UEFA Champions League 2019/2020

[Adriano]

the psg stars played like amateurs, idk if their fitness isn't 100% or what, but they just looked so awful out there

 

[Il Drago]

About 16 months ago, Barcelona was tied for 3rd in all-time European Cup/Champions League wins.

Now, they're 5th.

Just tragic.

Do you know what's really tragic for Barca? They have to pay 5m to Liverpool as a bonus for Coutinho winning CL with Bayern.

 

[forzainter257]

That's tragicomic

 

[Coasterfreek]

good. PSG lost

 

[delaurentis]

Do you know what's really tragic for Barca? They have to pay 5m to Liverpool as a bonus for Coutinho winning CL with Bayern.

I will use this as a sig, because it's just to hilarious.

 

[Palatiga]

If PSG still has buffon instead of navas they would’ve won
Given his long time relationship with orsato

 

[Il Drago]

I will use this as a sig, because it's just to hilarious.

By all means.

 

[Palatiga]

Do you know what's really tragic for Barca? They have to pay 5m to Liverpool as a bonus for Coutinho winning CL with Bayern.

this is not true though

There's no CL winning clause on the deal

 

[Il Drago]

That's what it was reported few days ago.

https://www.goal.com/en/news/coutinho-contract-clause-will-barcelona-pay-liverpool-if/2qmyo60uibdj1tfdzfxb1vt4p

 

[Palatiga]

That's what it was reported few days ago.

https://www.goal.com/en/news/coutinho-contract-clause-will-barcelona-pay-liverpool-if/2qmyo60uibdj1tfdzfxb1vt4p

im too lazy to find old source, but its already confirmed as fake news a week ago,
you can ask your liverpool friend, or try to find other reliable source, this is just recycled fake news (first time it come out was after bayern beat barca 8-2)

liverpool already received 155 millions before the CL final, and the last 5 millions is appearances bonus

 

[Shark]

What would have been the score between this Bayern and the Inter of 2009/10?

 

[brehme1989]

What would have been the score between this Bayern and the Inter of 2009/10?

2009-10 Bayern was a better team. This one just has more flashy, individualistic players and due to the times we live in, is more stacked. Apart from Lewandowski and Neuer, no one else is a big time performer, while Muller has turned to shit whereas before he could do the damage out of nowhere. Possibly Perisic also fits the bill here.

The previous Bayern had Robben, Ribery, Lahm, Schweinsteiger, plus guys like Olic and Klose on the roster. They were also more competition proven as they had faced difficult opponents in both Germany and Europe, which helps build character.

Football is different now, but I'd say based on what we've seen the best XI of 09-10 Bayern would probably defeat the 19-20 more times than not. If you want their benches to play against each other, then this one has the edge as most top teams are vastly stacked when compared to the squads before the early 2010s. Say hello to FFP for that.

 

[Universe]

Open question:

Does Gnabry deserve to be mentioned among the best wingers in the world like more popular names such as Mane, Salah, Politano etc? Or is he just a good-excellent player bolstered by a strong team/system?

 

[Javier'sSon]

As someone who watched the grand total of 17 minutes of him playing I would say the latter.

 

[brehme1989]

Open question:

Does Gnabry deserve to be mentioned among the best wingers in the world like more popular names such as Mane, Salah, Politano etc? Or is he just a good-excellent player bolstered by a strong team/system?

Strong team & system player.

Most of these hyped "great wingers" thrive on the weak side and don't really impress you when they are more ball dominant. That's not evidence of individual quality but team dominance. He ain't half bad, but that Zirkzee kid looks much more promising.

 

[Bergpavian]

2009-10 Bayern was a better team. This one just has more flashy, individualistic players and due to the times we live in, is more stacked. Apart from Lewandowski and Neuer, no one else is a big time performer, while Muller has turned to shit whereas before he could do the damage out of nowhere. Possibly Perisic also fits the bill here.

The previous Bayern had Robben, Ribery, Lahm, Schweinsteiger, plus guys like Olic and Klose on the roster. They were also more competition proven as they had faced difficult opponents in both Germany and Europe, which helps build character.

Football is different now, but I'd say based on what we've seen the best XI of 09-10 Bayern would probably defeat the 19-20 more times than not. If you want their benches to play against each other, then this one has the edge as most top teams are vastly stacked when compared to the squads before the early 2010s. Say hello to FFP for that.

Eh? Bayern started with Butt, Van Buyten, Demichelis, Badstuber and Altintop. Butt only played because Rensing was shit. Badstuber was in his first season and Van Buyten and Demichelis behind their prime. Okay, Altintop only played because Ribery wasn't available, but still ... Van Bommel and Olic also weren't world-beaters. Olic was only a stopgap. And their bench was largely shit as you implied.

I also don't know what's with this fairy tale of Müller being shit for seasons:

2014/15: 39 goal participations in 48 games
2015/16: 44 goal participations in 49 games
2016/17: 26 goal participations in 42 games
2017/18: 33 goal participations in 45 games
2018/19: 25 goal participations in 45 games
2019/20: 40 goal participations in 50 games



Btw: Was Neuer really that good yesterday? I think he had some nice saves, but PSG wasn't that dangerous and Neuer had some problems with playing out from behind.

 

[brehme1989]

I didn't say he was shit for seasons, I said he turned to shit

Goal participations doesn't mean that much in the bigger picture. How many goals did Bayern score in the previous seasons compared to this one for example? What's the % of his participation in total goals, given that's the way you wanted to showcase this, in all these seasons?
But my point is that he's not a very influential player anymore, at least on the pitch.

Also, I agree that Bayern's roster back then does not look as impressive, but that's because football has changed. Everything from 2012 and on has changed the landscape. But that still doesn't negate the fact that Bayern at the time had more leadership players. Van Bommel for example is a one of these guys. Not the best, but he's a leader. Olic was pretty much similar to Mandzukic, a refuse to lose type of player.

Apart from Neuer and Lewandowksi, none other imo would take the 2010 Bayern a level up. Robben and Ribery on the other hand would walk into 2020 Bayern, as would Lahm and Schweinsteiger.

 

[rockball]

Open question:

Does Gnabry deserve to be mentioned among the best wingers in the world like more popular names such as Mane, Salah, Politano etc? Or is he just a good-excellent player bolstered by a strong team/system?

Gnabry, Coman, are both fairly average players. There was a reason why Perisic and Coutinho played that much over the season.

Edit: Not average, but nowhere close to being elite wingers. You get the point.

 

[Bergpavian]

I didn't say he was shit for seasons, I said he turned to shit

Nah, but that's somehow a myth that goes around on FIF ...

Goal participations doesn't mean that much in the bigger picture. How many goals did Bayern score in the previous seasons compared to this one for example? What's the % of his participation in total goals, given that's the way you wanted to showcase this, in all these seasons?
But my point is that he's not a very influential player anymore, at least on the pitch.

Normally I'd agree but with this stats you don't have to calculate much more. Otherwise you can say Lewandowksi isn't an influential too because this season was the first time he delivered for Bayern in the KO-round of the CL. And this year f. e. Müller was essentiell for the turnaround in the Bundesliga.

But here the % of his participation in total goals (didn't find stats for his first two season ... okay, I was too lazy):

2011/12 - 26%
2012/13 - 26%
2013/14 - 27%
2014/15 - 32%
2015/16 - 36%
2016/17 - 20%
2017/18 - 23%
2018/19 - 20%
2019/20 - 25%

There's a decline after the season 2015/16, but he still tooks part in a fifth or quarter of all Bayern goals.

Also, I agree that Bayern's roster back then does not look as impressive, but that's because football has changed. Everything from 2012 and on has changed the landscape. But that still doesn't negate the fact that Bayern at the time had more leadership players. Van Bommel for example is a one of these guys. Not the best, but he's a leader. Olic was pretty much similar to Mandzukic, a refuse to lose type of player.

Apart from Neuer and Lewandowksi, none other imo would take the 2010 Bayern a level up. Robben and Ribery on the other hand would walk into 2020 Bayern, as would Lahm and Schweinsteiger.

Lahm aside: Everybody from their current defence would walk into the starting line of 2009/10 Bayern. Where would Van Bommel play in this Bayern team? And to Olic: I also refuse to lose ... But man, I suck at playing football.

 

[brehme1989]

I think their current defense is overrated. Their 2010 one was slow but the whole team wasn't running so much up and down so it was set up in a way to hide that. Unless you face Sneijder and Milito. They are just different. The current one suits their current style, their former one suits their former style.

Olic was quite good though Frustrating at times, but good. Thiago is the only midfielder from the current team that by quality alone should walk into the lineup, but he lacks the personality to pull off the things that Van Bommel had to do. Game is just so different now.