Rafinha or Cancelo?

[Matrix_invincible]

We desperately needed a good trequartista for years, now we have one. + I love his mentally.

Cancelo on the other hand is a great wing back but I think its easier to find another good one, than to find a trequartista like Rafinha for this little money.

 

[Bluenine]

Of course we end up overpaying for these deals. Thats the nature of loans with options to buy. Extra money is added for that option

Its not the nature of the deals, its the nature of Inter. Valencia and Kondogbia desperately wanted to make that deal, Inter held all the bargaining chips here. Yet we agreed to a 35m option on Cancelo that too expiring this financial year, while Kondogbia's option was only 25m. Its ridiculous. Why Inter couldn't say at that time that we want a 25m option expiring in July or forget about Kondogbia? Maybe its because Ausilio did not have any confidence that Cancelo will actually work out, but even then its criminal that we did not negotiate that amount down.

Now Valencia hold all the cards and we are pretty much begging for a reduction.

 

[Jafaar]

I picked cancelo because full backs are harder to find that work. Also, if we change perisic and candervara the attack will be strong

 

[Wings]

Well, this can apply to everything and it's not hypothetical, it's Business 101.
Would you buy something for $10 when no one else would be willing to pay more than $7 for it? Probably not, you'd try to lower the price to around $7,5 or $8. You only spend $10 when you're desperate, when you can afford it (that doesn't just mean 'i have the money to cover the expense') or when you have no idea of what you're doing.

Obviously we should try to negotiate down the price. But if it was worth $10 to me, then yes I would be willing to spend $10. What something is worth to me is not influenced by how much others value the item. Would buying Virgil van Dijk from Southampton for £75m have been a good deal since there was another team willing to pay that much? Or conversely was paying €20m + Caprari for an unknown Skriniar a bad deal? Surely by your logic it was, considering there was no-one else last summer willing to pay that much for him iirc.

And for the record I'm undecided on Rafinha vs. Cancelo, or whether Cancelo is worth €35m. I just don't think your way of thinking about it makes much sense.

 

[brehme1989]

Im not expressing anything other than the fact that we are overpaying. So did Liverpool with van Dijk. Skriniar was more like 12 to 15 + Caprari.

 

[benzemartin]

This is a really tough one. I picked Cancelo because I think that it's harder to find a quality full-back than an offensive midfielder. But again, a really tough question and personally I like Rafinha more, but the professional decision would be to keep Cancelo. Luckily we don't have to pick between the two of them.

 

[Pharaoh]

Im not expressing anything other than the fact that we are overpaying. So did Liverpool with van Dijk. Skriniar was more like 12 to 15 + Caprari.

please pray tell what is the market value for these players then? Saying we are overpaying for them is so vague.

 

[Urban]

Rafina makes our attack less one dimensional. With Cancelo we go back to the boring crossing game which I dislike alot.

 

[brehme1989]

please pray tell what is the market value for these players then? Saying we are overpaying for them is so vague.

I said that Rafinha should be a 25-28m player. That's what we're going to get if he was our player. His injury history makes him less appealing to all.
Cancelo is a 25m player. Same fee that Aurier went for, same fee that Pereira is going for, pretty much the fee Semedo went to Barcelona for (he has some bonuses that make it +5 +5 so 35 in total which I'm not sure were exercised).

If we spend their fair market value on them it saves us 20m for another player we may need, someone like Torreira or Verdi for example. It's a very bad business deal for us if we exercise their options. I think Rafinha's will definitely be exercised if there's even a verbal agreement. And with Cancelo it's also a possibility.
The fact that they've been here already doesn't warrant a 20m excess in price. If anything, renting something gives you an advantage/first option in every business deal, for Inter apparently it's the other way round.

 

[qb4ever_2k]

25-30m these days is where the asking prices for the like of Verdi or Cristante are at. So good luck with your bullshit valuation.

 

[brehme1989]

25-30m these days is where the asking prices for the like of Verdi or Cristante are at. So good luck with your bullshit valuation.

Bullshit valuation?

Serge Aurier: 27m.
Nelson Semedo: around 30m.
Ricardo Pereira: 25m.. DONE DEAL JUST YESTERDAY... You know? The guy who kept Cancelo (and Semedo) out of the Portuguese National Team.
Djibril Sidibe: cost Monaco around 15m.

Most other right backs have converted from other positions (think Antonio Valencia and Joshua Kimmich) or have been promoted from their teams.

Can you tell me which market dictates that Cancelo and Rafinha warrant a 38m transfer?

 

[qb4ever_2k]

Bullshit valuation?

Serge Aurier: 27m.
Nelson Semedo: around 30m.
Ricardo Pereira: 25m.. DONE DEAL JUST YESTERDAY... You know? The guy who kept Cancelo (and Semedo) out of the Portuguese National Team.
Djibril Sidibe: cost Monaco around 15m.

Most other right backs have converted from other positions (think Antonio Valencia and Joshua Kimmich) or have been promoted from their teams.

Can you tell me which market dictates that Cancelo and Rafinha warrant a 38m transfer?

How do i block/ignore a poster?

 

[monster09]

How do i block/ignore a poster?

Go to their profile, there is "add to ignore list" option.

 

[Nyall]

Brehme your argument is moot.


Just because we don’t spend the money on Rafinha and cancelo doesn’t mean we’re using it to buy SMS. It’s far more likely we use that money to replace them with shittier versions of them like Lulic and some shitty Serie A fullback with half of Cancelo’s talent.


No thanks. Also, your market evaluation point is bullshit. Since when do we buy players to immediately sell? Since when are we fucking Udinese or Genoa? I’ve seen what the two of them can do and they are head and shoulders better than Kondogbia, Gabiflop and Joao Mario who cost us similar amounts. They are also both fairly young and can be starters for our team and among the best in the league for the foreseeable future.

 

[brehme1989]

I never said that we will buy them just to sell them the next day. I'm saying that if we do buy them at 38m apiece, their market value immediately decreases from the purchasing price. How hard can this be to understand? You don't need to be a CEO to understand this point.

 

[Nyall]

They’re players not fucking cars.

Also based on your logic on depreciation wouldn’t it be even stupider to spend 80-90 million on SMS? The value of more expensive assets drops much faster than less expensive ones.

 

[brehme1989]

They’re players not fucking cars.

Also based on your logic on depreciation wouldn’t it be even stupider to spend 80-90 million on SMS? The value of more expensive assets drops much faster than less expensive ones.

Another thing I never said is that I don't want either. I'm saying that their price is too much and it's restrictive. How restrictive, that depends on our overall budget and strategy.

I did say that if Inter is serious about taking a step forward, then SMS is a must. That's as big a move as hiring Mourinho in 2008.
I also did say that if we can get SMS by sacrificing the overexpenditure of 38m on each, Cancelo and Rafinha, then fine by me. We can tolerate another season of D'Ambrosio at RB or sign Arias for 10-15m or Kadebarek for 10-15m and we can find another Rafinha with a similar formula if needed. But I never said don't sign either because we need that money elsewhere. I'm fine with signing both for a fee thats' around 55-60m at most.

They are not the two best players that 70-75m can get us. That's pretty much a fact.

 

[monster09]

They’re players not fucking cars.

Also based on your logic on depreciation wouldn’t it be even stupider to spend 80-90 million on SMS? The value of more expensive assets drops much faster than less expensive ones.

Exactly. There is no set market value, everything depends on lot of factors like how highly selling club rates him, how highly buying club rates him, age, agent, contract situation, wages and shit loads. No club will check transfermarkt site and says "well his market price is x million, so yeah give us x million for a player".

This is sellers market, especially when buying club have lot of money.

 

[Irequis]

If we really care that much about depreciation, we better put that some random primavera kids in our first team and see their market value increase. However, since we are the football club that aims for glory and not a financial firm, depreciation is a thing that should be on lower priority. Furthermore, if we buy them and they perform very well next season in UCL and everyone watches them, their market value will only increase, no ?

Besides, we are not buying some random mediocre players for 80 M. We are talking about one of the best right back in Serie A, if not the best. Add that with the fact that Valencia knows how desperate we are for full back, it is only normal for them to inflate his price. Also, do we know who is the best alternative beside Cancelo ? Because we are already tired of another Jonathan, Santon, and Schellotto.

 

[brehme1989]

Who talked about depreciation?