Racism

[Fabio]

Some info on the fans:

Celtic, like Rangers have a massive support which is mainly Catholic, but their fans tend to concentrate on the football, rather than the religious side of things in comparison to their Ibrox counterparts, but there's still is a big section of their support who take the whole Irish political thing a little too seriously.

Celtic fans, like their club are very proud of their Irish roots. Although in most cases they have an affinity with Scotland, and see it as their home, they actually prefer to support the Irish Football Team for the same reasons mentioned above.

Rangers fans on average they see themselves as Scottish and British and in recent years have lost all interest when it comes to supporting the Scottish national team. Although Rangers fans still see themselves as Scottish, a section of their support actually like to see England doing well.
On a political front they want to keep the Monarchy and prefer Scotland to remain as part of the United Kingdom and 9 times out of 10 is a member of the Protestant faith. However, they are very rarely interested in religion in a Christian sense. Sometimes, can hold strong religious views for the duration of a match and loves to wind up rival fans especially followers of Celtic (the Tims).

Fabio

 

[interista7]

On a political front they want to keep the Monarchy and prefer Scotland to remain as part of the United Kingdom and 9 times out of 10 is a member of the Protestant faith.
Fabio

Strange...

 

[Zamat]

Problem is with the Basque's that if FIFA would allow them to have a separate NT, that would fuel their efforts to get an independent state. Although I have nothing against that, but with the ETA terrorist groups etc. this is a very sensitive case, and also very political, so I won't take it any further.

 

[Fabio]

Problem is with the Basque's that if FIFA would allow them to have a separate NT, that would fuel their efforts to get an independent state. Although I have nothing against that, but with the ETA terrorist groups etc. this is a very sensitive case, and also very political, so I won't take it any further.

And I would have something against that, so let's just keep quiet on that...

Fabio

 

[UhUhOleguer]

The first example I would like to cite is that of Celtic FC. They are
traditionally the Catholic, left-wing club in Glasgow, as opposed to
Rangers traditional Protestant conservatism.

how pathetic....

sorry but this letter is ridiculous...

and there's a slight difference..when you pick on a player on the field with racist chants, there's no way for him to reply back except with goals, while regional rivalries are always a 2-way-street.

Rangers fans acting innocent is pretty pathetic to say the least..

and with regards to Bilbao, big up to them! I wished more clubs had a policy like them, because the fans and everyone in the region can relate with the club and likewise the players relate with the club. And what they understand as Basque is actually pretty open. Navarra isn't really part of the basque country and they are not basques, but yet they still have players from that region playing for them. I also think that if you are born in the region, you may play for them.
I think Exteberria or Guerrero once said it best: "To win a trophy with Athletic, is much much more important and means much more than to win any other trophy with Barca or Real."

But as an example, Real Sociedad have a pretty "dumb" policy. They only allow Basques and foreigners to play for them, but no other spaniards. That's pretty ridiculous.

However, Athletic has my full support.

 

[Kato]

Theres a lot of shit both ways with Rangers - Celtic, the post at the top that Fabio posted is pretty much clearly Celtic biased.. Though the letter is obviously the other way. The same sorta shit goes down from both sides.

Though I always will hate Celtic & their scum fans to the core. They might as well be an Irish team.. Anyways, I'll stop there before I get out of line

 

[Inter Nerazzurri]

Well Coming from Northern Ireland I can add a bit about the Rangers - Celtic rivalry. Both clubs are very strongly supported here. Generally speaking a Protestant person supports Rangers and a Catholic person supports Celtic. Its literally as clear cut as that. In fact much of the sectarianism that you hear from Rangers and Celtic fans originates form Northern Ireland (Back some years ago when workers in northern ireland moved to the shipyards in Glasgow bringing it with them)
Rangers are a bit strange too because its the only scottish club which feels british (and where you will see union jack flags in the crowd) other scottish clubs are more nationalistic (ie feeling more scottish)
I dont agree with Bilbao only playing Basque players and here is why - What if all other spanish clubs refused to play Basque players in return? That would mean a Basque player would have no freedom to move to other clubs.
Imagine if a European club refused to sign an african player because he wasnt european?
The problem is the media tend to be left wing and hence clubs like Bilbao are not punished for follwing a racist recruitment policy. Imagine if a right wing club in europe was to do the same thing and only pick white european players. There would be an outcry! (rightly so too)
I realise this is a personal opinion but I think politics should be left out of football (though I realise it is difficult in some countries to do this) If someone puts on an Inter shirt I dont care if they are White, Black, Asian, whatever - just so long as they are good enough.

 

[_OC_]

Since it's so very revelant in world football right now and probably deserves its own thread as to not clutter other threads, I dug this up.

https://sempreinter.com/2019/10/18/...ng-in-var-style-system-to-help-combat-racism/

Geniunely fantastic news, and quite suprising that Italy are the progressives in this specific case. A video-camera based is way preferable to point deductions or exclusions or what have you, that in my opinion are out of proportion and punishes the collective instead of the perpetrator. Individual punishments and stadium bans are the (only) way forward.

 

[Wobblz]

...Geniunely fantastic news, and quite suprising that Italy are the progressives in this specific case. A video-camera based is way preferable to point deductions or exclusions or what have you, that in my opinion are out of proportion and punishes the collective instead of the perpetrator. Individual punishments and stadium bans are the (only) way forward.

...We have VAR, now we should implement another system in every stadium for occasions such as these that actually works and treats the symptoms...

I obviously agree with a similar solution and I too am amazed Italy of all countries is the first to try this out.

 

[Materazzi_23]

In Holland they use camera's inside the stadium to bann people for years now. I'm sure they do it in other countries also. So it's not something completely new. But it is about time Italy will do something about this.

 

[brehme1989]

Italy is also the first country to harshly punish players for banned substances. Fifa followed after that.

(It was Maradona and it was a politically driven decision to fight him)

I think Italy was also the first to do something real about match fixing.

Italy generally is the first to do many things in football. Which is probably why so many issues still exist

And we all know how selective this treatment can be over there.

 

[ADRossi]

I think Italy was also the first to do something real about match fixing.

Isn't this because we're the first country with audio evidence of matches being fixed?

 

[Adriano]

it kinda sucks how big of an issue it still is tbh (everywhere), especially considering how global the game is now

 

[brehme1989]

Isn't this because we're the first country with audio evidence of matches being fixed?

There was no wiretapping in 1980.

And the first match fixing scandal was in England. Probably the first 20 even but the highest profile one was this one: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1915_British_football_betting_scandal

Liverpool basically handed Man Utd a vital win to keep them in thr top flight. How ironic

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it kinda sucks how big of an issue it still is tbh (everywhere), especially considering how global the game is now

It's also scary how everyone felt the same way back in 1910 yet a few years later they got reminded of human nature.

 

[_OC_]

Trying to not potentially clutter the Serie A-thread:

Udinese hit with a total stadium ban - only the second club (as far as I know) in Serie A history to be hit with that, after us and that Koulibaly-match (where we had the whole stadium closed for two matches).

9 months ago, this happened.

Juventus hit with partial stadium closure after racist abuse of Lukaku

Juventus have been ordered to close part of their stadium after Romelu Lukaku was racially abused during Tuesday’s Coppa Italia semi-final

www.theguardian.com

Why is Udinese's whole stadium banned, but Juventus only gets one Curva banned (which was actually opened again on appeal, as far as I remember)? What's the difference between the two situations? And I'm not even making this into a Jube-thing, that was just the sitatution that jumped into my mind. You could also point to the times Vlahovic has been called a gypsy with very little aftermath, but the point is, why is there a complete lack of consistency in these cases?

Racism is bad, I think we can all agree, but collective punishment gets you nowhere.

Find the culprits, ban them for life or what have you. Don't punish the kid in the opposite section who had nothing to with the sitatuation and was just there to cheer on his hero, and I also have a hard time logically putting together why you punish Udinese for the fact that they are supported by (a few, select) idiots. If they're not doing enough with the investigation, sure, but nothing points to that.
Hypothetically, there's nothing stopping a group of people going into another club's stadium and making monkey noises, if the punishment disenfranchises the club secondly. This will only become more of a prevalent hypothesis now when that cretin Infantino has begun talking point deductions also.

It's a horrible discussion, but punishing the many (and the entity) because of the actions of the few isn't just.

 

[Ethor]

The stadium ban is too light, the "racists" chants from fans should cost their team to forfeit the match. Maybe, they'll learn to police themselves.

 

[ADRossi]

Trying to not potentially clutter the Serie A-thread:

Udinese hit with a total stadium ban - only the second club (as far as I know) in Serie A history to be hit with that, after us and that Koulibaly-match (where we had the whole stadium closed for two matches).

9 months ago, this happened.

Juventus hit with partial stadium closure after racist abuse of Lukaku

Juventus have been ordered to close part of their stadium after Romelu Lukaku was racially abused during Tuesday’s Coppa Italia semi-final

www.theguardian.com

Why is Udinese's whole stadium banned, but Juventus only gets one Curva banned (which was actually opened again on appeal, as far as I remember)? What's the difference between the two situations? And I'm not even making this into a Jube-thing, that was just the sitatution that jumped into my mind. You could also point to the times Vlahovic has been called a gypsy with very little aftermath, but the point is, why is there a complete lack of consistency in these cases?

Racism is bad, I think we can all agree, but collective punishment gets you nowhere.

Find the culprits, ban them for life or what have you. Don't punish the kid in the opposite section who had nothing to with the sitatuation and was just there to cheer on his hero, and I also have a hard time logically putting together why you punish Udinese for the fact that they are supported by (a few, select) idiots. If they're not doing enough with the investigation, sure, but nothing points to that.
Hypothetically, there's nothing stopping a group of people going into another club's stadium and making monkey noises, if the punishment disenfranchises the club secondly. This will only become more of a prevalent hypothesis now when that cretin Infantino has begun talking point deductions also.

It's a horrible discussion, but punishing the many (and the entity) because of the actions of the few isn't just.

I just can't get over how unprecedented the two match stadium ban we received a few years back is.

 

[Il Drago]

I just can't get over how unprecedented the two match stadium ban we received a few years back is.

I would have no issue with Inter being made an example of a change in this matter. Also because of the origins of the club. But in the end Inter got punished, everyone else buried their heads in the sand and nothing changed. That's what truly sucks.

 

[forzainter257]

The stadium ban is too light, the "racists" chants from fans should cost their team to forfeit the match. Maybe, they'll learn to police themselves.

They will never take any measures that will really work against racism because this is exactly what they want - to keep everyone fighting each other, hating each other. BLM is useless, in fact, it made things even worse.

 

[Nerazzurri_Ninja]

Racism is real