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10 years of FIF
Nostradamus
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Well, they stripped two championships from existence (and we got awarded one just because UEFA demanded that a champion team was specified by FIGC, Moratti didn't want that 2006 league) due to ref false decisions. I'm hoping this escalates because it may help prove a lot of things in the past 6-7 years.
One thing you guys need to realize about Juventus and all teams that are similar is not that they're just thieves. They cannot change that. And you can live with bad people around you. The problem is that they have too much control and on top of that, they're collectors. It's like this historically in football in many leagues. Juventus is one of the pioneers of course, similar teams would be Olympiakos in Greece (same time period of corruption and actually much more intense), half of the Romanian league has been corrupted, Albania is corrupt as hell, Turkish league has lots of corruption, Portuguese league as well, even the French and Spanish leagues, the Cypriot league, Croatian league, Serbian league, Bulgarian league, the Belarussian league, even lower tier leagues of countries like England and Germany.. The former Soviet ones, with the Eastern Germans being the biggest influencers of them all with Stasi's team, Dynamo Berlin. Everyone else followed from there on with those Stasi tactics. Juventus is of course one of them. But the issue with corruption is 'accepted' within most of these countries as it's distributed usually. And sometimes it can just be an excuse (looking at Portugal and Turkey for example, everyone can say that both Benfica and Porto have had their moments or Galatasaray and Fenerbahce, or the Ministry's team now which I'm afraid I'll misspell).
Teams like Juventus are not just corrupt, not just thieves. They are COLLECTORS. They want to cheat and gloat about it. Why has Juventus made such an effort to go for this record run? Do they even deserve it? Their performance, without refereeing intervention, would probably not merit all these league wins. Maybe half of them but at the same time, it's a paradox because the first two corrupted titles gave them a humongous advantage that helped them win the next two in a legit manner for example. (Speaking hypothetically, if you want a thorough argument about each of their Scudettos we can go there but in another post). Juventus is a team that wants to gloat about being the best, without being the best. Sore losers, bad winners and cheats. That's their identity. And it's a shared trait amongst many of these sort of teams that "dominate" their domestic league. What triggered this? Well, it's easy. 2010 and Inter's treble. Their most recent trophy was a Serie B title. Can you imagine how any regular team's fan would feel if their bitter rivals won the CL when they just won the 2nd tier? The closest example is Manchester United and Manchester City. Man City had won the 2nd tier of English football in 2002, Man Utd had won the treble in 1999, just three years ago. And they won the league in 2003 when Man City had returned. But Man City is not such a club, so their reaction was very different and they lucked into being bought out. Juventus on the other hand had to return to their ways. They want that treble. How do you win the treble? Well, you first have to participate in the Champions League every season. How do you do that? Top 3 finish at least. But you want a treble. That also means winning the domestic league and cup. So if you want the treble, you're going to secure, BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY (another motto of this sort of clubs), that you are going to be guaranteed the Scudetto and that you will also be in a position to win the Coppa. If they fail to win the CL, they're still content as trophy collectors, like pirates. But like pirates, they want that eternal treasure, which is Champions League. But they don't want the CL just to win it. They have to win the treble. And they think that will eradicate our success.
That's all we're witnessing. A jealous, treacherous, cheating closed society that controls Italian football and more that will not rest until they destroy everyone who opposes them and until they surpass them and remove that self-identified loser tag. Because I don't think you can live with yourself and take pride when you're a thief. But I'm not one and all evidence shows otherwise, so there's no way they can remove all that taint.
The biggest difference between Juventus and all the rest is that everyone is pretty much watching them do it. The rest are isolated within their own borders, Juventus is part of one of the most international leagues. It's insane how they keep doing it. Then again, UEFA in the last 10 years has made Barcelona, Real Madrid and a few others their pet teams and push them towards finals, so it explains some of it.
One thing you guys need to realize about Juventus and all teams that are similar is not that they're just thieves. They cannot change that. And you can live with bad people around you. The problem is that they have too much control and on top of that, they're collectors. It's like this historically in football in many leagues. Juventus is one of the pioneers of course, similar teams would be Olympiakos in Greece (same time period of corruption and actually much more intense), half of the Romanian league has been corrupted, Albania is corrupt as hell, Turkish league has lots of corruption, Portuguese league as well, even the French and Spanish leagues, the Cypriot league, Croatian league, Serbian league, Bulgarian league, the Belarussian league, even lower tier leagues of countries like England and Germany.. The former Soviet ones, with the Eastern Germans being the biggest influencers of them all with Stasi's team, Dynamo Berlin. Everyone else followed from there on with those Stasi tactics. Juventus is of course one of them. But the issue with corruption is 'accepted' within most of these countries as it's distributed usually. And sometimes it can just be an excuse (looking at Portugal and Turkey for example, everyone can say that both Benfica and Porto have had their moments or Galatasaray and Fenerbahce, or the Ministry's team now which I'm afraid I'll misspell).
Teams like Juventus are not just corrupt, not just thieves. They are COLLECTORS. They want to cheat and gloat about it. Why has Juventus made such an effort to go for this record run? Do they even deserve it? Their performance, without refereeing intervention, would probably not merit all these league wins. Maybe half of them but at the same time, it's a paradox because the first two corrupted titles gave them a humongous advantage that helped them win the next two in a legit manner for example. (Speaking hypothetically, if you want a thorough argument about each of their Scudettos we can go there but in another post). Juventus is a team that wants to gloat about being the best, without being the best. Sore losers, bad winners and cheats. That's their identity. And it's a shared trait amongst many of these sort of teams that "dominate" their domestic league. What triggered this? Well, it's easy. 2010 and Inter's treble. Their most recent trophy was a Serie B title. Can you imagine how any regular team's fan would feel if their bitter rivals won the CL when they just won the 2nd tier? The closest example is Manchester United and Manchester City. Man City had won the 2nd tier of English football in 2002, Man Utd had won the treble in 1999, just three years ago. And they won the league in 2003 when Man City had returned. But Man City is not such a club, so their reaction was very different and they lucked into being bought out. Juventus on the other hand had to return to their ways. They want that treble. How do you win the treble? Well, you first have to participate in the Champions League every season. How do you do that? Top 3 finish at least. But you want a treble. That also means winning the domestic league and cup. So if you want the treble, you're going to secure, BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY (another motto of this sort of clubs), that you are going to be guaranteed the Scudetto and that you will also be in a position to win the Coppa. If they fail to win the CL, they're still content as trophy collectors, like pirates. But like pirates, they want that eternal treasure, which is Champions League. But they don't want the CL just to win it. They have to win the treble. And they think that will eradicate our success.
That's all we're witnessing. A jealous, treacherous, cheating closed society that controls Italian football and more that will not rest until they destroy everyone who opposes them and until they surpass them and remove that self-identified loser tag. Because I don't think you can live with yourself and take pride when you're a thief. But I'm not one and all evidence shows otherwise, so there's no way they can remove all that taint.
The biggest difference between Juventus and all the rest is that everyone is pretty much watching them do it. The rest are isolated within their own borders, Juventus is part of one of the most international leagues. It's insane how they keep doing it. Then again, UEFA in the last 10 years has made Barcelona, Real Madrid and a few others their pet teams and push them towards finals, so it explains some of it.