably be a useful backup player for Italy, but nothing more. He is too naive in his positioning, and there are no signs of it improving. He's okay technically and physically, but he's gone nowhere but backwards in the last 3 seasons.

 

[Tanel]

Positioning is something you can get almost overnight and this is something you obtain by playing constantly as well as assessing what you do wrong yourself and try to pay more attention. Tactical part of the game is something a player can learn... it's not something you can teach, you can only guide him and try to help him find methods that make him pay attention during the game. But it can come, and quite suddenly.

If he was slow as turtle or small like Nagatomo or had the technique of an Estonian central defender then it'd be a problem.

And with 10 years at top level ahead of him, I'm pretty sure that snap moment will arrive for Santon IF he continues to play.

For me, tactical knowledge is the main difference in making the step forward in football. You can feel it in just about every level of the game - even when you make the jump from playing in the park with your friends to amateur leagues.

I'm sure technically and physically people like Bessa, Crisetig are on level with whole lot of players, but it is the tactical part which is the reason why young teams take time to start winning. You go home from a game:
You think about what you did wrong and try to understand how to do it right next time.
You also think about why did you play a good game or had a good period. Get to the basis of it, try to implement the same way in next game.
You pick up advice from managers, team-mates - try to put their knowledge into your play and then see if it adds to it or not.
Then you maybe watch some other players play, pick up some things you notice.

For some, this process is very quick, for some, it takes time.

 

[.h.]

Positioning is something you can get almost overnight and this is something you obtain by playing constantly as well as assessing what you do wrong yourself and try to pay more attention. Tactical part of the game is something a player can learn... it's not something you can teach, you can only guide him and try to help him find methods that make him pay attention during the game. But it can come, and quite suddenly.

If he was slow as turtle or small like Nagatomo or had the technique of an Estonian central defender then it'd be a problem.

And with 10 years at top level ahead of him, I'm pretty sure that snap moment will arrive for Santon IF he continues to play.

For me, tactical knowledge is the main difference in making the step forward in football. You can feel it in just about every level of the game - even when you make the jump from playing in the park with your friends to amateur leagues.

Positioning is something that you either have or don't have. Its a different thing to tactical discipline. Someone like Cambiasso is fantastic with positioning, he can read the game well. Santon doesnt have that attribute.

Santon, even under Mourinho, the world's leading 'tactical discipline' coach, did poorly. What makes you think he has any chance of success after that?

Santon is mediocre at everything. He's an okay marker, he's an okay tackler, he's an okay attacking full back. He doesn't excel at anything, never will, and his lapses in concentration have occured for far too long now. Conceeding like 4 goals against Palermo down his side, for example, or I think Newcastle v Villa earlier this season? It keeps coming up time and time again, and not theres no sign of it fixing.

He was pretty good under season 1 under Mourinho. Season 2 was a huge disaster.

The guy is unlikely to make it. I'm sad, he's the first real replica shirt I bought since Zero Tituli & before that, Adriano. I really hoped he'd make it, but sadly I dont think it'll happen now.