Inter - Juventus (28 Apr 18) [2-3]

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Well, they stripped two championships from existence (and we got awarded one just because UEFA demanded that a champion team was specified by FIGC, Moratti didn't want that 2006 league) due to ref false decisions. I'm hoping this escalates because it may help prove a lot of things in the past 6-7 years.

One thing you guys need to realize about Juventus and all teams that are similar is not that they're just thieves. They cannot change that. And you can live with bad people around you. The problem is that they have too much control and on top of that, they're collectors. It's like this historically in football in many leagues. Juventus is one of the pioneers of course, similar teams would be Olympiakos in Greece (same time period of corruption and actually much more intense), half of the Romanian league has been corrupted, Albania is corrupt as hell, Turkish league has lots of corruption, Portuguese league as well, even the French and Spanish leagues, the Cypriot league, Croatian league, Serbian league, Bulgarian league, the Belarussian league, even lower tier leagues of countries like England and Germany.. The former Soviet ones, with the Eastern Germans being the biggest influencers of them all with Stasi's team, Dynamo Berlin. Everyone else followed from there on with those Stasi tactics. Juventus is of course one of them. But the issue with corruption is 'accepted' within most of these countries as it's distributed usually. And sometimes it can just be an excuse (looking at Portugal and Turkey for example, everyone can say that both Benfica and Porto have had their moments or Galatasaray and Fenerbahce, or the Ministry's team now which I'm afraid I'll misspell).

Teams like Juventus are not just corrupt, not just thieves. They are COLLECTORS. They want to cheat and gloat about it. Why has Juventus made such an effort to go for this record run? Do they even deserve it? Their performance, without refereeing intervention, would probably not merit all these league wins. Maybe half of them but at the same time, it's a paradox because the first two corrupted titles gave them a humongous advantage that helped them win the next two in a legit manner for example. (Speaking hypothetically, if you want a thorough argument about each of their Scudettos we can go there but in another post). Juventus is a team that wants to gloat about being the best, without being the best. Sore losers, bad winners and cheats. That's their identity. And it's a shared trait amongst many of these sort of teams that "dominate" their domestic league. What triggered this? Well, it's easy. 2010 and Inter's treble. Their most recent trophy was a Serie B title. Can you imagine how any regular team's fan would feel if their bitter rivals won the CL when they just won the 2nd tier? The closest example is Manchester United and Manchester City. Man City had won the 2nd tier of English football in 2002, Man Utd had won the treble in 1999, just three years ago. And they won the league in 2003 when Man City had returned. But Man City is not such a club, so their reaction was very different and they lucked into being bought out. Juventus on the other hand had to return to their ways. They want that treble. How do you win the treble? Well, you first have to participate in the Champions League every season. How do you do that? Top 3 finish at least. But you want a treble. That also means winning the domestic league and cup. So if you want the treble, you're going to secure, BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY (another motto of this sort of clubs), that you are going to be guaranteed the Scudetto and that you will also be in a position to win the Coppa. If they fail to win the CL, they're still content as trophy collectors, like pirates. But like pirates, they want that eternal treasure, which is Champions League. But they don't want the CL just to win it. They have to win the treble. And they think that will eradicate our success.
That's all we're witnessing. A jealous, treacherous, cheating closed society that controls Italian football and more that will not rest until they destroy everyone who opposes them and until they surpass them and remove that self-identified loser tag. Because I don't think you can live with yourself and take pride when you're a thief. But I'm not one and all evidence shows otherwise, so there's no way they can remove all that taint.

The biggest difference between Juventus and all the rest is that everyone is pretty much watching them do it. The rest are isolated within their own borders, Juventus is part of one of the most international leagues. It's insane how they keep doing it. Then again, UEFA in the last 10 years has made Barcelona, Real Madrid and a few others their pet teams and push them towards finals, so it explains some of it.
 

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The Vecino red card doesn't upset me. The Pjanic non-yellow upsets me.

Give neither or give both.

This is precisely what Antonello meant when he said "two sets of weights and measures were used in the same game."

I think the Vecino red was harsh, but I can accept it so long as the ref's decisions are equally strict for both sides. That clearly did not happen, and Orsato has deservedly lost a lot of credibility.
 

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Lol at the rematch suggestion. Nothing of such kind will ever happen in Serie A.
 

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SERIE A THE MOST JUST LEAGUE AROUND! RUBE NEED TO WIN NO MATTER WHAT OR HOW!
 

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I hate people saying that we lost thanks to Spalletti.

We are not talking about a not given penalty or some off side goal. We played without Gagliardini and Valero(he had some problem), how you are suposed to play if there was already a problem in our midfield?

Inter had the chance to play 10 vs 10 (even 9), not happend. If this was really a red card for Vecino then the Ref missed a second yellow for Barzagli (+ penalty) and the red card for Pjanic. But why im saying that there was the second for Barzagli too?
If the Ref has balls to give Vecino after 20 minute the red card, it means that you are very strict. I never saw a red card for such a foul specialy after 20 minute.
Based on this, we all expected too see a game with many yellow cards, hard decisions (penaltys, many VAR checks, etc.)
He just continued as it was a normal Serie A game, its ridicolous.

So said this: we played 10 vs 12 for 70 minutes against the actual italian champion (just a reminder, we are not talking about Benevento) We missed a player in a position where we just dont had many options on this day. How youre suposed to win this game? Some people dont see that this game was much worser then the game from 1998. Saying it was Spallettis foult its like saying that the decisions are normal errors like in every second Serie A match. But it wasn't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The fact that it happend (like most times)only in the derby di´italia makes me even more mad! And the VAR? The VAR in this game and in this league is/was PATHETIC.


We got fucking robbed, thats what happend. The only erorr made by Spaletti was too not retire the Squad from the field.
 

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NO GUYS...NO...LET'S KEEP QUIET...LET US NO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING,CERTAINLY NOT THE CALCIOPOLI WHICH IS STRONGER THAN EVER...MORE POTENT THAN THE MOGGI REGIME...TBH...

ABBASSIAMO I TONI,NON PARLIAMO DI NIENTE!

LET'S RATHER TALK ABOUT HOW SPALLO SUBBED SANTON IN FOR ICARDI...THAT SEEMS MORE RELEVANT TO THE PREVIOUS ONGOING OF THE MATCH...:eek:blivious:
 

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LET'S RATHER TALK ABOUT HOW SPALLO SUBBED SANTON IN FOR ICARDI...THAT SEEMS MORE RELEVANT TO THE PREVIOUS ONGOING OF THE MATCH...:eek:blivious:

Im not even saying this to defend Spalletti. There are just diffrent situations of wrong decisions.
Example: The Derby. We drawed 0-0 and the VAR dissalowed a regular goal. On the other side: Icardi missed 2 great chances. So at this point im more the kind of person to say "we lost thanks to our Team which was not able to score from in front of the goal" because we are talking about one wrong decision. The game against Juve was just totaly diffrent, there are no team that would win such a game without luck. It was a thing that affect the whole game.

Or what about Real Bayern yesterday? Bayern played a great game and are right saying "we lost thanks to 2 wrong decisions", you cant do much more against a good Real Madrid, they deserved more.
People saying things like "Without Ulreich we would win" are delusional like the people who said that Spalettis sub was the main error of this game. This people are :palm:
im the first one to criticize players and coach when Inter plays bad. But against Juve it was just diffrent, you cant say much about our perfomance. The decisions just created a way too let have Juve a easier game. And i dont like to play with this circumstances. The first one who lost this game is just the Ref, nobody else.
We are not playing to have a chance against this corruption, thats what i want to say. When i see a game without this kind of handicap then i will say that Spaletti lost the game or the players.
 
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Im not even saying this to defend Spalletti. There are just diffrent situations of wrong decisions.
Example: The Derby. We drawed 0-0 and the VAR dissalowed a regular goal. On the other side: Icardi missed 2 great chances. So at this point im more the kind of person to say "we lost thanks to our Team which was not able to score from in front of the goal" because we are talking about one wrong decision. The game against Juve was just totaly diffrent, there are no team that would win such a game without luck. It was a thing that affect the whole game.

Or what about Real Bayern yesterday? Bayern played a great game and are right saying "we lost thanks to 2 wrong decisions", you cant do much more against a good Real Madrid, they deserved more.
People saying things like "Without Ulreich we would win" are delusional like the people who said that Spalettis sub was the main error of this game. This people are :palm:
im the first one to criticize players and coach when Inter plays bad. But against Juve it was just diffrent, you cant say much about our perfomance. The decisions just created a way too let have Juve a easier game. And i dont like to play with this circumstances. The first one who lost this game is just the Ref, nobody else.
We are not playing to have a chance against this corruption, thats what i want to say. When i see a game without this kind of handicap then i will say that Spaletti lost the game or the players.

just imagine if icardi stayed on the field and santon didnt enter that would have been a whole different story . btw even spal him self appologised for that substituion
 

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just imagine if icardi stayed on the field and santon didnt enter that would have been a whole different story . btw even spal him self appologised for that substituion

youre right but like i said: the point is that we are not talking about a normal game where you can say that the main problem was the sub from Spalletti. The Handicap in this game just made things complicated the whole game.
Before critize Spalletti first immagine how the game would be 10 vs 10 or even 10 vs 9.
 

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Can i see the ungiven penalty you are all talking about and Barzagli's start?
 

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youre right but like i said: the point is that we are not talking about a normal game where you can say that the main problem was the sub from Spalletti. The Handicap in this game just made things complicated the whole game.
Before critize Spalletti first immagine how the game would be 10 vs 10 or even 10 vs 9.

the man him self admitted his mistake

http://sempreinter.com/2018/04/30/l...esponsibility-for-icardi-santon-substitution/

I dont know why are you still defending his mistake . Anyway its not the problem the problem is that if we dont make to UCL . Some of you have gotten so well with it ....
 

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youre right but like i said: the point is that we are not talking about a normal game where you can say that the main problem was the sub from Spalletti. The Handicap in this game just made things complicated the whole game.
Before critize Spalletti first immagine how the game would be 10 vs 10 or even 10 vs 9.
I think all the interistis and supporters of other italian teams who hate rube were all hoping that Inter are going to defeat 10 vs 12 which would be a happy end to the unfairness done by mafia, that good will always win the bad and when you thought you are going to witness this full satisfaction it all turned out the other way. You should understand the level of disappointment.
As for the subs, it would be much logical if it was Ranochia to Icardi who would easily clear aerial crosses constantly made by rube, but instead he fielded the guy who wasn't playing regularly, who when had chances made disastrous mistakes that costed us points and as a result he made terrible errors again. Do you think people should have reacted as if it was acceptable? come on
 
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when Icardi equalized...I threw away my Inter jersey...JJM#10
When Pero made Barzagli score OG...I threw away my shorts...hence the...undies
When Cuadrardo equalized...I was just...eh...I was..."didn't see that one coming"...sarcastically
Put my shorts back on...
When fatboy scored...I punched the nearest wall in anger...almost broke all my fingers...:eek:blivious:

if we held on to the win...I would probably jerk one out...
if we drew I would be proud still,very much so

but IN RUBE MAFIA LAND....satisfaction isn't allowed against Rube and their band of RUBE REFS!MAFIAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

fuck this league...it's not gonna get better...the Rube mafia control everything...The Bundesliga is at least fair...you know BM has the best team with no cheating there...here in the Apennine Peninsula...they just keep robbing the rest of the 19 teams...game after game and everything is ok...VAR or NO VAR!
How could Orsato use VAR for the Vecino situation! IT'S NOT ALLOWED APPARENTLY!
and what happened?! NOTHING,FIGC AND THE REF ORG. ARE BOUGHT BY RUBE AS WELL!

I'm just...I had enough of this BS...
it's about justice...not our position on the table!

- - - Updated - - -

https://twitter.com/guido_vaciago/s...ke-news-si-rimangia-la-moviola-di-inter-juve/

watch how Barzagli fouled Icardi in the PK area...clean PEN! AND NOTHING HAPPENED!

AH yes TuttoRubeShit crying how Skriniar should have been sent off and Matuidi should have won a pen...

MAFIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! ERASE THEM FROM EXISTANCE!
 

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Can i see the ungiven penalty you are all talking about and Barzagli's start?

jjm found it, here
https://twitter.com/guido_vaciago/s...ke-news-si-rimangia-la-moviola-di-inter-juve/

reminds me of this foul
1:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw4yEqB1x-Q

I think all the interistis and supporters of other italian teams who hate rube were all hoping that Inter are going to defeat 10 vs 12 which would be a happy end to the unfairness done by mafia, that good will always win the bad and when you thought you are going to witness this full satisfaction it all turned out the other way. You should understand the level of disappointment.
As for the subs, it would be much logical if it was Ranochia to Icardi who would easily clear aerial crosses constantly made by rube, but instead he fielded the guy who wasn't playing regularly, who when had chances made disastrous mistakes that costed us points and as a result he made terrible errors again. Do you think people should have reacted as if it was acceptable? come on

This is just my point. You cant say that we lost because of a sub. Inter was penalized the whole game man..
 

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I don't possibly see how that is a penalty. It looked like nothing in real time to me, it still looks like nothing to me after examining replays.

As for the Barzagli foul outside the box on Icardi, some were saying that was a red, but a yellow was the correct decision in my eyes.
Icardi was the first to touch the ball.

If the Vecino was a red then the one from barzagli was a red too, simply.
 

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If the Vecino was a red then the one from barzagli was a red too, simply.

I don't like this at all. The ideal scenario would be objectivity for each call as if each call happened in a vacuum, completely isolated from influence of prior calls or any other occurrences in the match.

Vecino's impact was a "stomp" which is always more severely viewed than a slide tackle like Barzagli's. As I stated already, I agree with the yellow for Barzagli, and I agree with GdS analysis that Vecino's was an "orange card". In those instances it's always better to have given a yellow to Vecino, but one fuckwit decision does not excuse, allow or condone other fuckwit decisions in the other decision. That is how you end up with compensatory bias. Orsato was a fucking disgrace because he missed the big, big call which was to send off Pjanic.
 

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There are always lot of perception in the calls, obviously. When the referee start making calls in the match, he should be consistent. So that the players can adjust to his perception level. Now he goes and he gives a red card for a reckless but accidental stomp at 17th minute. No warning to players that this is not tolerated, straight red. That sets a certain perception level for the match. From that point on the perception should be the same, but obviously it was not.

To me there is no objectivity in that sense. You can be a hard ass or more lenient one but don't change from one to another during the match. That's what you call fucking disastrous refereeing work.
 

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Moratti: 'Inter-Juve return to the past'
By Football Italia staff

Massimo Moratti felt the controversy in Inter’s loss to Juventus “felt like a return to the past. There are many things that don’t add up.”

The debate continues to rage over refereeing decisions in the 3-2 Juve victory, above all the Matias Vecino straight red and failure to give Miralem Pjanic a second yellow card.

“For many Interisti, it was like a return to the past and you suddenly feel you are back there in the middle of what you experienced before,” said the former President at a public event.

“We’ve been the victims of strange situations. Games like the one we had on Saturday make us feel even more committed to supporting Inter.

“It was heroic to stay in the game for that long until the 85th minute and we could’ve done it for another five.”

Vecino was sent off using VAR technology, but the consistency of the refereeing remains an issue.

“I think VAR is very important, because it takes away all doubt. It was absolutely right to introduce it in Serie A, as we saw in the recent Champions League games that missing VAR really takes something away from you.

“Having said all of that, behind the VAR screen is still a person and therefore someone who might not necessarily see things the same way as another official.

“To be honest, I felt a lot of anxiety watching the game, because the Pjanic foul was part of the warfare we saw on the pitch and it felt like every moment was going to bring a new incident.

“Then he made another foul on Cancelo. There are many things that don’t add up.”

Moratti was asked if this was part of an on-going thread of Inter protests from the Mark Iuliano challenge on Ronaldo in 1998, which later became an emblem of the Calciopoli scandal that saw two Juve titles revoked in 2006.

“I wouldn’t compare that with what happened on Saturday. I can say that I saw the footage again recently from 1998 and I still don’t understand how Ceccarini could say it was Ronaldo’s foul.”
 
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