Simone Inzaghi

[.h.]

I thought you knew our finances better than anyone here.. do you actually think the Scudetto winning team that Inzhagi took over that has slowly been taken apart bit by bit and replaced with free transfers is his vision?

Or some new coach is going to make Suning spend?

No, but thats kind of my point - there's a budget to execute against, what does a oach think they can do with that budget, and do our directors believe that that execution is going to be achieved

If there's 20mil, Inzaghi might say 3rd choice LB, a different coach might suggest some young ball playing CB to go straight into the starting line up, etc etc.

What I do know is we cant have a repeat of this season, domestically, next year - so we need to work out if Inzaghi is the right guy for us to go forward with or not, and that comes down to whether we believe his plan to avoid the problem is achievable or not.

 

[Corrode]

Conte had an impact of constructing this Inter, but he is not related to our CL run at all.

yes he had been a role to construct endless financial burden to inter actually by his 500 m spending spree!

 

[Adriano@10]

No, but thats kind of my point - there's a budget to execute against, what does a oach think they can do with that budget, and do our directors believe that that execution is going to be achieved

If there's 20mil, Inzaghi might say 3rd choice LB, a different coach might suggest some young ball playing CB to go straight into the starting line up, etc etc.

What I do know is we cant have a repeat of this season, domestically, next year - so we need to work out if Inzaghi is the right guy for us to go forward with or not, and that comes down to whether we believe his plan to avoid the problem is achievable or not.

But on the other hand if he brings us to that 4th place, this season would have been huuuuge financially for us wether or not we make the CL final would not even really matter that much.
Yet your already here screaming for his head looking at him as a failure. Also your arguing with our finances against him but again ignore that financially this will be our best year in forever thanks to Inzaghis CL run.
Also what a shitty example of inzaghi asking for a 3rd choice LB while another coach would ask for a starting CB on the same budget common now...
There is no indication of inzaghi doing anything like that...

Yes if we miss out on CL he ll probably has to leave but to scream for a coaches head when he already has the financially most successful season in forever for us and when he even has the chance to make it the best season sporting wise since the fucken trebble then maybe lets not talk about firing him before he fucks that up?

Edit: ofcourse if he lost the team than all this talk is usless and he ll have to go either way but i see very little indication of that.

 

[Harpsabu]

Important to remember inzaghi took lazio from being an average aged team to one of the oldest by the time he left. Inzaghi loves oldies

 

[varmin]

yes he had been a role to construct endless financial burden to inter actually by his 500 m spending spree!

This is an utter garbage statement, which was already widely commented in Conte's thread.

 

[.h.]

But on the other hand if he brings us to that 4th place, this season would have been huuuuge financially for us wether or not we make the CL final would not even really matter that much.
Yet your already here screaming for his head looking at him as a failure. Also your arguing with our finances against him but again ignore that financially this will be our best year in forever thanks to Inzaghis CL run.
Also what a shitty example of inzaghi asking for a 3rd choice LB while another coach would ask for a starting CB on the same budget common now...
There is no indication of inzaghi doing anything like that...

Yes if we miss out on CL he ll probably has to leave but to scream for a coaches head when he already has the financially most successful season in forever for us and when he even has the chance to make it the best season sporting wise since the fucken trebble then maybe lets not talk about firing him before he fucks that up?

Edit: ofcourse if he lost the team than all this talk is usless and he ll have to go either way but i see very little indication of that.

It was just an example. My point is that after this season, his fate should be decided not by the final result, but by the discussions and retrospective on the season behind closed doors. There are absolutely managers in this situation where you'd be like, yeah, let's keep backing you and we think you will succeed. There's also a world where we say, actually you know what we don't buy into your vision and want a change.

 

[Adriano@10]

It was just an example. My point is that after this season, his fate should be decided not by the final result, but by the discussions and retrospective on the season behind closed doors. There are absolutely managers in this situation where you'd be like, yeah, let's keep backing you and we think you will succeed. There's also a world where we say, actually you know what we don't buy into your vision and want a change.

Fair enough i 100% agree with you on that...
To me it sounded like you want him out no matter what and that just does not sound right to me ATM

 

[.h.]

Fair enough i 100% agree with you on that...
To me it sounded like you want him out no matter what and that just does not sound right to me ATM

I do want him out personally. I think this season is a gilded turd. But practically, I would hope that the owners take a pragmatic view where it's not just decided by the final standings of the season but also the investment requests, vision for next season, and the context around the results rather than purely the results.

"We made top 4 and the CL finals" needs to be taken in context, considering we were hoping to be competing for top 2 this season, esp if we only make top 4 with a deduction to Juve.

 

[brehme1989]

Important to remember inzaghi took lazio from being an average aged team to one of the oldest by the time he left. Inzaghi loves oldies

Was that his doing or did his squad just age as they went along and Lotito just didn't buy many decent players?

Their transfers were handled by Igli Tare and most turned out very bad as well, so they had to replace a bunch of them, such as Muriqi, Berisha or Durmisi.


In fact, Lazio only signed 4 over 30 year old outfield players under Inzaghi. In 5 seasons or something, or was it 6?
Leiva, Caceres, Acerbi and Musacchio. All were 30 years old by the way, 31 at most. They got a couple of older goalkeepers, too.

Luis Alberto was signed at 23 and he's still there.
Correa was bought at 23 and stayed all the way with Simone.
Marusic, 24. Still around.
Lazzari at 25. Still around.

Wallace, Bastos and Jordan Lukaku, all 21. Some remained there for years.

It's not as if Simone or Lazio signed old players. That's what Marotta has been doing because he doesn't want to look further than his nose.
Check the % of Serie A transfers Lazio did with Inzaghi there and compare with the last 2 seasons. Check the average ages between the two.
Now tell me with a straight face that this is some Inzaghi policy, I dare you!

 

[Harpsabu]

Was that his doing or did his squad just age as they went along and Lotito just didn't buy many decent players?

Their transfers were handled by Igli Tare and most turned out very bad as well, so they had to replace a bunch of them, such as Muriqi, Berisha or Durmisi.


In fact, Lazio only signed 4 over 30 year old outfield players under Inzaghi. In 5 seasons or something, or was it 6?
Leiva, Caceres, Acerbi and Musacchio. All were 30 years old by the way, 31 at most. They got a couple of older goalkeepers, too.

Luis Alberto was signed at 23 and he's still there.
Correa was bought at 23 and stayed all the way with Simone.
Marusic, 24. Still around.
Lazzari at 25. Still around.

Wallace, Bastos and Jordan Lukaku, all 21. Some remained there for years.

It's not as if Simone or Lazio signed old players. That's what Marotta has been doing because he doesn't want to look further than his nose.
Check the % of Serie A transfers Lazio did with Inzaghi there and compare with the last 2 seasons. Check the average ages between the two.
Now tell me with a straight face that this is some Inzaghi policy, I dare you!

Lazio Have the Oldest Average Starting 11 Across Europe’s Top 5 Leagues This Season – The Laziali - https://thelaziali.com/2021/04/08/l...-11-across-europes-top-5-leagues-this-season/

I can't find the exact tweet, but here's some lazio article when inzaghi was still there complaining that he doesn't trust youth.
The tweet showed something like he raised the average age by 4/5 years or something in his time there.

I never said either that he buys old players or demands them. The facts just prove that he prefers older players to playing youth

 

[Mr-Intermilan]

inzaghi has already wrote his name in the winning managers,liked it or not
even though he failed miserably last year and this year in turning around tables
when the team became idle , he is still capable of leading the team to the top 4
if him and the players played 120%...winning the italian cup and reaching the CL
final...gives him points too, but he needs support in terms of hiring extra coachs with him
and having a decent summer transfer market.


We cant expect miracles from a coach that has 55% of winning rate,unless the admins
kept buying top quality players, otherwise it will be better to fire him
if we are having a 60% winning coach in the line.

 

[Adriano@10]

I do want him out personally. I think this season is a gilded turd. But practically, I would hope that the owners take a pragmatic view where it's not just decided by the final standings of the season but also the investment requests, vision for next season, and the context around the results rather than purely the results.

"We made top 4 and the CL finals" needs to be taken in context, considering we were hoping to be competing for top 2 this season, esp if we only make top 4 with a deduction to Juve.

Agreed thing is imho i d much rather finish 4th and reach a CL semis than finish 2nd and go out in the quarters or even round of 16 it s probably also better for our finances.....
Yes context around the result matters and it all should be taken into consideration. I do give inzaghi some slack as IMHO he gotten fucked by mgm and injuries, mgm fucking up with skriniar our captain and best defender surely did no help and there imho inzaghi really has no blame. Lukaku and brozo being out for basically the first half of the season also did not help, yes he has to take part of the blame there but imho both tried to save em selfes for the WC and then played earlier than they should have in the WC which prolonged their recovery.

Now whats our vision? Imho it has to be to stay competitive (finish top 4) and constantly make it out the group in CL....The second part Inzaghi got on lock the first part is still in question but he also got very little support/ investments to reach those goals.
Now to the Investent request here is where imho Inzaghi has the edge dude provided at lazio on a razor thin budget, and he has been delivering here despite getting close to 0 investments and losing multiple key players when compared to Conte.

Lazio Have the Oldest Average Starting 11 Across Europe’s Top 5 Leagues This Season – The Laziali - https://thelaziali.com/2021/04/08/l...-11-across-europes-top-5-leagues-this-season/

I can't find the exact tweet, but here's some lazio article when inzaghi was still there complaining that he doesn't trust youth.
The tweet showed something like he raised the average age by 4/5 years or something in his time there.

I never said either that he buys old players or demands them. The facts just prove that he prefers older players to playing youth

As brehme pointed out he was at lazio for 5 years so if the average squad ag increased by 4 to 5 years all that happens is the squad got older with him. WOuld not take this as an indication that he likes/ prefers older players

 

[.h.]

the thing for me is, top 4 is non negotiable.

5th and CL finalist is significantly worse result than 4th and CL R16, imho, in terms of the long term future for the club,

 

[brehme1989]

Lazio Have the Oldest Average Starting 11 Across Europe’s Top 5 Leagues This Season – The Laziali - https://thelaziali.com/2021/04/08/l...-11-across-europes-top-5-leagues-this-season/

I can't find the exact tweet, but here's some lazio article when inzaghi was still there complaining that he doesn't trust youth.
The tweet showed something like he raised the average age by 4/5 years or something in his time there.

I never said either that he buys old players or demands them. The facts just prove that he prefers older players to playing youth

He didn't really raise the average age, the core of his players got older.

A very insignificant portion of the transfers made during his time were what could classify as "old players".
He didn't sign any Dzeko or Kolarov type aged 36 and above.
Or Vidal, Mkhitaryan or Acerbi type, 33 and above.

Him trusting the youth players at Lazio or the new (bad) recruits that Tare brought him is a fact.
But we cannot really say that's it's him asking for these players at Inter.

In his first full Lazio season, he had the following stats for players participating in more than 20 games or with more than 1,000 minutes (no Europe)
Parolo (31), Basta (31), Lulic (30), Biglia (30), Radu (29) were his oldest players.
Of those 8 were 23 or less. Including Milinkovic-Savic, Felipe Anderson and Keita Balde...
The total number of these players were: 15
So more than half were what we'd call young. If we extend the age to 26, we can also add De Vrij and Immobile there.
From the rest, the only over30 player that featured was goalkeeper Marchetti. Most others ranged from 16 to 23. Including Luis Alberto and Danilo Cataldi

Fast forward to his last season, the most used players were:
Marusic (27)
Acerbi (32)
Milinkovic-Savic (25)
Reina (37)
Immobile (30)
Luis Alberto (27)
Lazzari (26)
Correa (25)
Radu (33)
Lucas Leiva (33)
Patric (27)
Fares (24)
Hoedt (26)
Akpa Akpro (27)
Muriqi (26)
Luiz Felipe (23)
in minutes

Then in terms of appearances we also have;
Andreas Pereira (24)
Escalante (27)
Caicedo (31)
Parolo (35)
Cataldi (25)
Lulic (34)


So if you pay close attention, apart from Reina, almost all other players over 30 came much earlier or relatively earlier and stuck around for years.

Same season Inzaghi also used 4 players under 20 years old, albeit for limited minutes.

There's evidence to suggest that Inzaghi prefers familarity for example, but preferring older players isn't really his thing.

Half of these players were with him from day 1, and he got Hoedt back as well.

 

[Nyall]

the thing for me is, top 4 is non negotiable.

5th and CL finalist is significantly worse result than 4th and CL R16, imho, in terms of the long term future for the club,

We’re 4 points out of second place, playing in 3 competitions with one of the shallowest teams we’ve ever had.

We have wing backs playing as starting CBs.

In terms of personnel, it literally could not have gone worse for us. Skriniar literally quit from February.

You’re acting as if we’re 9th right now and just calling this season a success because of the UCL..

We’ve lost some games this season we should not have. We also won games this season we should not have, and sure you can always point to individual decisions that cost/won games but looking back on our season would more depth or a different coach had made the difference against teams like Empoli and Salernitana?

And at what cost? If you’re gonna have a shallow team compromises have to be made.

 

[CafeCordoba]

the thing for me is, top 4 is non negotiable.

5th and CL finalist is significantly worse result than 4th and CL R16, imho, in terms of the long term future for the club,

But Inzaghi is not here to try to prepare us for the long term future of the club. He's here trying to win trophies. He might fail, probably will, winning in CL, but we shouldn't discredit the attempt. Appreciating R16 + 4th spot over CL final is just some excel-guy stuff.

 

[.h.]

But Inzaghi is not here to try to prepare us for the long term future of the club. He's here trying to win trophies. He might fail, probably will, winning in CL, but we shouldn't discredit the attempt. Appreciating R16 + 4th spot over CL final is just some excel-guy stuff.

He's not though, really? His target for the season was top 4. For the club the single most important thing is to keep our CL revenue flowing in.

 

[brehme1989]

He's not though, really? His target for the season was top 4. For the club the single most important thing is to keep our CL revenue flowing in.

For the club, the most important thing is to compete and win trophies.

For the present owners of the club, what's most important is reducing expenses and maintain the most affluent revenue streams.

You're constantly advocating for the owners' side and pretend that the club depends on having these owners happy with the situation. If anything, Inter going back to the shit results the Thohir period brought us, it won't kill the club, but it could even cure us from this ownership.

So yeah, it's much more important to target the CL and the Coppa, no matter how unrealistic we may think it is, our chances are still there, than pretend that we have to give everything up to reach a random target of finishing 4th as if we're Roma or Lazio... We are Inter, anything short of 1st spot in the league is a failure. Nitpicking between 3rd or 4th or 6th is just nitpicking. Let the shareholders and management worry about the financial ramifications of their sporting failure.

 

[CafeCordoba]

For the club, the most important thing is to compete and win trophies.

For the present owners of the club, what's most important is reducing expenses and maintain the most affluent revenue streams.

You're constantly advocating for the owners' side and pretend that the club depends on having these owners happy with the situation. If anything, Inter going back to the shit results the Thohir period brought us, it won't kill the club, but it could even cure us from this ownership.

So yeah, it's much more important to target the CL and the Coppa, no matter how unrealistic we may think it is, our chances are still there, than pretend that we have to give everything up to reach a random target of finishing 4th as if we're Roma or Lazio... We are Inter, anything short of 1st spot in the league is a failure. Nitpicking between 3rd or 4th or 6th is just nitpicking. Let the shareholders and management worry about the financial ramifications of their sporting failure.

Perfectly said.

In these kind of discussions, we need to go back to basics. Why does Inter even play? Answer is to win trophies. To win competitions. Targeting top4 is indeed a "Scudetto" of Roma/Lazio tier clubs. When we can succeed in CL, even Coppa, of course we try to win these tournaments.

If we can't win Scudetto, we try to win everything else we have. Missing CL one season because we didn't manage to do well in league is not the end of the world. In the long term, it's almost irrelevant. We might need to sell some players, but we will replace outgoing players. Inter is still gonna be here, players will come and go. Coaches will come and go. Directors will come and go. Even owners will come and go. Only thing that stay are the club itself and us, the fans. Everything else is eventually replaceable.

 

[varmin]

Today his rotation and subs were on spot. I hope he won't start Lukaku - Correa against Roma.