Marco Branca

pencilpal said:

Hernanes was also bound to come to Inter, but we didn't have a non-EU spot ready for him.

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And look who came up the winner in the end. Bought him for 10, used him a few years, sold him in the twilight of his years for 15-20 mill.

pencilpal said:

And there's MUCH more to being a sporting director than the mercato.

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As I said that's all I'm judging it on.

Fapuccino said:

The Yilmaz transfer was actually done, but his agent demanded a fee for himself (something like 1-2 mill) personally last minute, and Lotito pulled the plug.

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Keep in mind that's what happened ONLY according to Lotito' likely it's bullshit to appease the radical Lazio fans (who were awaiting Yilmaz's arrival)

The agent of Arsenal and Chelsea target Burak Yilmaz has explained why his client failed to secure a summer move to Lazio.

The Italian club seemed to be closing in on a deal to land the Galatasaray goal machine, who has netted 59 times in his last 67 appearances in the Turkish top-flight.

But the transfer window closed without Yilmaz making the switch, which could encourage the Premier League trio if they are in need of attacking reinforcements this January.

Lazio president Claudio Lotito slammed the striker's agent, Ali Egesel, accusing him of requesting a sizeable fee for the transaction and blamed him for the move breaking down.

But now Egesel, who last month confirmed there has been interest from England in the striker, has responded to the claims and says that the Serie A side's 'lack of seriousness' was the problem.

"We had reached agreement on the terms of the Burak," he is quoted as saying on Calciomercato. "I had accepted the offer from Lotito.

"But the last request from Galatasaray was a fee of €11m plus €4m [in add-ons]. Lazio responded by offering €9.5m plus €2m.

"This can be seen also from the lack of seriousness by the leadership. I have not hindered any negotiation."

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on your part tbh

If they had a better coach they could have gotten even greater results.

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Reja has done outstandingly well with Lazio considering his reinforcements.

Brought them from the relegation zone to serious contenders for CL qualification. Shit, iirc they missed out on it by goal difference in 10/11, and in 11/12 they were only a point behind third place.

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Fapuccino said:

And look who came up the winner in the end. Bought him for 10, used him a few years, sold him in the twilight of his years for 15-20 mill.

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If anything, Hernanes sale for 15 million perfectly demonstrates Tare's idiocy in the mercato

PSG were offering 30 million for Hernanes in the summer, and Tare relented to sell, demanding a higher fee, and yet look what eventually happened there.

He was sold to Inter for HALF of his previous value.

Ok pencilpal. Tell me this. How many currently employed directors do you think currently would do better than him given Lazio's budget?

Lazio fans are blaming anyone in charge for not winning. People dislike Lotito for not spending.

I was going over some comments in Lazio forum and this guy said it best "Not sure this is great news, tbh. Again, I don;t think it was Tare who caused the problems. If anything, he made remarkable achievements with very little to work with"

I don't think some right wing nut jobs really know or care about how a club functions, they just see high figures and swear at anyone, and don't have the brain cells to properly analyze the situation.

And you can stop with the swearing.

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You can believe what you want I don't really care. I've liked Thohir's work so far, and if he does this it's another good move in my eyes. We need someone that can do a lot with very little, and personally I do not know of any people better suited for the job.

Our #1 priority should be finances. Read this article Swiss Rambler wrote on Lazio 2-3 years ago, to see how well they're being run financially.

http://swissramble.blogspot.ca/2011/09/can-lazio-achieve-success-on-cheap.html

4 years ago...

Handoyo said:

The more I watch Juve & Milan, especially the latter, the more I appreciate this guy.
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Thank you for your great work, Marco Branca. :star:

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Luka said:

We have to separate the costly buys, from cheap buys, not by the amount of money, but amount of the cash saved.

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The best prove of his amazing work, is juBe and milan fans who say: "If only we had Branca..."

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marchs10 said:

GRANDE Branca!

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ElCuchu said:

Inter should build a statue of him in front of Meazza.

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Besnik said:

Great post, thank you. :star:

GRANDE BRANCA!!!

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nutcracker said:

"real madrid offering swaping players for Maicon? Except Ronaldo and Kaka I don't see anyone there who could strengthen our team" - Branca

:star:

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When your team does well, everyone is fucking amazing. When your team doesn't do well, everyone is a piece of shit. blivious:

Fapuccino said:

You can believe what you want I don't really care. I've liked Thohir's work so far, and if he does this it's another good move in my eyes. We need someone that can do a lot with very little, and personally I do not know of any people better suited for the job.

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Marino, for one.

Our #1 priority should be finances. Read this article Swiss Rambler wrote on Lazio 2-3 years ago, to see how well they're being run financially.

http://swissramble.blogspot.ca/2011/09/can-lazio-achieve-success-on-cheap.html

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Even this article completely neglects Tare, crediting Lazio's most astute purchases to solely Lotito.

Lazio have made just as many, if not more bad than good deals. At such a frugal club, losing more than 5 million every fucking year in the mercato is terrible business.

I'd only credit the purchases of Candreva, Lulic, and Klose as strong pieces of business on the part of Lazio, but they've made far more bad moves than good.

Konko for 7 million, Stankevicius for 2 million, Cisse for 6 million, Zarate for 20 million, Ciani for 4 million, Alfaro for 3 million, and Floccari for 9 million in the last 3 years are some examples

Hell, spending 8 million for Felipe Anderson or Lucas Biglia is surely overpaying; hence why Tare is renowned to be a poor negotiator.

Sabatini, on the other hand, is extremely limited to scouting talented young players. But to compare Tare to him is absolutely ridiculous, and I'd much rather Walter than Tare or Branca, but that isn't to say Sabatini has his faults.

That post was simply meant to discredit the football knowledge of most Lazio fans. Contrary to popular belief, Lazio is actually being very well run, the only problem is spending.

They were used to the days when Lazio was breaking spending records, and are pissed that they're no way near to winning the title.

But both Lotito and Tare have done a good job keeping the budget balanced. That is what I want to see at Inter. Breaking even, while still managing to sign players like Marchetti, Candreva, Klose, Hernanes, etc... within the space of 3 years.

But the countless amounts of flops speak for themselves.

Also, again, Tare has ZERO testicular fortitude, and is practically a figurehead (for Lotito).

You're making massive assumptions about Lotito and Tare, when the reality is that most Lazio fans I know are infuriated with spending 18 million on flops in a single summer transfer window.

The fact that Tare's failures are little in comparison to Branca's terrible dealings over the years doesn't justify the Albanian's shortcomings as a technical director.

pencilpal said:

You're making massive assumptions

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blivious:

Againnn... Fuckin again...
When Pencipal posts something is gonna be like 2-3 pages full of crap...
But since this Branca thread, go ahead, I don't mind... :work:

Fapuccino said:

blivious:

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Here are the facts.

In the 2009/10 mercato, Tare spent 31.5 million on Zarate (20), Eliseu (1), Matuzalem (6.5), Barreto (3), and Hitzlsperger (1), all of whom eventually flopped at Lazio.

In the 2010/11 mercato, Tare spent 9 million on Floccari, who also flopped with the Biancoceleste.

In the 2011/12 mercato, Tare spent 17 million on Stankevicius (2), Konko (6), Cisse (6), and Alfaro (3), all of whom flopped at Lazio (except for Konko, but I'd argue that the Frenchman has generally been mediocre, hence why his starting berth has been displaced by Cavanda).

In the 2012/13 mercato, Tare spent 4 million on Ciani, who also flopped at Lazio.

In the 2013/14 mercato, Tare spent 19 million euros on Biglia, Anderson, and Perea, and he undoubtedly overpaid here. Don't forget he was demanding over 30 million from PSG for Hernanes, but eventually sold him for half that value (only reaping a 5 million profit from his sale over the original transfer fee paid by Lazio to Sao Paulo in 2010)

Throwing away 80.5 million euros over 4 years at a club as frugal and economically weak as Lazio is surely poor business.

Pencilpal, everyone who does not turn world class is a waste of money for you. And they're all flops. There is something called hyperbole, and it gets tiring.

Why don't you mention Marchetti, Candreva, Klose, Lulic, Hernanes, etc... as well?

Not every transfer turns out to be amazing. I love how you judge players like Biglia with only 6 months here, and he's growing day by day.

Your math is also very amazing. I'm now convinced you passed grade 3.

What you fail to consider is that Lazio is quite meagre financially speaking, so his yearly losses in the mercato reflect very poorly on his skills in the mercato (on finding talent and negotiating the price effectively)

He's done terribly in managing Lazio's limited funds effectively. And I never judged Biglia negatively, and in fact I defended him earlier in the season, but 8 million was too much for the ex-Anderlecht man. But in judging his dealings this season, what about Felipe Anderson and Bryan Perea, both very green and completely unproven South American youngsters, for a total of 11 million?

Because you think I'm not considering positive dealings in our analysis, lets try to do just that here:

09/10: There was no strong piece of business this season.

10/11: Hernanes for 13.5 million from Sao Paulo

11/12: Lulic for 3 million from Young Boys, Marchetti for 6 million from Cagliari, Klose for free from Bayern Munich

12/13: Candreva in a co-ownership deal with Udinese for 1.7 million

Positive transfers - negative transfers = 24.2 million euros - 80.5 million euros = -56.3 million euros, so the balance is still negative.

The only way the balance could be positive would be if Klose is worth 56.3 million euros, or that the GENUINE combined value of Hernanes, Lulic, Candreva, Klose, and Marchetti is equal or greater than a total of 80.5 million euros

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You can't simply neglect that MOST of his dealings in the mercato have resulted in failure, and to waste an average of around 20 million euros a year on flops is simply not sustainable for a club of Lazio's financial ability

And by your logic that the majority of Tare's transfers being flops is justified by the fact that "not every transfer turns out to be amazing," the following then stands :

Branca shouldn't be ousted, considering he's brought Julio Cruz, Cambiasso, Crespo, Figo, Maicon, Julio Cesar, Coutinho, Sneijder, Lucio, Thiago Motta, Palacio, Taider, Campagnaro, Juan Jesus, Rolando, and Handanovic all to Inter for bargain prices during his tenure as Inter's technical director.

That math of yours is fucking amazing man.

Pogba 0 euros - Isla 11 million euros

Positive transfers 0 euros - Negative transfers 11 million euros. Complete flop.

I don't understand how you can complain about random squad players like Ciani when they cost 2-3 mill, they're just back up players. What do you expect them to do? Win the CL?

Except Ciani was brought in to be a starter, to replace the aging Biava in the starting lineup (which he failed to do effectively).

But you failed to clash with my last point, which is especially important, given that it completely debunks your case for Tare.

By your logic that the majority of Tare's transfers being flops is justified by the fact that "not every transfer turns out to be amazing," the following then stands :

Branca shouldn't be ousted, considering he's brought Julio Cruz, Cambiasso, Crespo, Figo, Maicon, Julio Cesar, Coutinho, Sneijder, Lucio, Thiago Motta, Palacio, Taider, Campagnaro, Juan Jesus, Rolando, and Handanovic all to Inter for bargain prices during his tenure as Inter's technical director.

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You have to consider Tare's good AND bad deals as a technical director, and the latter certainly weighs out for the Albanian.

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And my mathematical analysis remains valid, because it's absurd to say that Klose is worth 56.3 million euros, or that the genuine combined value of Hernanes, Lulic, Candreva, Klose, and Marchetti is equal or greater than a total of 80.5 million euros

If one of those two statements were true, then your point would be acceptable.

Fapuccino said:

Pencilpal, everyone who does not turn world class is a waste of money for you. And they're all flops. There is something called hyperbole, and it gets tiring.

Why don't you mention Marchetti, Candreva, Klose, Lulic, Hernanes, etc... as well?

Not every transfer turns out to be amazing. I love how you judge players like Biglia with only 6 months here, and he's growing day by day.

Your math is also very amazing. I'm now convinced you passed grade 3.

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At this time, I'd like to coin the phrase 'PS4-Syndrome' or in short 'PS4-S'.


PS4-S definition: A trait in which a person experiences an extensive and deep involvement in football on the playstation. An individual with this trait may base his opinions on reality, derived from fantasy.

pencilpal said:

Here are the facts.

In the 2009/10 mercato, Tare spent 31.5 million on Zarate (20), Eliseu (1), Matuzalem (6.5), Barreto (3), and Hitzlsperger (1), all of whom eventually flopped at Lazio.

In the 2010/11 mercato, Tare spent 9 million on Floccari, who also flopped with the Biancoceleste.

In the 2011/12 mercato, Tare spent 17 million on Stankevicius (2), Konko (6), Cisse (6), and Alfaro (3), all of whom flopped at Lazio (except for Konko, but I'd argue that the Frenchman has generally been mediocre, hence why his starting berth has been displaced by Cavanda).

In the 2012/13 mercato, Tare spent 4 million on Ciani, who also flopped at Lazio.

In the 2013/14 mercato, Tare spent 19 million euros on Biglia, Anderson, and Perea, and he undoubtedly overpaid here. Don't forget he was demanding over 30 million from PSG for Hernanes, but eventually sold him for half that value (only reaping a 5 million profit from his sale over the original transfer fee paid by Lazio to Sao Paulo in 2010)

Throwing away 80.5 million euros over 4 years at a club as frugal and economically weak as Lazio is surely poor business.

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Don't we throw away something like that every year...

you know, using the icon so much (particularly in quite unnecessary circumstances) really makes you look like a huge asshole.

Just gonna throw that out there.

#Branca4LGI get in.

He did an amazing job up until the 2010/2011 season then I don't know what happened.