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[CafeCordoba]

I hope what I heard is related to a potential takeover in advanced talks and not simply yet another management blunder...

So what did you heard and from where?

Speak!

 

[brehme1989]

So what did you heard and from where?

Speak!

Marotta doing Marotta things that under normal circumstances make no sense

 

[Puma]

Does anyone know how De Vrij’s injury is progressing?

 

[CafeCordoba]

Marotta doing Marotta things that under normal circumstances make no sense

More specific please. And again, from who you heard this?

 

[brehme1989]

More specific please. And again, from who you heard this?

Check your pm's

 

[Sawyer]

Check your pm's

Then paste it for us all to see @CafeCordoba

 

[capitano92]

GET OUUUTTTT (LEAVE!) RIGHT NOWWWWWWW, ITS THE END OF YOUUUUUU AND MEEE!!

 

[Universe]

GET OUUUTTTT (LEAVE!) RIGHT NOWWWWWWW, ITS THE END OF YOUUUUUU AND MEEE!!

 

[Abu Bader]

While the on-field product is completely Inzaghi's fault, these guys truly are the worst. They took a team that could've been an italian power, dismantled it, then hired a coach LEVELS below the one they chased out. Nothing Beppe can do to make up for owners like this.

Didn't he ask to leave?

 

[capitano92]

LMAO!

 

[Corrode]

If Xi regime still insist to sanction Russia, maybe we could see takeover process comes near. Imo i don't think US-NATO-EU let China to keep silent forever.

 

[interman]

Guys why do you think that these investment funds is a good idea, cound you please explain?
Do they love their clubs?
Do they try to build a squad?
Do they try to win a trophies?
Do they reject good offers for a star players and team legends you love?

HELL NO!


Do they want only money?

HELL YES.

The same goes for Americans also, only Liverpool is doing good, look at Manchester.


Unfortunately I can't see any passionate person (Italian maybe) who will love Inter and to the things for winning and not for money.


BTW what Ferrero family is doing? Can we ask them?

 

[.h.]

last time we had an owner like you described we almost went bankrupt as a club.

 

[interman]

last time we had an owner like you described we almost went bankrupt as a club.

He Didn't have Marotta. He was Great president with passion but terrible manager. This doesn't mean that the other will be the same.

 

[.h.]

He Didn't have Marotta. He was Great president with passion but terrible manager. This doesn't mean that the other will be the same.

Marotta operates within the parameters set by management. If we had a new owner show up who gave him a blank cheque, he'd either spend it or be replaced by someone who would.

 

[interman]

Marotta operates within the parameters set by management. If we had a new owner show up who gave him a blank cheque, he'd either spend it or be replaced by someone who would.

I think that's not completely true. Not all parameters are set. Moratti was buying mainly based on his personal opinion (not all of them but anyways). When Jose was here he bought the players we needed and we won.

To make it clear, I wish a person who loves football and will love Inter, will have a money and trust Marotta. I guess it is too much but would be great.

Marotta will always do his great things, only if you give 5 mill for salary, he will bring Dzeko for free, But if you give him 30 mill he will bring Alaba for free and so on.


What investment funds will do is to sell expensive players and replace them with young possibly talented ones and we will be the feeder club for bigger ones. On paper we will have a serious value and money but will be mediacore forever.

 

[.h.]

I think that's not completely true. Not all parameters are set. Moratti was buying mainly based on his personal opinion (not all of them but anyways). When Jose was here he bought the players we needed and we won.

To make it clear, I wish a person who loves football and will love Inter, will have a money and trust Marotta. I guess it is too much but would be great.

Marotta will always do his great things, only if you give 5 mill for salary, he will bring Dzeko for free, But if you give him 30 mill he will bring Alaba for free and so on.


What investment funds will do is to sell expensive players and replace them with young possibly talented ones and we will be the feeder club for bigger ones. On paper we will have a serious value and money but will be mediacore forever.

I'm not saying he doesnt have leeway, but the financial parameters are dictated by the club.

I dont tihnk your view on what an investment fund will do is correct. Milan, for example, dont really have any sign of that? Their net spend last summer was 65m, for example. There are other issues at the club, imho, which are causing them to lose Donna/Hakan/etc - I think the evidence for this is that in fact all of these guys have signed at pretty much comparable salaries to what Milan were offering, so it wasnt financial.


It depends what you're expecting an investment fund to do. I think there are three obvious suggestions:

1. "Add value" to Inter and then sell it for a major profit --- I think this is the most likely one, to get decent immediate return on capital and its lower risk. In this scenario, flipping players only makes sense if we get revenues in excess of the balance sheet (not book) value of the player, e.g. when we sold Lukaku that was in excess of what many of us thought would represent fair market value. There will be some reduction in costs - look at Milan as a great example - but the overall objective is to increase revenues from sponsorship, better performances, and reducing 'fat' in the costs (e.g. Vecino, Kolarov, Gags, etc etc etc)
2. Create an "asset producing" factory e.g. feeder club, and look to monetise it. -- I think this is a risky proposition, ESPECIALLY at Inter - we have a poor track record with player development and we are paying high wages for, e.g., being in the CL. Some of our top players are on wages comparable to some of the best players (e.g. Van Dijk) in the Premiership. This massively diminishes the returns - you'd be better off going to Portugal for example.
3. Sort out the stadium situation, get the construction started, and then sell - this is possible as well but I'd expect this more to align to someone with the political network in Italy, rather than an outside investor.

 

[interman]

I'm not saying he doesnt have leeway, but the financial parameters are dictated by the club.

I dont tihnk your view on what an investment fund will do is correct. Milan, for example, dont really have any sign of that? Their net spend last summer was 65m, for example. There are other issues at the club, imho, which are causing them to lose Donna/Hakan/etc - I think the evidence for this is that in fact all of these guys have signed at pretty much comparable salaries to what Milan were offering, so it wasnt financial.


It depends what you're expecting an investment fund to do. I think there are three obvious suggestions:

1. "Add value" to Inter and then sell it for a major profit --- I think this is the most likely one, to get decent immediate return on capital and its lower risk. In this scenario, flipping players only makes sense if we get revenues in excess of the balance sheet (not book) value of the player, e.g. when we sold Lukaku that was in excess of what many of us thought would represent fair market value. There will be some reduction in costs - look at Milan as a great example - but the overall objective is to increase revenues from sponsorship, better performances, and reducing 'fat' in the costs (e.g. Vecino, Kolarov, Gags, etc etc etc)
2. Create an "asset producing" factory e.g. feeder club, and look to monetise it. -- I think this is a risky proposition, ESPECIALLY at Inter - we have a poor track record with player development and we are paying high wages for, e.g., being in the CL. Some of our top players are on wages comparable to some of the best players (e.g. Van Dijk) in the Premiership. This massively diminishes the returns - you'd be better off going to Portugal for example.
3. Sort out the stadium situation, get the construction started, and then sell - this is possible as well but I'd expect this more to align to someone with the political network in Italy, rather than an outside investor.

Can't agree about Milan, I was talking about being a mediacore club under investment fund and Milan is the best example of it. Remove 2-3 players from their squad and you will receive Fiorentina. They are first because we let them with our historic fail and generally other teams are also at the lowest level, generally the whole Serie A.
They won't buy a serious stars, they lost and will lose other stars also, this is Milan and I don't want the same here.

As for your possible scenarios:

1. Depends what it bring for us, Arsenal and Tottenham two times bigger valuation than us but look at them. Manchester has 4 billion or so.
2. More likely for me.
3. Stadium is a huge investment, they have to pay for the club and I doubt that they will make a second huge invest at the same time and considering sale with profit in the nearest future.

 

[.h.]

Can't agree about Milan, I was talking about being a mediacore club under investment fund and Milan is the best example of it. Remove 2-3 players from their squad and you will receive Fiorentina. They are first because we let them with our historic fail and generally other teams are also at the lowest level, generally the whole Serie A.
They won't buy a serious stars, they lost and will lose other stars also, this is Milan and I don't want the same here.

As for your possible scenarios:

1. Depends what it bring for us, Arsenal and Tottenham two times bigger valuation than us but look at them. Manchester has 4 billion or so.
2. More likely for me.
3. Stadium is a huge investment, they have to pay for the club and I doubt that they will make a second huge invest at the same time and considering sale with profit in the nearest future.

Indeed, but Milan are (As far as reports a few months ago were saying) going to turn a *profit* this season, are favourites to win the league, and will make the CL next season. I'm envious of that position, realaly.

2 - I dont think 2 is realistic at all. Like I said, you'd be better off going to Portugal (for example) if you needed something like that.
3 - Indeed, but its an asset onto the balance sheet, so you can sell it when you sell the club and get the money back. It's also somewhere you could probably increase your valuation rapidly beyond what you put in - e.g. I wouldnt be surprised if the planning permission approval is worth tens of millions (at least)

 

[.h.]

I google translted the news from FCIN but it sounds to me like InterSpac isnt going very well. This "Its a long term project" stuff is rubbish - I'd guess these things fund raise like 80% of their money in the first two weeks of occuring, you lose hype and visibility quite quickly.

Sounds like they might release some more specific info in the summer, it'll be good to see whata the actual digits are but I still stand by what I said - this has no chaance of ever taking over Inter