Zdravko Kuzmanovic

[LyNX]

Kuz is a decent sub, but he's not a starter. Personally he brings nothing to the table that any other player couldn't bring. As far as I can tell the only thing he brought to our games was a player who received a simple pass and played a simple pass.

If he starts this season, its going to be a rough journey, I would much rather see Benassi start.

 

[wambam]

Kuz is a decent sub, but he's not a starter. Personally he brings nothing to the table that any other player couldn't bring. As far as I can tell the only thing he brought to our games was a player who received a simple pass and played a simple pass.

If he starts this season, its going to be a rough journey, I would much rather see Benassi start.

It's surprising how few players know how to do that.

Kuzmanovic doesn't do it well, he's constantly giving the ball away, but I'm with pencilpal here in that I do think that we're missing someone who can do that job well.

 

[pencilpal]

Kovacic's distribution of the ball > Kuzmanovic's

Irrelevant as Kovacic's role isn't a distributor. (Kovacic) may be able to circulate the ball well around the field, but that's not his role on the pitch, and it wasn't his role in Dinamo either. Kovacic is a player who can burst forward, dribble well, and most importantly, make an assist. He's a playmaker, and we'll see him in the attacking part of the pitch next season for sure.

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But don't you think one could rather use that low salary on a talented youngster that could develop into a better player instead of shipping them out exactly because of the likes of Kuzmanovic and Mudingayi?

Do you know what a young player with potential and ability desperately needs?

Minutes on the pitch.

Bringing in Benassi and Pasa to just warm the bench is a terrible idea, and it will waste any potential they may have. In order to adapt to professional football from the Primavera, youngsters need to play, and certainly they can't do it here at Inter (not ready physically speaking even if they have the technical ability), which is why we ship them out to Serie B, even Serie C teams.

Kuzmanovic and Andreolli would be better choices to be on the bench as substitutes, and they definitely have the ability to be in that position.

 

[Pajo]

I want him out simply because he wont fit Mazzarris wa of playing. Mazzarri wants someone who runs, never stops running. Kuz is definitely not one of them. For the rest im not gonna talk since everything has already been said.

 

[jmaster]

I want him out simply because he wont fit Mazzarris wa of playing. Mazzarri wants someone who runs, never stops running. Kuz is definitely not one of them. For the rest im not gonna talk since everything has already been said.

Are we creating a team of players, or horses? If Mazzarri wants those kind of players, he should sign Olympic sprinters then. Location: Jamaica or Kenya.

 

[Doffy]

Kovacic is not a distributor. He occupied that role in the first few months after he came here, but later on in the season his dribbling and assists shined. Kovacic will be pushed forward into the pitch as a creative playmaker. Of course he'll help with distribution, but his role will not be to circulate the ball around the pitch.

Imho Cambiasso is far too old to even be considered. When he's in form, he's a very useful addition to the squad, but when he's not (most of the time), he's deadwood and simply useless on the pitch.

But Kuzmanovic, he's certainly a distributor.

In the central and the defensive midfield, it's useful to have a player that can move the ball around the field, where players can pass it back if they don't see opportunity. Remember that Kuzmanovic can also be played in the attacking midfield, where he did pretty well with Stuttgart in the last few seasons (because defensive responsibilities aren't as high). And he also has decent abilities as a regista and an attacking playmaker.

I'm definitely not saying he's world class, but to even rate Mudingayi higher than him is pure idiocy, and proves that you don't watch games, or rather, enough games to be making a scathing opinion about Kuzmanovic.

For his transfer fee/wages, as a substitute on the bench, and considering his qualities as a player, he should be here next season.

And don't even say that we have other distributors, because there you're dead wrong.

so kovacic will get pushed forward to am, a position he is totally unproven in? man, how can you possibly know this?
great logic to, we have a player who excels in his position deep in midfield and you want to move him up where he will be much tighter marked and will have much less freedom to do anything.

and ofcourse, you claim to have seen kuzmanovic play for stuttgart. how conveniently, and he was probably twice as good back then right? bitch please
anyone would be an upgrade tbh, someone who knows the basics of defensive positioning for starters.

and mudingayi is ten times more effective in the role he plays. there is not even a contest. only reason people were against the mudingayi signing was because of his age. other then he never played a bad game for inter. each game he played he was decent.

you obviously are in no position to tell me how to rate players. your an amateur kid, go back to school. who is this anyway, browha junior? nerazzurrininja?

 

[pencilpal]

so kovacic will get pushed forward to am, a position he is totally unproven in? man, how can you possibly know this?
great logic to, we have a player who excels in his position deep in midfield and you want to move him up where he will be much tighter marked and will have much less freedom to do anything.

and ofcourse, you claim to have seen kuzmanovic play for stuttgart. how conveniently, and he was probably twice as good back then right? bitch please
anyone would be an upgrade tbh, someone who knows the basics of defensive positioning for starters.

and mudingayi is ten times more effective in the role he plays. there is not even a contest. only reason people were against the mudingayi signing was because of his age. other then he never played a bad game for inter. each game he played he was decent.

you obviously are in no position to tell me how to rate players. your an amateur kid, go back to school. who is this anyway, browha junior? nerazzurrininja?

Well Kovacic will be pushed as an AM, because during his years in Dinamo Zagreb, he didn't play as a deep lying playmaker; rather he proved himself as an attacking holding midfielder, and in fact was lauded to have Messi-like qualities by the Croatian media for some time.

It is great logic, because unlike morons such as yourself, I know what position Kovacic exceled in, as an AM at Dinamo. He does well as a deep lying regista, but would undoubtedly be more effective as an attacking regista. Remember his run against Lazio? He got into an attacking position and then made a spectacular assist to Rocchi.

And to top it all off, you think that Mudingayi would be a more effective substitute than Kuzmanovic.
Kuzmanovic can actually pass the ball, move well without it, and has a decent shot, while Mudingayi has none of those aforementioned qualities, only some defensive prowess.

You say that Mudingayi excels in his own respective role, but we will have players that can fill in the CDM role if needed. My point is that we also need a substitute for the rest of the midfield, in the central and attacking areas of the pitch.

We need a substitute able to circulate the ball around the field, a metronome, with regista-like qualities. In this kind of role, regardless of the position, Kuzmanovic works quite well, considering his transfer fee and his wages. Even in the defensive midfield, if we have someone covering him like Nainggolan, it could work.

If say Kovacic gets injured, this could certainly happen:

Kuzmanovic Nainggolan
X​

Or conversely, if our box to box in Nainggolan or Guarin gets injured:

Kovacic
Kuzmanovic Nainggolan
​

Where X would be a hard tackling midfielder.

Now I'm not saying Kuzmanovic should be a starter, but he's good enough for the bench.

Maybe you don't understand the concept of a forum, where people share different viewpoints, and readers consider what they read in their own opinion. I'm not telling you how to rate players.

I think that you're likely insecure about your own age that you're calling me a kid, that I should be back at school. But my words of advice to you are to face the reality where rating players based on the positional need of a team, lack of alternatives, and also the strengths of a player demonstrated both at Inter and at other teams (Stuttgart, Fiorentina) is damn good logic.

And get your goddamn facts straight, because this isn't nerazzurrininja or Browha junior; look at the username, I am pencil pal for heaven's sakes.

 

[Doffy]

Because during his years in Dinamo Zagreb, Kovacic didn't play as a deep lying playmaker; rather he proved himself as an attacking holding midfielder, and in fact was lauded to have Messi-like qualities by the Croatian media for some time.

It is great logic, because unlike morons such as yourself, I know what position Kovacic exceled in at Dinamo.

He does well as a deep lying regista, but would undoubtedly do more as an attacking regista. Remember his run against Lazio? He got into an attacking position and then made a spectacular assist to Rocchi.

And to top it all of, you think that Mudingayi would be a more effective substitute than Kuzmanovic.
Kuzmanovic can actually pass the ball, move well without it, and has a decent shot, while Mudingayi has none of those aforementioned qualities, only some defensive prowess.

You say that Mudingayi excels in his own respective role, but we will have players that can fill in the CDM role if needed. But my point is that we also need a substitute for the rest of the midfield.

We need a substitute able to circulate the ball around the field, a metronome, with regista-like qualities. In this kind of role, regardless of the position, Kuzmanovic works quite well, considering his transfer fee and his wages. Even in the defensive midfield, if we have someone covering him like Nainggolan, it could work.

whaat? besides from having seen kuzmanovic play when he was still with stutgartt you have also seen kova when he still played for dynamo? and not only that he was playing as an AM aswell? or should i say advanced holding midfielder

wasnt he mainly a box to box when he played there? anyway, even if he played there regulary as am, which i dont believe. serie a, especially the bigger clubs are much better defensively. there is no telling how he would do here. it would be a huuge gamble. there is no way you could know how he would do.

you mention a run of him against lazio but he played as a regista. he was able to do that because he was much looser MARKED, he has more SPACE to MOVE. less pressure.

sigh, and mudingayi at the start of last season was more then decent. there was not a single thing he did wrong. people were waiting for him to fuck up and nothing happened, he did nothing wrong. kuzmanovic on the other hand made plenty.

If say Kovacic gets injured, this could certainly happen:

Kuzmanovic - Nainggolan
------------- X -------------​

Or conversely, if our box to box in Nainggolan or Guarin gets injured:

------------- Kovacic -------------
Kuzmanovic - Nainggolan
​

yes this could happen and it could easily turn into a disaster. he had gargano this season as partner in midfield, gargano a pure dm, and we got raped. literally raped, by small teams.

this is why i say we should get rid of him, to avert situations like that. much rather see obi for example or someone similar. a workhorse.

 

[pencilpal]

whaat? besides from having seen kuzmanovic play when he was still with stutgartt you have also seen kova when he still played for dynamo? and not only that he was playing as an AM aswell? or should i say advanced holding midfielder

wasnt he mainly a box to box when he played there?

He wasn't mainly box to box; I have absolutely no idea where that came from. He started nearly every game in Croatia as an AM, or even a winger, so you should probably secure your facts before you make ridiculous bold declarations (about both Kovacic and Kuzmanovic) instead of looking like a complete fool.

there is no telling how he would do here. it would be a huuge gamble. there is no way you could know how he would do

With Inter Kovacic has done well getting into attacking positions, and then making chances deep in the opponent's half. He should be placed initially in such positions on the field, where he can spray balls in the attacking portion of the pitch (to wingbacks, strikers, and other AMs).

Circulating the ball in the opponent's half and distributing the ball near the penalty box creates a very patient and deadly play, something Kovacic can do well.

mudingayi at the start of last season was more then decent. there was not a single thing he did wrong. people were waiting for him to fuck up and nothing happened, he did nothing wrong. kuzmanovic on the other hand made plenty.

Here's a useful tip: when you reply to a post, you should probably read its subject matter first instead of assuming I have a particular opinion. I never insulted Mudingayi, just reasserted that he's surplus, especially when he can't last 45 minutes and earns 1.5 million euros a year for a mere 15 appearances from the bench.

you mention a run of him against lazio but he played as a regista. he was able to do that because he was much looser MARKED, he has more SPACE to MOVE. less pressure.

His assumed position in that match is completely irrelevant in this discussion. Rather where he got to from said position, and what he was able to do there is much more important.

Kovacic got into an attacking position, from where he made an assist to Rocchi.
He can definitely do more in the attacking portion of the pitch, and again, he's proved it in the past with Dinamo.

But once more you're straying from my main point that Kuzmanovic is a decent substitute for the midfield.

This seems to happen a lot on this forum.

he had gargano this season as partner in midfield, gargano a pure dm, and we got raped. literally raped, by small teams.

Gargano is a pure DM, but realize that his passing is terrible. So that partnership was bound to fail.
Someone like Nainggolan, on the other hand, has a very high rate of tackles, interceptions, and blocks per match, as well as a good range of passing, would be a much better partner for Kuzmanovic.

Of course, a doble pivot of Kuzmanovic and X (new hard-tackling midfielder) would also be secure defensively speaking.

much rather see obi for example or someone similar

Obi could work, but is he able to be in the role of circulating the ball around the field? More importantly, does he have good movement off the ball?

The answer is no (compared to Kuzmanovic).

Obi, however, could be in the squad instead of Mudingayi, considering that (Obi's) best footballing attributes are work rate and defending; he could easily fulfill the CDM position.

But what Obi truly needs atm is a loan and minutes on the pitch, because he's also probably not ready to play for even 45 minutes.

 

[DARi0]

Based on the shitty 5-6 months so far: I don't think Kuzmanovic is good enough for us, so if an offer of 4-5m comes in for him, grab the opportunity and sell him FAST! He is too slow and lacks concentration and most importantly, defensive skills.

Some say he's a decent backup (that's really NOT GOOD ENOUGH if you take into consideration 9th place) and we don't need to focus on backups, we need to constantly improve (starters) and players will end up backups automatically. I don't see how he would start before Cambiasso or Mudingayi, especially for Mazzarri`s team! Many people here on FIF don't want to see Cambiasso a stater any more, so that's being 3rd reserve to other 2 reserves... we should cash in on him as long as (german) clubs are interested.

I would also much rather keep Mudingayi than him.
We need & deserve a better midfielder for his position - especially that the squad should be cut short now that we are out of Europa competition!

 

[Wallace]

Are we creating a team of players, or horses? If Mazzarri wants those kind of players, he should sign Olympic sprinters then. Location: Jamaica or Kenya.

It's quite different in purely sprinting and sprinting with the ball.

In essence, we're trying to get players who can do both, that would be the ideal archetypical player in Mazzarri's mind, but that's difficult to find, so we're aiming for players who are better at running than playing to players who are better at playing than running.

i.e. Instead of 50% running 50% skills, we'd be looking for 60% running 40% skills, or even 70% running 30% skills.

In simpler terms, we're looking for 'atheletes', rather than 'football players'. That's Mazzarri's preference, and we should give what the coach wants so that he could do his job.

 

[Fitzy]

Wall-ass

 

[Wobblz]

It's quite different in purely sprinting and sprinting with the ball.

In essence, we're trying to get players who can do both, that would be the ideal archetypical player in Mazzarri's mind, but that's difficult to find, so we're aiming for players who are better at running than playing to players who are better at playing than running.

i.e. Instead of 50% running 50% skills, we'd be looking for 60% running 40% skills, or even 70% running 30% skills.

In simpler terms, we're looking for 'atheletes', rather than 'football players'. That's Mazzarri's preference, and we should give what the coach wants so that he could do his job.

We should seriously look into Ethiopian and Jamaican football leagues for some talent then.

 

[JJM]

@tancredipalmeri: West Ham have contacted Inter for Serbia international Kuzmanovic, according to Sky Italy

 

[wambam]

You guys are making a desire for hard-working players sound like it's the most ridiculous idea ever, and that confuses me. Are 11 lazy fucks more appealing? What's the deal here?

 

[Wallace]

Hardworking players is the way to go, we should aim to have the fitness and stamina like the Germans.

Creativity isnt so much a problem when you can out run the opponent the whole 90 mins. When the opponents get tired out, we can carve their defense open.

We dominated Serie A with Mancini using this approach, and we can replicate this idea to instigate our renaissance.

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[wambam]

Hardworking players is the way to go, we should aim to have the fitness and stamina like the Germans.

Creativity isnt so much a problem when you can out run the opponent the whole 90 mins. When the opponents get tired out, we can carve their defense open.

Whether you actually mean that or not, I have no interest in trying to decode the post right now, but that is genuinely what I believe in.

 

[Wallace]

Whether I stand by this viewpoint is not important. I am very open minded to ideas, and I dont really care which ever idea we adopt. Its our implementation thats important, i.e. whether we do it well and better than existing implementations.

Thinking back now, we have definitely let Muntari go too easily and cheaply. He would be a very useful core to base our implementation on with this idea.

He had the legs and runs into the box to score, but its too late now, we have to find other Muntaris.

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[pencilpal]

Whether I stand by this viewpoint is not important. I am very open minded to ideas, and I dont really care which ever idea we adopt. Its our implementation thats important, i.e. whether we do it well and better than existing implementations.

Thinking back now, we have definitely let Muntari go too easily and cheaply. He would be a very useful core to base our implementation on with this idea.

He had the legs and runs into the box to score, but its too late now, we have to find other Muntaris.

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[Nyall]

Whether I stand by this viewpoint is not important. I am very open minded to ideas, and I dont really care which ever idea we adopt. Its our implementation thats important, i.e. whether we do it well and better than existing implementations.

Thinking back now, we have definitely let Muntari go too easily and cheaply. He would be a very useful core to base our implementation on with this idea.

He had the legs and runs into the box to score, but its too late now, we have to find other Muntaris.

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