The 11 November 2007 tragedy

[Serpico]

regarding the so called English model I heard that 20 police officers were injured by "fans" after the Birmingham - Villa Derby on the weekend. Can anyone confirm?.

Yes mate. Serious trouble after the game, 17 arrested outside the ground, more to follow after CCTV no doubt. Last minute winner for Villa no doubt lit the fuel for an already confrontational encounter.
No love lost when any of the West Midlands teams meet up........

 

[Zamat]

Shahz, England didn't deal with hooliganism... the events which happen each time their NT or any of their clubs leave the island proves it.

And please, don't be a fool... attendance has nothing to do with ultras. Yeah, take a Reggina game, send home the ultras, then watch 2000 people...

People don't stay at home because they're afraid to go to games... the fact that huge rivalry games -which are the most risky regarding violence- have the highest attendance proves it.
Low attendance is the result of high ticket prices and low wages, especially compared to England.

 

[Zamat]

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=479278

Seedorf's comments... interesting read.

Seedorf On The Attack: Italian Government To Blame For Violence Milan star Clarence Seedorf has blamed the Italian Government for football violence and says that the hostility and bloodshed shows how the Italian people are unhappy with how the country is being run.
Seedorf On The Attack: Italian Government To Blame For Violence


In a sensational attack, Seedorf says that the problems, which saw Lazio fan Gabriele Sandri tragically shot dead by a policeman on Sunday, are being covered by the government, who are using football as a scapegoat for their own shortcomings.

"The Government is using football for the problems in Italian society,” said the Dutch midfielder.

"They should think about shutting down the Government for a couple of weeks."

Seedorf also referred to the death of policeman Filippo Raciti, who was killed by a hooligan during riots in the Sicilian derby between Catania and Palermo in February of this year.

"The situation following the Catania riots has not changed," he added. "They [the Government] cannot blame football every time.

"The people are not happy. They are coming to the stadiums to express their feelings and their feelings are not positive. "They don't come to express their disappointment at the team.

"The whole country is lacking leadership."

 

[Handoyo]

Another evidence that ACAB.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/13/ny.shooting/index.html

 

[snake]

wtf are you talking about, i would of shot him in the head. The cops have every right in the law to shoot him, how the fukc were they meant to know it was a brush, the kid was yelling gun and the mother told them over the phone it was a gun dispute. So of course when its pointed at them they'll shoot.


and for the record, acab has to be the gayest thing ive ever heard. It almsot as gay as 'fat' frank and hamed, no its gayer.

:wallbang:

 

[mikepugs]

Seedorf's comments are interesting, to say the least.

He has some valid points, but really boils it down to a black and white issue, which it is not. I have to agree that there seems to be some social discourse in Italy, and I always hear about the Police being corrupt and terrible, so I can imagine people being disappointed with how things are being run.

As much as I despise him, I like this statement a lot:

"The people are not happy. They are coming to the stadiums to express their feelings and their feelings are not positive. They don't come to express their disappointment at the team."

It really makes a lot of sense.

 

[Handoyo]

wtf are you talking about, i would of shot him in the head. The cops have every right in the law to shoot him, how the fukc were they meant to know it was a brush, the kid was yelling gun and the mother told them over the phone it was a gun dispute. So of course when its pointed at them they'll shoot.

and for the record, acab has to be the gayest thing ive ever heard. It almsot as gay as 'fat' frank and hamed, no its gayer.

:wallbang:

20 farking times? You shot a teenager 20 farking times? Also, there were no warning shots fired in the first place. And if you've never been squeezed bloody out dry by the police, don't say ACAB is gay.

 

[snake]

i dont care about personal experience. you want the world with no cops? then go ahead, live in the jungle with gorillas.

if you want that homosexualesque acronym to make any sense it should, SCAB. 'all' for 'some'


not all arabs are terrorists, not all asians have small instruments.

 

[Handoyo]

lol OK fair enough

 

[Ronald]

the league faces suspension, hope it does, this will help us a lot with our injuries but bad for italy in Euro

 

[bennyblanco]

the league faces suspension, hope it does, this will help us a lot with our injuries but bad for italy in Euro

Good point Ronald..

Im certain the league suspension last year played a big part in our drop in form as straight after it Inter wasnt the same as before it.

Is there differences this time round?
Like Ronald said we are currently decimated by injuries and those 2 weeks off could help us in alot of ways.

Also last time the league was stopped it was later in the season and by then compared to now we were MASSIVE and fully lubricated.this time around we arent as dominant only because the squad isnt fully fit and the players at Mancio's diposal have been doing overtime because of those reasons.

Heaps of our boys need a break and im all for it..

Also it could be a time where some sort of protocals were put in place regarding the innocent loss of life in and around our stadiums...

 

[Stefan]

Stopping the league will not solve anything. This has been done time and time again. All it does is punish the innocent football fan who has nothing to do with these incidents.

The people who want to fight will just find another venue to have their fight.

Protocols are in place. They just need to be administered better.

They have the international break sort out what needs to be done but stopping calcio isn't the answer. Has never been and will never be.

This as many of the players have said is a societal problem not just a calcio problem.

Also if our lads don't get to play league football they will become rusty when the cl games come up. Some guys like matrix just coming back from injury needs games to get match fit.

 

[SHAPESHIFTER]

Stopping the league will not solve anything. This has been done time and time again. All it does is punish the innocent football fan who has nothing to do with these incidents.

The people who want to fight will just find another venue to have their fight.

totally agree.......one month,half a year....things will still be the same...stopping the game for a while is like saying: "we don't know what to do, so maybe this will do"....how? i don't see the direct link......s**t will happen then after 3 months, not tomorrow.....no solution really...

 

[Zamat]

Today was the funeral of Gabriele...

Literally almost every ultra group was represented: Inter, Milan, Sampdoria, Roma, Livorno (!!!) etc... pretty much tells everything.

 

[J zanetti]

Rival fans gather to bury shot Italian supporter
By Stephen Brown
ROME, Nov 14 (Reuters) -

Thousands of rival football fans gathered for the burial on Wednesday of an Italian supporter whose death in a police shooting triggered riots last weekend.

The government promised it would respond firmly to any further outbreaks of rioting and a priest, in his funeral sermon for Lazio fan Gabriele Sandri, urged supporters to stay calm.

"Violence will not bring justice," said parish priest Paolo Tammi. "Gabriele was not violent, he was gentle and serene. So I ask all you young people not to commit any more violence."

Police have called the shooting of 26-year-old Sandri after a brawl between fans a tragic accident. But the incident has fuelled hatred between "tifosi" (fans) and police in the country which won the soccer World Cup last year.

Family and friends of the DJ, senior politicians and thousands of fans wearing blue and white Lazio scarves, and also the colours of city arch-rivals Roma and other clubs, met the arrival of his coffin with traditional applause.

Francesco Totti, the captain of Roma and one of Italian football's biggest names, also paid his respects. Outside the church in the north-west quarter of Balduina, some fans told camera crews they would "get a beating after the funeral".

Interior Minister Giuliano Amato promises a thorough investigation into why a policeman fired two shots across a busy motorway at a carload of Lazio fans leaving a rest stop after a brawl. One of the shots killed Gabriele.
Amato has also accused fans of using the incident as an excuse to go on the rampage around the country, setting fire to cars and attacking police stations, for which two Roman youths may face terrorism charges.
"We expect a quiet funeral. But there is a question mark over what will happen after the funeral," Amato told reporters in Sardinia.

It was the second violent death linked to top league soccer this year after a policeman died in rioting outside a stadium in Sicily in February.
Some politicians want much tougher action than the soccer federation's suspension of second and third division games this weekend, when no top-flight matches are scheduled because Italy is playing Scotland in a European championship qualifier.

In February, all matches were suspended pending tougher security measures at stadiums. The disparity in measures taken has led to accusations that officials take a policeman's death more seriously than a fan's.

The February violence contributed to Italy missing out in the contest to host the Euro 2012 championship and some Serie A players say the continuing problems could force them to consider transfers abroad.

 

[tonyloo]

Im getting so fcking sick of people blaiming the police. Yeah they shot a guy, but why were they there in the first place? Because some fcking morons decided to meet up on a freeway between Rome and Turin to fight, and after that they blame the police when people die, would anyone have died if they just went to watch the game instead of fighting?

I went to Milan from Sweden to watch the game, I spent alot of money and time to be there, but 1 hour before the game they tell me that the game i cancelled because a bunch of fcking no brained hooligans fought on a freeway.

Its not the Italian government that is the problem, its the stupid fcking hooligans fault. They need to stop doing drugs and act like what they do against other teams fans is helping their team in some way.

 

[Stefan]

Im getting so fcking sick of people blaiming the police. Yeah they shot a guy, but why were they there in the first place? Because some fcking morons decided to meet up on a freeway between Rome and Turin to fight, and after that they blame the police when people die, would anyone have died if they just went to watch the game instead of fighting?

I went to Milan from Sweden to watch the game, I spent alot of money and time to be there, but 1 hour before the game they tell me that the game i cancelled because a bunch of fcking no brained hooligans fought on a freeway.

Its not the Italian government that is the problem, its the stupid fcking hooligans fault. They need to stop doing drugs and act like what they do against other teams fans is helping their team in some way.

Eyewitness accounts have said the fighting had stopped by the time the police arrived.

And offcourse this is the policeman's fault had he not shot an innocent man( Sandri from all accounts weren't involved) the game would have gone ahead.

BTW Respect to Moratti for going to the funeral. Shows his class again. Wonder whether the other serie a presidents were there?? I doubt it.

 

[brehme1989]

shahz, you'll never understand....

Pravesh, you've given 14 examples(one didn't even die and you're talking about deaths, but I'll pass on that)

Do you have any farking idea of how many die each month in England? Have you seen the memmorial sites they have outside their stadiums. There are 1-2 additions each month on average and you dare compare them with Italian hools? The English just don't get as much coverage abroad(or even in England) just because England wants to have a clear image. Every week there are hooligan fights somewhere in England and every week many get injured. That's also coz they're usually drunk when it happens and they use anything and don't think before.

England is a terrible country to compare Italy with for many reasons as far as hooliganism is concerned. And yes, English fans show their real face internationally when abroad. In Athens when the CL final was held, nobody cared about Milan fans, coz they knew that they wouldn't have to handle them with any special reasons. But with Liverpool fans, the whole city was in code red in order to react if they did something stupid. Just because the English media is good at not broadcasting incidents like this, it doesn't mean that the English are all good...

And as far as atmosphere in stadium: Italian ultras >>>>>> English drunken hools

 

[Kato]

even at my small local club the hools do more damage every week than in italy.. they stand one side of the river throwing glass bottles at away fans, no matter they be families or hools.

england is FAR worse, it's just swept well under the carpet

 

[Pravesh]

shahz, you'll never understand....

Pravesh, you've given 14 examples(one didn't even die and you're talking about deaths, but I'll pass on that)

I don't think you got what I and few others are actually trying to say YUKO.

This time it's clearly the policeman's fault BUT what led to that, is what some of us are trying to say since the very beginning. And lets not also compare England or Italy, as what we just meant to say is that a sport like football is being used for gang fights and show offs in and outside the stadium. Lets hope this game of beautiful sport would not be affected by things like gangsters and politics.

Well, I have not been to Italy or England but I can definitely say that things in this field are not going well there at all. I also disagree with those supporting the Atalanta fans who suspended the Atalanta-Milan game.

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]Bologna President Alfredo Cazzola does not agree.“It is nonsense, because we continue to follow the path of annulment rather than prevention. This way the violent figures win.

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