Italian Serie A 2023/2024

bubba zanetti said:

They are not lucky, this is just a way they play. They take a lead and then they defend brutally. Only Inter and Genoa managed to equalize and mantain positive result (I am not gonna count start of the season) against them. Just look when they conceide goal how they imediately start attacking and scoring another goal, to win a game. Thats not luck, thats the way they play plus they have that rube winning mentality, that we always lack. I think this team has a much more quality than Mancini Inter, they are not comparable. 10 wins, 3 draws in last three months,and no defeat(since Sassuolo game). It cant be luck, no way.

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i saw every Juve game and even before scoring they have a lot of luck. Yesterday too, Roma hit the post and also had good chances that Dybala wasted. Or for example the last minute goals like the one against Monza. How is that not luck? i even know juve fans that says the same, Juve is playing dogshit but somehow is still there.

ElDuccio said:

i saw every Juve game and even before scoring they have a lot of luck. Yesterday too, Roma hit the post and also had good chances that Dybala wasted. Or for example the last minute goals like the one against Monza. How is that not luck? i even know juve fans that says the same, Juve is playing dogshit but somehow is still there.

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This also the reason why i m not that worried about jube it s not like they re playing great football to get all these 1:0 wins...
It s also not like they re defense is that great and they dont conced chances....
Just dont think it s sustainable for them....

Also lol at people panicking we re still 2 points ahead and play these fucks in san siro next time we meet

ElDuccio said:

i saw every Juve game and even before scoring they have a lot of luck. Yesterday too, Roma hit the post and also had good chances that Dybala wasted. Or for example the last minute goals like the one against Monza. How is that not luck? i even know juve fans that says the same, Juve is playing dogshit but somehow is still there.

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If something happened several times that's not luck. Had Dybala scored they would have pushed harder to win 2-1 instead of 1-0 for instance.

Looking at another perspective, Jube can control the match tempo so well that they squeeze until they score once. Then stop playing to avoid injury. They can burst their gas again if the other team equalize early enough.

Such just enough approach is perfect for a marathon. Three points is three points. 1-0 or 5-1 make no difference. Like the famous Mourinho quote "Had you won 1 match of 10-0 you destroy one match. Had those been 10 matches of 1-0 you destroy the whole competition" and Juve is proving exactly that.

Exactly. If Dybala scored they would push for second and they would score, they are doing this whole time.

Lukaku was invisible, furthermore 352 is trash, furthermore pellegrini needs to be there from the start

PHM1605 said:

If something happened several times that's not luck. Had Dybala scored they would have pushed harder to win 2-1 instead of 1-0 for instance.

Looking at another perspective, Jube can control the match tempo so well that they squeeze until they score once. Then stop playing to avoid injury. They can burst their gas again if the other team equalize early enough.

Such just enough approach is perfect for a marathon. Three points is three points. 1-0 or 5-1 make no difference. Like the famous Mourinho quote "Had you won 1 match of 10-0 you destroy one match. Had those been 10 matches of 1-0 you destroy the whole competition" and Juve is proving exactly that.

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Tbh we ourselves gave them a huge motivation booster by dropping points a day before. Its totally another thing playing Mou`s bus @ -7pts. We had to play 3 or 4 times after Rube, backs against the wall and we had very hard away fixtures and we passed those test perfectly, this time we had this one opportunity to put them under pressure and we failed big time.

One thing more. Fixture list will be more even in 2024 vs us and Allegri. We played UCL midweek, 6 difficult energy wasting matches, they watched it on TV and had a nice rest, scratching their balls and figuring out what the hell happened in 2022 group stage when they ended up on humiliating 4th! Coppa Italia has 5 more matches including the final. We have SuperC and UCL home and away. 4 games right now.

Rube still has to play @ Napoli @ Inter @ Bologna @ Roma @ Lazio

We have @Roma @ Bologna @ Milan ( )


Last 5 matches :

Inter : TORINO , @ Sassuolo , @ Frosinone, Lazio, @ Verona
Rube : MILAN, @ Roma, Salernitana, @Bologna, Monza

We still have an edge. The key is obv being healthy on key positions. Like Lautaro for instance. Without him we lack leadership, goals, pressing, the brains etc. Without our captain we play like without a leg.

1.5 hrs before new years eve Im comparing our chances vs Rube. Enough is enough.

Jnr said:

1.5 hrs before new years eve Im comparing our chances vs Rube. Enough is enough.

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We're lost cases mate. Inter have ruined us for good.

thatdude said:

I really think Juventus is the favorite as things stand RIGHT NOW. Just watching the way the matches have played out and knowing the squads and schedules I would give them a very slight advantage. That can change after January transfer window and depending on what happens in CL. We’ve honestly done well to have the lead we do while playing 7 more matches.

The primary reason I’d give them the edge, outside of the obvious lack of European Football is Allegri. He has experience winning the league and I think that means something to his players (and probably ours). Also, Inzaghi seems at least to me to be lacking something in terms of ruthlessness still. He’s a nice guy, and the lack of discipline does pop up from time to time (Barella).

We have been dominate in a lot of matches this year, however we have really struggled in tight matches. Everytime a team has equalized against us this year we have drawn or lost. We don’t have any reaction to turn a result, we’ve only really shown an ability to run downhill.

I think a lot of that comes down to lack of a game changer off the bench on the forward line. Arnautovic is playing better but he should really be a 4th choice player at a team like Inter. I do question, if we didn’t buy Pavard and ended up with legitimate 3rd option at the striker position (Balogun, Scamacca, Taremi) would we be in a better position today?

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To wit, Juventus have lost four points from leading positions (us and @Genoa) and we've lost seven. Obviously part of what goes into a stat like that depends on how often you get into leading positions to begin with, but I heard during the last Juve game that they've scored the first goal of every game where there's been a goal since the game they lost to Sassuolo, so they're always playing from ahead. Further, they've stolen four points from stoppage time winners (Verona and @Monza), we don't have any points stolen or rescued in stoppage time...from what I'm looking at, it seems that our latest winning goal in a game this season in the league was the Thuram 1-0 goal against Roma, and that was in the 80th minute or thereabouts. We've been really good at front-running; you don't run up a +34 goal difference in 18 games without an ability to pile on when things are going well, but in those rare games where we have had to try and find a winner late on (or even an equalizer to save a point), it hasn't shown up very well.

But I guess this is where the old expression about being careful what you wish for applies to. A year ago, we were all having a laugh at Juventus, their points deduction, Agnelli resigning in disgrace, and everything that came with that. Well, what really happened afterwards? They finished in a Champions League spot on record last year, their revised points reduction brought them down to a Conference League level finished, and then they got banned from European play for this season anyway. The points deduction did absolutely nothing. Getting banned from the Champions League is a big problem. Getting banned from the Conference League is a reward. And so here we are now, playing a minimum of eight European games this season, which is eight more midweeks congesting our schedule than Juventus will have. We've come through that pretty well so far - we're 5-1-0 in the six games following CL games at this point - but it's just as much the wear-and-tear adding up on us in the 2nd half that Juve have been spared of.

In a really twisted way, Juventus having a pillow soft side of the Coppa Italia bracket might at least help us out a little bit. They play Salernitana tomorrow. They play Frosinone next week because Napoli got ass-hammered by them. They would likely face either Lazio or Roma in the semifinal. Unfortunately 3/4 of those games will be at home, so their travels are limited. Even still, at least it's some midweek football on their legs. Unfortunately even that advantaged is negated because we travel to the fucking Middle East for the Supercoppa during this same general time period.

I guess this is a long way of saying that I would have to rate Juve as the favorites right now as well. Lighter schedule helping them better maintain fitness and because they might actually be able to make a move or two in January because their finances are still in better shape than ours. We see what happens when Lautaro misses any games; rather toothless 1-1 game in Genoa. I don't think Juventus have the better team whatsoever, and no statistical argument is in their favor for being the better team either, but they grind you to death, squeeze out a goal somewhere (in both the Roma and Napoli games the solitary goal came early in the 2nd half, instant momentum killers), and walk away with the three points. We're a +34 goal difference, they're +16, and yet we barely have anything to show for it above them in the table. We're one loss away from 2nd place. It's extremely frustrating seeing them do this, but they've done it for three months now so there's just not much point in expecting it to change at this point. They're 11-2-0 in their last 13 games and 10 of the 11 wins were 1-goal wins, all of those wins being 1-0, 2-1, or (the solitary multi-goal win) 2-0. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so annoying.

Bologna is hard to watch against low block and compact teams

Fuck Bologna. Club that cost us scudetto 2 years ago, this year Coppa. Fuck em. And Sassuolo too.

bubba zanetti said:

Fuck Bologna. Club that cost us scudetto 2 years ago, this year Coppa. Fuck em. And Sassuolo too.

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the only one to blame is Inter, not fucking Bologna, or Sassuolo... If you can't defeat shitty teams, you don't deserve shit.

IM21 said:

the only one to blame is Inter, not fucking Bologna, or Sassuolo... If you can't defeat shitty teams, you don't deserve shit.

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Teams Bbilan failed to beat two years ago:

Sassuolo
Udinese
Spezia
Salernitana
Bologna

brightbackground said:

Teams Bbilan failed to beat two years ago:

Sassuolo
Udinese
Spezia
Salernitana
Bologna

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yea, that Bbilan team was shit, which just shows how pathetic Inter was.

Just look at my avatar to remind yourself who won the Scudetto... roflmao

IM21 said:

yea, that Bbilan team was shit, which just shows how pathetic Inter was.

Just look at my avatar to remind yourself who won the Scudetto... roflmao

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*how pathetic FIGC is.

Serie A, best league in football

La Liga, second best league in football

EPL, 3rd best league in football

IM21 said:

the only one to blame is Inter, not fucking Bologna, or Sassuolo... If you can't defeat shitty teams, you don't deserve shit.

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Keep crying

bubba zanetti said:

Fuck Bologna. Club that cost us scudetto 2 years ago, this year Coppa. Fuck em. And Sassuolo too.

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We have some curse with them honestly. They were very lucky in both games this season, and when we lost 1-2 in Conte's first season.

People that only watch football on TV and think most clubs in main 5 leagues are total garbage have no clue how football works. You don't get out of the lower leagues without some kind of tactical prowess and talented players. Also these are professional players, who are in good shape and they all believe they deserve to be where they are. Even teams that had a shit run of games (Valencia under Neville, Internazionale under De Boer) - those weren't bad players there. Sure, most of them weren't great players, but cohesion in the squad is done by good transfers and a coach that has things under control. We've seen the same players after playing a lot better, because they were used better and they also wanted to prove themselves they know how to play football.

Because believe me, all of these players know how to play football, the biggest drop off comes in what they aren't good at. Dumfries can be great in defence, but indecisive at most times in attack with only the cutbacks being his good way of crossing. He might be infuriating to watch at times, but he isn't a shit player. Same goes for Nagatomo, dude wasn't the greatest talent out there, but at least he was a worker bee and coaches love players like that.

There are so many players that come from lower positioned clubs to clubs like Inter, Juve, Milan, Napoli,... And they become stars there.


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Also, its not like even the title winning sides didn't struggle here and there. You know all of this, you've been watching football for over a decade. You've seen minnows having amazing years, maybe even winning a title, you've seen big teams struggle against the last team in the league even tho they just had a great run of games against rivals, you've seen great teams crumble under the pressure.

Atalanta haven't won anything in recent years, yet I've admired their persistence and development of players. Sassuolo is the same. Fiorentina too, I hate them for being a satellite for Juventus, but other than that I can't call them shit. Most of the lower clubs I'd call average and most of them we win every season, but they are still a certain level of a challenge. You need to put your best foot forward in every game. Lower teams don't just let you win.


So what is my point - these are players that have been drilled into good footballers since a young age. There is surprising amount of good, serviceable players in Serie B as well. Yeah, not all of them have the mentality to be successful in big teams under pressure of title hunting, but that doesn't mean you can't win titles with players brought from Dinamo Zagreb, Cagliari, Atalanta, Udinese - because that is exactly what we did not so long ago.

Come on Salerno

wera said:

People that only watch football on TV and think most clubs in main 5 leagues are total garbage have no clue how football works. You don't get out of the lower leagues without some kind of tactical prowess and talented players. Also these are professional players, who are in good shape and they all believe they deserve to be where they are. Even teams that had a shit run of games (Valencia under Neville, Internazionale under De Boer) - those weren't bad players there. Sure, most of them weren't great players, but cohesion in the squad is done by good transfers and a coach that has things under control. We've seen the same players after playing a lot better, because they were used better and they also wanted to prove themselves they know how to play football.

Because believe me, all of these players know how to play football, the biggest drop off comes in what they aren't good at. Dumfries can be great in defence, but indecisive at most times in attack with only the cutbacks being his good way of crossing. He might be infuriating to watch at times, but he isn't a shit player. Same goes for Nagatomo, dude wasn't the greatest talent out there, but at least he was a worker bee and coaches love players like that.

There are so many players that come from lower positioned clubs to clubs like Inter, Juve, Milan, Napoli,... And they become stars there.


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Also, its not like even the title winning sides didn't struggle here and there. You know all of this, you've been watching football for over a decade. You've seen minnows having amazing years, maybe even winning a title, you've seen big teams struggle against the last team in the league even tho they just had a great run of games against rivals, you've seen great teams crumble under the pressure.

Atalanta haven't won anything in recent years, yet I've admired their persistence and development of players. Sassuolo is the same. Fiorentina too, I hate them for being a satellite for Juventus, but other than that I can't call them shit. Most of the lower clubs I'd call average and most of them we win every season, but they are still a certain level of a challenge. You need to put your best foot forward in every game. Lower teams don't just let you win.


So what is my point - these are players that have been drilled into good footballers since a young age. There is surprising amount of good, serviceable players in Serie B as well. Yeah, not all of them have the mentality to be successful in big teams under pressure of title hunting, but that doesn't mean you can't win titles with players brought from Dinamo Zagreb, Cagliari, Atalanta, Udinese - because that is exactly what we did not so long ago.

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Great post, nothing to add.

Probably one of the best posts of the year, already on 6th day of the year.