WWE

[Alessandro]

On another note, I watched Bring It To The Table on the Network last night with Heyman and JBL. Biggest load of corporate, pro-WWE bullshit I've seen in a while. A slap in the face to fans. It was basically saying if you don't like the product, stop watching. As if it's that simple. The bottom line, however, is that one third of their audience has done exactly that over the last 10 years.

Totally agree. Both Paul and JBL are WWE apologists which really works against this type of show. Though I enjoyed it and it definitely has potential. In regards to the 3hr Raw item in particular, JBL doesn't address the average creative. All well and good at how much revenue is earned but Raw shouldn't be 3 hours at the detriment of the product. Look at the ratings!

 

[TheNetworkZ]

I think Smackdown still can and will improve, but it's certainly the show I look forward to watching. It seems they're a bit more lenient on the scripting of promos on Smackdown. Either that, or the writers are writing better material for each character. You also get less of a feeling that things are done just to fill time, as they do on Raw.

Raw also has a few struggles they have to put up with Smackdown don't:

Raw
- Still trying to get Roman over, all while he is holding their midcard title doing nothing with it, challenging for the world title
- Struggling to fill 3 hours
- Confusing as hell tag division, although Cesaro and Sheamus have been fun to watch
- Just weird cruiserweight division stuff going on...
- Trying to get a relatively new main eventer over as a world champion (although this is one of the few things that have been working greatly)
- Due to lack of diverse talent to bounce between midcard and main event scenes we have seen the same matches consistently the past few months, all involving Roman, Seth, Y2J, and Owens. I expect Braun to be the 5th top guy by the end of the month.

Smackdown on the other hand:
- Established world known wrestler as the world champion feuding with John Cena, a dream match for over a decade now
- 2 hours, straight to the point
- Small-but big enough women and tag divisions
- Perfect mix between established wrestlers like Dolph and Orton with new guys like Corbin and AA
- Midcard title picture has been great so far with Miz, Dolph, and now Ambrose joining in...Raw has just been horrible here
- Smaller roster meaning more interactions between all the wrestlers, different matches, and just general different things happening every week except during that awful Ambrose-Styles-Ellsworth feud


I mean yeah a lot of this stuff can be blamed on sub-par writing but I do think Raw has gotten the short end of the stick on a few things, but they brought this all on themselves to begin with.

 

[ScottishInterista]

Smackdown actually uses all its talent well unlike raw who spends the time trying to get Roman over

 

[Fitzy]

Meltzer gave the Okada-Omega match 6 stars. Best match of all time in his opinion. Hard to disagree.

 

[thatdude]

Can someone explain to me the difference between Raw and Smackdown? Besides the fact they're on different nights. When I was growing up they were the same thing.

 

[Provenzano]

I think they never been the same thing. The wrestlers from Raw are different from these from Smackdown or just I think so. In truth, I haven't seen this show for more than 10 years.

 

[Fitzy]

This English commentary is absolutely brutal...worse than Cole with Josh Matthews

I really liked when JR used to commentate for NJPW

I watched it with Japanese commentary. As soon as I heard Kevin Kelly was going to be on the English feed I steered away from it.

JR will be doing commentary for AXS TV as it airs the entire event over the rest of the month.

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Can someone explain to me the difference between Raw and Smackdown? Besides the fact they're on different nights. When I was growing up they were the same thing.

They recently split the rosters over the 2 shows, as they did back in 2002 (I think that was the year). Different writers on both shows as well. Slightly different presentations in terms of camera angles etc, but both still have that slick WWE production.

 

[Fitzy]

Raw also has a few struggles they have to put up with Smackdown don't:

Raw
- Still trying to get Roman over, all while he is holding their midcard title doing nothing with it, challenging for the world title
- Struggling to fill 3 hours
- Confusing as hell tag division, although Cesaro and Sheamus have been fun to watch
- Just weird cruiserweight division stuff going on...
- Trying to get a relatively new main eventer over as a world champion (although this is one of the few things that have been working greatly)
- Due to lack of diverse talent to bounce between midcard and main event scenes we have seen the same matches consistently the past few months, all involving Roman, Seth, Y2J, and Owens. I expect Braun to be the 5th top guy by the end of the month.

I think, if anything, this title reign has damaged Owens considerably. He has been made out to be a joke more than anything. The entire Jericho-Owens story belongs in the mid-card. What's the quote? "Funny don't draw money".

On your point about the same matches happening every week, you'd see less of that if Raw wasn't 3 hours.

Smackdown on the other hand:
- Established world known wrestler as the world champion feuding with John Cena, a dream match for over a decade now
- 2 hours, straight to the point
- Small-but big enough women and tag divisions
- Perfect mix between established wrestlers like Dolph and Orton with new guys like Corbin and AA
- Midcard title picture has been great so far with Miz, Dolph, and now Ambrose joining in...Raw has just been horrible here
- Smaller roster meaning more interactions between all the wrestlers, different matches, and just general different things happening every week except during that awful Ambrose-Styles-Ellsworth feud


I mean yeah a lot of this stuff can be blamed on sub-par writing but I do think Raw has gotten the short end of the stick on a few things, but they brought this all on themselves to begin with.

Honestly, the only thing Raw has that is a legitimate handicap is the 3 hours. Apart from Cena, Styles and maybe Orton, Raw has all of the top stars in the company. They also seemingly have the advantage of being able to bring in stars like Lesnar, Goldberg, etc. The major problem with Raw is poor to embarrassing creative and the need for the re-casting of face/heel roles.

 

[Universe]

Yes.

 

[TheNetworkZ]

NXT Spoilers

Spoiler: Spoiler

Chris Hero returned as Kassius Ohno in the taping for the final NXT episode before Takeover.

Also there are rumours of Kyle O'Reilly signing with WWE. I hope it's true, if he's booked as a strong shoot-style wrestler I think he'll do well.

 

[chipschups]

When Smackdown can made us curious about bizzare thing like La Luchadora, its clear SDL >>>>>>> RAW lmao

RAW wouldnt go nowhere if vince still trying to shove Roman Lames week in week out, made US tittle wasted and unworthy while on SDL the Miz easily leveled up Intercontinental tittle prestige.

 

[ScottishInterista]

On the La Luchadora note who do you think it is, doubt its Sascha or Nia as Alexa said and it doesnt seem to have the right body type for any of the other women on the roster

 

[chipschups]

On the La Luchadora note who do you think it is, doubt its Sascha or Nia as Alexa said and it doesnt seem to have the right body type for any of the other women on the roster

its all over the web, says it will be Mickey James but now played by other people.

 

[Fitzy]

Rumour is Deonna Purrazzo has been the one playing La Luchadora.

 

[Fitzy]

Reigns vs Owens and Jericho in a US Title handicap match announced for next week's Raw. Firstly, that makes no fuckin' sense. Secondly, big fuckin' yawn.

 

[TheNetworkZ]

Not sure why Jericho didn't just win the US title last Raw...that was so stupid. Roman not being DQ'd made no sense.

 

[ScottishInterista]

So this better be Roman dropping the title, Jericho holding it through to Mania, dropping it to a younger talent and leaving to go back to fozzy? Makes sense considering his age that he cant continue doing a full time schedule

 

[Efrain21C]

its all over the web, says it will be Mickey James but now played by other people.

Maybe Tamina Snuka!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Can someone explain to me the difference between Raw and Smackdown? Besides the fact they're on different nights. When I was growing up they were the same thing.

Two different rosters with different storylines and payper views... WWE has 19 ppv in a year now if I recall correctly, there are some months that there will be combinated pay per views, but each brand has their independent shows

Makes things more interesting tbh, for the fast 8 - 11 years Smackdown was just used to try few matches before RAW, because the same fight done on SD was then done in RAW

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So this better be Roman dropping the title, Jericho holding it through to Mania, dropping it to a younger talent and leaving to go back to fozzy? Makes sense considering his age that he cant continue doing a full time schedule

You know what happens to people that say that Jericho can't make a full schedule because of his age?????????

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Reigns vs Owens and Jericho in a US Title handicap match announced for next week's Raw. Firstly, that makes no fuckin' sense. Secondly, big fuckin' yawn.

I've been skipping most of RAW lately, and all of this is because of things like this, for the 1912378890th time we're going to see Reigns vs Jericho or Owens......

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Rumour is Deonna Purrazzo has been the one playing La Luchadora.

From losing to everyone in NXT to be in the spotlight of Smackdown live, even if it's not going to be her when she's revealed as the luchadora, she's getting a nice push because management can see how she reacts with a bigger crowd

 

[Fitzy]

Owens is dropping that title at the Rumble. Reigns-Strowman in the piss-break match at Mania. Fuck me...

 

[ScottishInterista]

Hated the fact Strowman was looking at the TV during the Undertaker segment, if they face i'll be so disappointed.