Simone Inzaghi

CafeCordoba · Mar 6, 2023

My theory is no team can handle Conte regime for too long. At least a team which have star players. Players who could play elsewhere playing different kind of football.

vex · Mar 6, 2023

CafeCordoba said:
My theory is no team can handle Conte regime for too long. At least a team which have star players. Players who could play elsewhere playing different kind of football.

There is some truth to that, and probably one of the reasons why he was so adamant about new signings, he knew he needed fresh blood to keep it going at the same intensity. But at least he seemed aware of his system.

One thing that bothers me about inzaghi is that he seems absolutely unaware of his setup drawbacks, and that includes defense and especially player management load. For example, you can't keep playing mkhi in every game and expect the same level of performances in your midfield, or have very little rotation unless someone is injured. That's fuckin suicide, and he is as i v said either unaware of it or maybe even worse aware of it but afraid to do anything new and just expecting we kinda ride it off with ups and downs knowing full well the team is always good enough to bounce back, as was the case so far, so his job at the end stays safe.

NimAraya · Mar 6, 2023

CafeCordoba said:
My theory is no team can handle Conte regime for too long. At least a team which have star players. Players who could play elsewhere playing different kind of football.

Yeah, that's why IMO his team usually does better when they have only one competition to play.

I remember the same has been said about Felix Magath, when several players criticized his rough training methods. There was a Brazilian FB who went as far as saying he could become a general under Magath's harsh methods!

New Fulham manager Felix Magath is paranoid and a control freak, says Bayern Munich chief Uli Hoeness

The president of the Bavarian giants says that the new Cottagers boss is hated by his players and will never manage in Germany again

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CafeCordoba · Mar 6, 2023

vex said:
There is some truth to that, and probably one of the reasons why he was so adamant about new signings, he knew he needed fresh blood to keep it going at the same intensity. But at least he seemed aware of his system.

One thing that bothers me about inzaghi is that he seems absolutely unaware of his setup drawbacks, and that includes defense and especially player management load. For example, you can't keep playing mkhi in every game and expect the same level of performances in your midfield, or have very little rotation unless someone is injured. That's fuckin suicide, and he is as i v said either unaware of it or maybe even worse aware of it but afraid to do anything new and just expecting we kinda ride it off with ups and downs knowing full well the team is always good enough to bounce back, as was the case so far, so his job at the end stays safe.

I don't think there's been much variation in Mkhitaryan performance when it comes to his energy and stamina.

Someone like Dzeko seems to be visibly done after the first part of the season (sample size is now two seasons), but IMO this doesn't apply to Mhkitaryan at all.

Adriano@10 · Mar 6, 2023

vex said:
player management load. For example, you can't keep playing mkhi in every game and expect the same level of performances in your midfield, or have very little rotation unless someone is injured. That's fuckin suicide, and he is as i v said either unaware of it or maybe even worse aware of it but afraid to do anything new and just expecting we kinda ride it off with ups and downs knowing full well the team is always good enough to bounce back, as was the case so far, so his job at the end stays safe.

We complain about this with every god damn manager we have it was also an issue with conte difference being cont won so it calmed down.
Also it s not like inzaghi has a deep bench..... There basically is one player in aslani that he can sub in for any of our mids for whom he wont get shit.
And aslani has not really shown much thus far in inter colors...
Like i like the kid but miki has clearly been better and should be the prefered choice.

varmin · Mar 6, 2023

Adriano@10 said:
We complain about this with every god damn manager we have it was also an issue with conte difference being cont won so it calmed down.
Also it s not like inzaghi has a deep bench..... There basically is one player in aslani that he can sub in for any of our mids for whom he wont get shit.
And aslani has not really shown much thus far in inter colors...
Like i like the kid but miki has clearly been better and should be the prefered choice.

Miki has been mediocre in many games and even bad at the beginning of the season, but he is always a starter and it was about a time to begin to deliver. Asllani from another hand gets something like 5-15 minutes at the end of the matches. I don't know what do you expect of him for that limited time? He was a starter for the Coppa, when he was well involved in our 2.goals with his excellent long passes. So, basically he delivered in his only game as a starter.
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Almost the same could apply for Gosens. He looked not good, but he rarely got any chances to build a confidence with games in a row as starter. Now Dimarco is out, and Gosens was great last two matches.

Adriano@10 · Mar 6, 2023

varmin said:
Miki has been mediocre in many games and even bad at the beginning of the season, but he is always a starter and it was about a time to begin to deliver. Asllani from another hand gets something like 5-15 minutes at the end of the matches. I don't know what do you expect of him for that limited time? He was a starter for the Coppa, when he was well involved in our 2.goals with his excellent long passes. So, basically he delivered in his only game as a starter.

That coppa match we played a serie B opponent and had to go to overtime I m sure aslani and the team did great......... (yes i know miki was a starter too).

Point here is we always make this assumptios that the young player on the bench has to be better and should play but 99% of the time we are dead wrong.
How many of the young midfielders we wated to see get more playing time did amount to players good enough to be inter back ups?
Poli? Duncan? Taider? Mariga? Bessa? I m sure i m forgetting some...
But fact is we usually bitch about them not getting playing time and we re sure their better than the old geezers we have on the pitch. But when they move on to much lesser clubs they usually still dont amount to any thing worthy of wearing an inter shirt.

That being said i m not saying asllani is shit or wont amount to nothing, I m saying more often then not our coaches do the right thing in not playing these young "talents"

Since i m an inter fan there are arguably 3 to 4 players that would qualify as not getting playing time here and making it big elsewhere.
Pirlo, Bonucci, Coutinho and maybe zaniolo and RC...
Now RC was forced out by the coach, Zainolo pretty much also since spallo wanted Raja.
Pirlo was cut clear our mistake and Bonucci after seeing him outside of jube and how attrocious he was without chiellini I m not that sure we made a huge mistake there.
These are 4 plyers in 25+ years.
How many did we bitch about not getting enough playing time?
Also the likes of Barella, skriniar, bastoni, brozo, Icardi and martinez all conquered a starting spot here while still being youngish....

varmin · Mar 6, 2023

Adriano@10 said:
That coppa match we played a serie B opponent and had to go to overtime I m sure aslani and the team did great......... (yes i know miki was a starter too).

Point here is we always make this assumptios that the young player on the bench has to be better and should play but 99% of the time we are dead wrong.
How many of the young midfielders we wated to see get more playing time did amount to players good enough to be inter back ups?
Poli? Duncan? Taider? Mariga? Bessa? I m sure i m forgetting some...
But fact is we usually bitch about them not getting playing time and we re sure their better than the old geezers we have on the pitch. But when they move on to much lesser clubs they usually still dont amount to any thing worthy of wearing an inter shirt.

That being said i m not saying asllani is shit or wont amount to nothing, I m saying more often then not our coaches do the right thing in not playing these young "talents"

Since i m an inter fan there are arguably 3 to 4 players that would qualify as not getting playing time here and making it big elsewhere.
Pirlo, Bonucci, Coutinho and maybe zaniolo and RC...
Now RC was forced out by the coach, Zainolo pretty much also since spallo wanted Raja.
Pirlo was cut clear our mistake and Bonucci after seeing him outside of jube and how attrocious he was without chiellini I m not that sure we made a huge mistake there.
These are 4 plyers in 25+ years.
How many did we bitch about not getting enough playing time?
Also the likes of Barella, skriniar, bastoni, brozo, Icardi and martinez all conquered a starting spot here while still being youngish....

Actually, my point is to give enough chances to a youngstar in order to assess him. Asllani clearly didn't get enough. From the players you mentioned, Taider, Belfodil and Icardi got enough time to prove their worth, but only Icardi delivered. Players like Duncan and Biraghi never got a real chance apart from few appearances, and I deem this as a mistake as well. We sold them for nothing, and replace them with more expensive but not better players, instead to raise them.
Let's get back to the present. Asllani never got enough time to prove himself, and he was never poor when he played. We have a player like Gagliardini, who is about to leave, but he continues to eat Asllanic's minutes, because our our coach is a stubborn ass. Bellanova from another hand, has been given more minutes than Asllani, and he was from bad to nothing special in all of them, so as you can see, nobody is complaining about him.
I remember Coutinho and how only Benitez gave him proper time on the pitch. There was an opinion that he is not good enough based only on few minutes when ha was played, and that was clearly wrong. So, my point here is - give more minutes to those young players in order to assess then, and then decide if they are good enough or not. But, don't say that they are nothing special because they didn't delivered in 5 to 15 minutes once per 2-3 games.

CafeCordoba · Mar 6, 2023

varmin said:
Actually, my point is to give enough chances to a youngstar in order to assess him. Asllani clearly didn't get enough. From the players you mentioned, Taider, Belfodil and Icardi got enough time to prove their worth, but only Icardi delivered. Players like Duncan and Biraghi never got a real chance apart from few appearances, and I deem this as a mistake as well. We sold them for nothing, and replace them with more expensive but not better players, instead to raise them.
Let's get back to the present. Asllani never got enough time to prove himself, and he was never poor when he played. We have a player like Gagliardini, who is about to leave, but he continues to eat Asllanic's minutes, because our our coach is a stubborn ass. Bellanova from another hand, has been given more minutes than Asllani, and he was from bad to nothing special in all of them, so as you can see, nobody is complaining about him.
I remember Coutinho and how only Benitez gave him proper time on the pitch. There was an opinion that he is not good enough based only on few minutes when ha was played, and that was clearly wrong. So, my point here is - give more minutes to those young players in order to assess then, and then decide if they are good enough or not. But, don't say that they are nothing special because they didn't delivered in 5 to 15 minutes once per 2-3 games.

You fail to understand Inzaghi's job is not to assess youngsters. His job right now is to try to get the team as far as possible in every competition he's in (Serie A, CL, Coppa).

Also most things happening with the team happens outside of matches. Matches are 90-180mins of week's time. Competitive matches are not for assessing youngsters, at Inter. That's just how it is.

If the mindset changes here, we can talk. But for as long as the target is to win as much as possible with the given resources, coach sees whatever he sees fit.

vex · Mar 6, 2023

Adriano@10 said:
We complain about this with every god damn manager we have it was also an issue with conte difference being cont won so it calmed down.
Also it s not like inzaghi has a deep bench..... There basically is one player in aslani that he can sub in for any of our mids for whom he wont get shit.
And aslani has not really shown much thus far in inter colors...
Like i like the kid but miki has clearly been better and should be the prefered choice.

First, I don't think we have that bad of a bench, a lot of those players could be useful if used correctly. Under conte even gaglia was useful to a certain extent.

The problem is, he doesn't even think of using bench players except when there is an injury problem. And that's the whole issue here. If he gave small chances to bellanova and asllani at the beginning of the season and forgave them little mistakes they v made, maybe we wouldn't have these negative results we had in recent times, which are imo result of overplaying certain players.

And look no further for a proof of that than last night game where gosens finally strung a couple of games from the start and what that did to his confidence. A month ago he would probably be part of your definition of shit bench we have, and in these two games he was arguably our best player.

varmin · Mar 6, 2023

CafeCordoba said:
You fail to understand Inzaghi's job is not to assess youngsters. His job right now is to try to get the team as far as possible in every competition he's in (Serie A, CL, Coppa).

Also most things happening with the team happens outside of matches. Matches are 90-180mins of week's time. Competitive matches are not for assessing youngsters, at Inter. That's just how it is.

If the mindset changes here, we can talk. But for as long as the target is to win as much as possible with the given resources, coach sees whatever he sees fit.

And one of the reasons why Inzaghi is failing in terms of consistency is because he is keep using same players until the moment when they became completely washed. And the games are the place, where one can assess if the player is good or not. One can have a great player on training, but if he cannot transfer this greatness in the real match, it's pointless. Anyway, it's not only Asllani, but Brozo and Gosens as well. They got couple of minutes here and there, but not enough to get in shape. I'm saying it again, see how Gosens completely transformed in those two games, where Dimarco wasn't available.

CafeCordoba · Mar 6, 2023

Games is where YOU can assess if the player is good or not. Inzaghi or any coach spend 10-20x more times with the players in training field than in the matches.

Adriano@10 · Mar 6, 2023

varmin said:
Actually, my point is to give enough chances to a youngstar in order to assess him. Asllani clearly didn't get enough. From the players you mentioned, Taider, Belfodil and Icardi got enough time to prove their worth, but only Icardi delivered. Players like Duncan and Biraghi never got a real chance apart from few appearances, and I deem this as a mistake as well. We sold them for nothing, and replace them with more expensive but not better players, instead to raise them.
Let's get back to the present. Asllani never got enough time to prove himself, and he was never poor when he played. We have a player like Gagliardini, who is about to leave, but he continues to eat Asllanic's minutes, because our our coach is a stubborn ass. Bellanova from another hand, has been given more minutes than Asllani, and he was from bad to nothing special in all of them, so as you can see, nobody is complaining about him.
I remember Coutinho and how only Benitez gave him proper time on the pitch. There was an opinion that he is not good enough based only on few minutes when ha was played, and that was clearly wrong. So, my point here is - give more minutes to those young players in order to assess then, and then decide if they are good enough or not. But, don't say that they are nothing special because they didn't delivered in 5 to 15 minutes once per 2-3 games.

Again you re missing my point my point is the coach sees em every day of the week in training and more often then not their assemment has been correct in the past despite the fans screaming to give more playing time to the youngsters. Again in over 25 years there slike 4 players for which there can be made an argument that we missed out cause we did not play them.

Also on top of all that we have skriniar bastoni lautaro barella and brozo who all joined inter youngish withe no big team experience and 0 need for the coach to play em jet they all made it.......

Again maybe those youngsters that aint get playing time just aint good enough.
If you take their performance when they leave inter as an indicator our coaches was right a lot more then they were wrong when not playing youngsters....
The list of supposed great young players who did not get playing time here and faild when leaving inter is a lot longer then the one of those we did not play and they ended up being great.
Now you can dismiss all that i just dont think you have much of a logical argument there.
Castagnos/karamoh/Krhin/poli/ taider/ belfodil/ arnautovic/ duncan/ obi/ bessa/ biraghi/ pinamonti/ mariga and these are just from the top of my head i m sure there are a lot more that i forgot.

varmin · Mar 6, 2023

Coach sees them every day on training, but this means nothing if he is afraid for his job and doesn't have balls to try something different, when the things are stalled. Spalletti was also seeing Zaniolo every day, but that didn't change the fact that Vecino and papa Valero were alywas ahead of him, and he didn't get even a single chance.

brakbrak · Mar 6, 2023

I'm not gonna criticize inzaghi for not playing asllani, caboni, etc. But what's up with him putting them on when we are losing? That's the part I don't understand.

brehme1989 · Mar 6, 2023

brakbrak said:
I'm not gonna criticize inzaghi for not playing asllani, caboni, etc. But what's up with him putting them on when we are losing? That's the part I don't understand.

Humility and it builds character. Or filters it out when applicable.

CafeCordoba · Mar 6, 2023

varmin said:
Coach sees them every day on training, but this means nothing if he is afraid for his job and doesn't have balls to try something different, when the things are stalled. Spalletti was also seeing Zaniolo every day, but that didn't change the fact that Vecino and papa Valero were alywas ahead of him, and he didn't get even a single chance.

Are you suggesting using Zaniolo instead of Gagliaridini or Vecino? When Zaniolo got a chance at Roma (because of injury crisis btw) he wasn't used as some mezzala or central midfielder but an attacking midfielder.

varmin · Mar 6, 2023

CafeCordoba said:
Are you suggesting using Zaniolo instead of Gagliaridini or Vecino? When Zaniolo got a chance at Roma (because of injury crisis btw) he wasn't used as some mezzala or central midfielder but an attacking midfielder.

Valero and the drinking Nainggolan were used as AM by Spalletti and occasionally Vecino, iirc. I'm suggesting that he didn't use Zaniolo even once at time, when we desperately lacked AM.

Adriano@10 · Mar 6, 2023

varmin said:
Coach sees them every day on training, but this means nothing if he is afraid for his job and doesn't have balls to try something different, when the things are stalled. Spalletti was also seeing Zaniolo every day, but that didn't change the fact that Vecino and papa Valero were alywas ahead of him, and he didn't get even a single chance.

Fair enough

But again my point is the coaches are right a lot more often then not...
Also it was not like we threw Zaniolo away....

Fact is a lot more yougish players managed to grab a starting spot at inter and succeed, then young players who did not play at inter and went on to succeed.
Yet the narrative somehow is our coaches dont play young players thats why we never have good ones. When in fact most of the good young players we get manage to grab a starting spot.

Again it s coutinho and Zaniolo in the last 20 years.... The list of those that succeeded is much longer, just as the list of those we got rid of and they never managed to get past midteam level player is much longer.

Heck arguably the list of those that got playing time and still did not amount to much after leaving inter is longer Balo/Santon/Jesus/Murillo

Facts just dont support that we dont play young players thast why we dont succeed narrative.
And dont get me wrong i m all for playing young players.

Il Drago · Mar 6, 2023

brakbrak said:
I'm not gonna criticize inzaghi for not playing asllani, caboni, etc. But what's up with him putting them on when we are losing? That's the part I don't understand.

It's pretty easy to understand actually. Desperation. When nothing else is working he puts them on as a last resort in the hope they could do something.

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