Tessera del Tifoso Protests

[Interista Gallese]

Can anyone explain why the Ultra' are so opposed to the tessera del tifoso. I understand the anti-constitutional argument but to be honest does it really matter that much whether people have a fan card or not? The only reason I can find for anyone to be dead against it is that it will register who goes to the stadia and subsequently it will be easier for the security forces to find someone if they cause trouble. If you don't want to cause trouble then what does it matter if you have one as you will never need to be identified. Maybe I've missed something but thats the only reason I can see.

 

[Stefan]

I personally don't see what the big deal is. I would gladly sign up for one.

 

[Luka]

I think it has something with restrictions. It might be the first step to do what's in England, when you can't move from your place.

Personaly I never understand why they can never combine the two. I mean do the monitoring, to the bannings of people from entering stadium if they deserve it, but why ban other stuff, like banners, like coreos, like megaphones, like flares.

If somebody does it for violance ban him, and that's that. But don't destroy the italian great tradition of ultras.

 

[Kato]

well seeing as things like flares are banned, these cards help them to keep track of who is using them etc. Much like the arguments against ID cards in the UK.

Tbh I feel that all these rules are ruining the feel of the ultras, and italian football in general. It used to be the anti-England, so much more free.. Now its starting to slowly get the English model forced upon it.

I'd hate it if this ended up in the stupid English ticket system etc, having to become a member to even have a chance of getting a ticket for a game, even after this you need to be rich or only go once a month or so, which ruins the whole idea of football in the first place, it was never supposed to be a rich persons sport, there are things like tennis which cover that..

Ugh, this topic gets me angry

 

[Interista Gallese]

well seeing as things like flares are banned, these cards help them to keep track of who is using them etc. Much like the arguments against ID cards in the UK.

Tbh I feel that all these rules are ruining the feel of the ultras, and italian football in general. It used to be the anti-England, so much more free.. Now its starting to slowly get the English model forced upon it.

I'd hate it if this ended up in the stupid English ticket system etc, having to become a member to even have a chance of getting a ticket for a game, even after this you need to be rich or only go once a month or so, which ruins the whole idea of football in the first place, it was never supposed to be a rich persons sport, there are things like tennis which cover that..

Ugh, this topic gets me angry

Ah ok, now I understand a bit better. Tbh I follow very little of English football so I've only a vague idea of the systems there but I wouldn't like to see them imposed in Italy either. Football should be cheap enough for people to attend as much as they like whether they be working, middle or upper class. I'd also hate to see the position of the Ultra' weakened. I've been to a few matches over the years in England and the atmosphere is terrible, to be honest even in Italy its pretty sedate unless you're in the curve. If the Ultra' weren't there anymore then there is very little difference going to a match to watching it on tv as its the noise of the stadium that makes attending special.

I'm dead against violence at football and can't see the sense in fighting over it. Its important in my life but not that important. And I would personally ban anyone who inflicts violence on another fan but having said that I think flares, banners, choreography adds so much to the spectacle that they shouldn't be removed ever, though naturally someone using a flare for violent means should be jailed.

I must look further into this topic but I would imagine that whilst I see its benefits, helping to remove violent individuals, I probably would be against it too if you're right on it being the first step towards Premier League-style stadia.

 

[Kato]

It also will make it even more difficult for fans travelling from abroad to get tickets if they impose ticket restrictions along with it.

Stopping violence is one thing, but the rest of the restrictions are stupid. Flares/smokes don't hurt anybody and add massively to the atmosphere. Though the most stupid ban in recent years was the megaphone, can't see any reason why that would be such an 'offensive' object.

English stadia are utterly boring and stupidly restricted, want a drink at half time, you can't take it back into the stands, even with soft drinks the lid must be removed or it put in a plastic cup.. Give me crazy italian style over the english any day.. Not actually sure how many games i'd go to if it turned this way.

 

[Interista Gallese]

It also will make it even more difficult for fans travelling from abroad to get tickets if they impose ticket restrictions along with it.

Stopping violence is one thing, but the rest of the restrictions are stupid. Flares/smokes don't hurt anybody and add massively to the atmosphere. Though the most stupid ban in recent years was the megaphone, can't see any reason why that would be such an 'offensive' object.

English stadia are utterly boring and stupidly restricted, want a drink at half time, you can't take it back into the stands, even with soft drinks the lid must be removed or it put in a plastic cup.. Give me crazy italian style over the english any day.. Not actually sure how many games i'd go to if it turned this way.

Agreed, same for me.

I've noticed last season the increase in restricted matches and think its appalling they effectively ban foreigners. The alcohol situation in Italy is a little strange though, sambuca and borghetti fine, beer no. Believe me I can get drunk a lot quicker on the first two!!! Flares and smoke can hurt, and anyone who uses them for this should be imprisoned, but it depends how they're used and in the majority of cases they are used properly and add to the occasion. There's more fun in a morgue than a Premier League ground so Italian style wins for me.

With the megafones it depends what's being shouted into them haha. Would you think Palermitano, B******o Africano was ok at an Inter - Palermo match?

 

[Handoyo]

Katie, I actually had the police/guard/steward in the stadium checking my bag for a water bottle, and asking me to take off the lid too before entering the Meazza.

Maybe cos I don't have the Ultras look or something hehe.

 

[Kato]

they could just regulate the usage of flares, for tifo/celebration only, anybody misusing them gets a ban.

haha as for the megaphones, it was generally only group leaders who had these, again, regulation is enough, banning them completely just shows the lack of ability to control stadio behaviour. And any insult pulled out has been heard 1000 times

 

[Interista Gallese]

Just finished reading "Steaming In" by Colin Ward. Its about 20 years old so don't know how easy it is to get hold of but anyone who wonders about the tessera del tifoso should read it particularly the epilogue. After finishing it I have to say whilst I have always been, am and always will be against football violence I have to agree the tessera is an outrageous idea.