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I failed to find a decent video with the highlights of yesterdays match but here are the goals anyway


Benfica won easily 2-0, Porto never seemed to a threat during the entire game.

The 1st half was pretty poor, the only real chances were the goal when Porto failed a pass on the midfield and Benfica took advantage of that to create an effective counterattack with Markovic running 1/4 of the pitch with the ball to deliver a great assistance to Rodrigo.

The 2nd half was better Benfica always trying to score the 2nd and Porto failing to create real danger. Quaresma made his debut and was the only one who was able to do anything on the wings for us, apart from that was the usual nonsense on the midfield since our coach arrived which lead to creating 0 chances.

Benfica finished with 9 shots and Porto with 5, a very poor overall stat.

The game also finished the 1st half of the season now with Benfica at front.

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I was waiting for Porto coach to get sacked to update this and it happened this week so here goes.

Benfica has the league on the bag, and deserves it tbh, after being very poor in the beginning of the season the team has find their best form and due to the consistent drops of points from both Porto and Sporting and with Salvio back from a long injury I don´t see them losing the league.

Porto kept getting worse and worse specially during February, some awful results.
The month started with a defeat against Marítimo, on the Europe league at home. Winning 2-0 we ended up conceding 2 goals in 5´ against Eintracht Frankfurt who are currently fighting to avoid relegation. On the next match we lost at home against Estoril, the first defeat on the league at home since 2008. The coach for the 2nd time this season wanted to leave but the president didn´t agree with him.
Next match we won against Frankfurt on another awful display from our defense, 3-3 was the final result but the game could have gone either way, they have an average of 1 goal scored on the league so far, the scored 5 in 2 games, that´s how week our defense has been. The president tried to give moral to the team but on the next game same thing, 2-0 up away against Guimarães, final result 2-2.
It was the end of the line for the coach, even though he wasn´t the only one to blame, he presented his resignation for the third time and this time the president accepted it... on the coach birthday :trolldad:

Sporting despite losing 2 points today has been making a great league so far considering how bad his last season was and we have to keep in mind they don´t have the greatest team of the league and are miles away from Porto and Benfica considering only the squads. William Carvalho particularly is a gem, what a beast of a player.

Next match, Sporting-Porto may be very important to determine who´ll take the 2nd place.

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Looks like Bebe is having fantastic season at Pacos, scored some fantastic goals and IIRC he is Portugal's top scorer (only Portuguese player in the league).

Also Jackson Martinez averages 135 mins per goal playing for arguably the best team and as CF, Bebe averages 185 mins per goal playing for arguable the worst team in the league and as winger or wide forward.
 

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Jackson and all of Porto has gone down the shitter since Quaresma came back. Dude is way too selfish. The best Free kicker on that team is Quintero. Both times they got a direct free kick against Napoli Quaresma took the kick instead of Quintero. Quaresma couldn't even get it over the wall. Dude doesn't pass. That and Varela FING SUCKS !! Quintero should start over Quaresma and #11 Gilas or something is much better than Varela.

Letting go of Lucho Gonzalez for Quaresma was the worst decision they could have done. Probably should have gotten AVB instead of promoting the youth coach like they did
 

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Oh look, someone actually reads this, I thought this was only my monologue.

Looks like Bebe is having fantastic season at Pacos, scored some fantastic goals and IIRC he is Portugal's top scorer (only Portuguese player in the league).

Also Jackson Martinez averages 135 mins per goal playing for arguably the best team and as CF, Bebe averages 185 mins per goal playing for arguable the worst team in the league and as winger or wide forward.

It´s no that hard to be the portuguese top striker, considering the opposition. Porto, Benfica and Sporting don´t have any portuguese strikers. Benfica doesn´t even have a portuguese winger that plays regularly. Porto has Quaresma who´s only here for 3 months and Varela is a true winger, he doesn´t score that much. Sporting have 2 portuguese wingers but Mané (great prospect) only started playing regularly a couple of months ago and the other isn´t a regular 1st team player.
The only decent portuguese striker we have is Éder from Braga who had 2 serious injuries this season and isn´t playing ATM.

With that in mind Bebe is doing great at Paços I´d say that apart from Benfica he´d start on every team here. His last goals have been true wonder goals but it´s not just that, he´s a constant threat, his speed, acceleration and power shots make him incredibly dangerous on a team that plays like Paços, on the opposition mistakes. He also improved a lot his finishing, even though he still needs to work on that, that and on his crosses.

Paços have a good team, with a lot of talented players but they started of badly, I´ve wrote about that on the first pages of this thread, changed the coach, who after a few weeks had put almost all the players against him due to his public criticism on them. Now Jorge Costa (Porto legend, remember him?) is in front of the team and changed the formation to a more suiting role of the most dangerous players they have up front, Del Valle and Bebe. They play together on the attack on a hybrid 4-4-2, they have free roles, both play on the center on paper but it´s on the wings that they are really dangerous, there and when doing diagonal to the center. They combine really well between them so I´d say that´s the main reason for their recent success.

Jackson and all of Porto has gone down the shitter since Quaresma came back. Dude is way too selfish. The best Free kicker on that team is Quintero. Both times they got a direct free kick against Napoli Quaresma took the kick instead of Quintero. Quaresma couldn't even get it over the wall. Dude doesn't pass. That and Varela FING SUCKS !! Quintero should start over Quaresma and #11 Gilas or something is much better than Varela.

Letting go of Lucho Gonzalez for Quaresma was the worst decision they could have done. Probably should have gotten AVB instead of promoting the youth coach like they did

Reading just from what you said it seems that Quaresma is the main reason we started losing points so often, and that´s just not the case. We all know Quaresma, he loses a lot of balls and everything but the main reasons were the ones I have been pointing since before the beginning of the season, the midfield didn´t work, everyone was aware of that apart from the coach. The main reason for me was the poor performance of our defense, that adding to the clueless form of play from the midfield, we conceded so many goals, in 13 games from the beginning of January till the time PF was sacked we conceded 15 goals, and 2 of those 13 games were cup games against lower division teams. Almost all those goals came from individual mistakes from our defenders, it was getting ridiculous.

But I give you 100% reason on the FK department , it´s beyond me how the hell Quaresma keeps on taking free kicks when Quintero is on the field, he´s our best taker since I remember watching Porto play and it´s been 20 years. Quaresma = ball on the wall or ball on the stands. Quaresma is not even on the top 3 of our best free kick takers but he takes them anyway.

Varela is just an OK player but everybody is always too hard on him, before we got Quaresma he was the only true winger to play regularly, and he played all the time, even injured, obviously he´s in bad shape due to that, he´s good when on top form, on the kind of form he´s now he´s not able to add anything to the attacking fase of the team, he just keeps the full backs from attacking.

Quintero can´t start over Quaresma, PF tried him several times on the wing and he was awful, the idea was to put him on a similar role that Hulk and James had before, a winger that cuts for the middle to shoot with the left foot, in theory it could work but on the field he disappeared every time he played like that, he lacks the speed and also he can´t defend there. IMO he needs to play in the midfield to try and get that last pass or shot that he does so well, he needs to improve as soon as possible his work rate and positioning without the ball, he´s great with the ball but far from convincing on the other departments, but he´s still very young to get there.

Ghillas is great, I really like the guy, but he´s a striker, and with Jackson there he doesn´t stand a chance, Porto also is trying to score a big sale with Jackson so that´s one reason why even on the games that Jackson was far from being good enough he didn´t play, our new coach plays him on the wing more due to the lack of good alternatives then anything.

When we sold Lucho for us it was our way of our president say, "Ok this season is over, we´ll try to be as good as we can and start working on the next season" there´s no other explanation, and he wanted to leave, some said he didn´t agree with the coachs view of the team but didn´t want to create tension and turn the back on the coach, not sure if that is true or not.
Then he received a fantastic offer from Dubai and left. It was truly unexpected.

In short the team was playing worse and worse every game, the players were getting tired of the coach and his useless tactics, the defeat against Benfica was hard on the team and was the decisive turning point, injuries, suspensions, fatigue and bad results did the rest. Now the team is really tired, we don´t have a good squad this year, we play the same 14/15 players over and over again, we only have the cups to try and save the season, we´ll no be able to even get the 2nd place this year.

AVB, no thanks, the guy stabbed us on the back, twice, some wanted him back, others don´t, we was great when he was here but I don´t want him again, even if I did he wouldn´t come anyway.
 
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With that in mind Bebe is doing great at Paços I´d say that apart from Benfica he´d start on every team here. His last goals have been true wonder goals but it´s not just that, he´s a constant threat, his speed, acceleration and power shots make him incredibly dangerous on a team that plays like Paços, on the opposition mistakes. He also improved a lot his finishing, even though he still needs to work on that, that and on his crosses.

That's very interesting. So you think Bebe is good enough to start for any team in the league except Benfica? That's a superb improvement from him when just a year ago it looked like he won't have career at any top level league.
 

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That's very interesting. So you think Bebe is good enough to start for any team in the league except Benfica? That's a superb improvement from him when just a year ago it looked like he won't have career at any top level league.

Yes, but like I said before the standards aren´t as high as they were before. Porto has one of the worse set of wingers in the last 10 years, and Sporting is just recovering from their worse season ever.

There´s also a debate about him going to the WC, the last spot is between Quaresma, Rafa or him IMO. Ivan Cavaleiro and Rafa were called on the last friendly but Ivan hasn´t played often for Benfica. I don´t see Quaresma being called at 30, so it´s probably down to Rafa (Braga) or Bebé.
 

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What about Nani or is he already on the plane?
 

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What about Nani or is he already on the plane?

I'm sure he will be their starter.

Played around 20-25 mins and he was good, linked up well with Mata, Kagawa. I'm sure he is one of the important player for National team so his spot is under no threat at all.
 

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I'm sure he will be their starter.

Played around 20-25 mins and he was good, linked up well with Mata, Kagawa. I'm sure he is one of the important player for National team so his spot is under no threat at all.

This. He has been important for us for quite a while now, unless he gets injured again he´ll be there.
 

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Reading just from what you said it seems that Quaresma is the main reason we started losing points so often, and that´s just not the case. We all know Quaresma, he loses a lot of balls and everything but the main reasons were the ones I have been pointing since before the beginning of the season, the midfield didn´t work, everyone was aware of that apart from the coach. The main reason for me was the poor performance of our defense, that adding to the clueless form of play from the midfield, we conceded so many goals, in 13 games from the beginning of January till the time PF was sacked we conceded 15 goals, and 2 of those 13 games were cup games against lower division teams. Almost all those goals came from individual mistakes from our defenders, it was getting ridiculous.
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So you are saying Porto conceded lot of goals? So how good is Mangala then? Everyone rates him so highly and there are few reports that City are signing him and Fernando for 41 Million pounds. Is he your regular starter?
 

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Yes, he´s our starter since last year.

Our CBs rotation has been huge. First we started with a good duo, Mangala and Otamendi were the one´s we played last year with good results our center was rock solid and only Danilo was a week spot, Alex Sandro wasn´t great defensively but made up for than on the attack, Fernando covering made the thing come together well.
Otamendi has his worst season since he had signed and lost the place to Maicon, this in January, Otamendi was sold short after and we made Abdoulaye return from loan who was playing very good on Guimarães.

Without anyone knowing why exactly Abdoulaye started playing in the place of Maicon for the league but since he couldn´t play for the Europe league we played Maicon- Manga for the European competitions and Adboulaye-Manga for the internal competitions.
On the first league against Napoli Maicon got injured one month and Reyes started playing. With all this rotation the defense lost constancy.

The best duo so far this season has been Reyes- Manga, they played a lot of though matches together without any routines between them and apart from the Sevilha disaster it was working well.
If you asked me about Mangala last year, and I believe I wrote something on FIF about him around that time, I´d say this year he´d only need to gain more experience and more calm on the tackles, he accomplished both but he also started to made a lot of childish mistakes, too many time on possession and lost the ball after, but mostly bad positioning on the box and lacks of concentration that have costed us goals.

Now I´m uncertain what kind of player he´s going to be, I don´t know if he dropped his form alongside with the rest of the team, the CBs rotation is not a good thing to do but we did it so many times, or if last year he looked much better than he actually is. One thing is for sure, if he combines the best thing in the 2 seasons I have no doubt that he´ll be world class but that´s just a guess at this time but still the numbers that appear on the press about him are ridiculous.
 

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Yes, he´s our starter since last year.

Our CBs rotation has been huge. First we started with a good duo, Mangala and Otamendi were the one´s we played last year with good results our center was rock solid and only Danilo was a week spot, Alex Sandro wasn´t great defensively but made up for than on the attack, Fernando covering made the thing come together well.
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So much difference in opinions between someone who watches all the games and someone who just goes by flavor of the month players.

You said Alex Sandro wasn't great defensively, you should see some of the posts about him in other forums where they rave about him as he is great defensively and offensively. IIRC he was linked with ManUtd few months back, not sure if he is on our radar now.

Btw, thanks for the update. Looks like Mangala will become the most expensive defender in a season or 2 when City will buy him.
 

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So much difference in opinions between someone who watches all the games and someone who just goes by flavor of the month players.

You said Alex Sandro wasn't great defensively, you should see some of the posts about him in other forums where they rave about him as he is great defensively and offensively. IIRC he was linked with ManUtd few months back, not sure if he is on our radar now.

Btw, thanks for the update. Looks like Mangala will become the most expensive defender in a season or 2 when City will buy him.

I also have that opinion, don´t know why Alex Sandro, but specially Danilo are so well rated by people on the other forums. A lot of people say they are world class.
If you view the 2nd page of this thread I have this discussion with some users about this.
 

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Benfica Porto for the Portuguese cup about to start.
Porto leading 1-0 but Benfica is the big favorite.
 

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So Benfica won the league and are in for Treble again. Last year they blew it right at the end, hopefully this time they can do it.
 

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Benfica fans in Lisbon... :notbad:
 

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Just to add to that
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Benfica Porto for the Portuguese cup about to start.
Porto leading 1-0 but Benfica is the big favorite.

Update to the post.

Benfica is in the final of the Cup. Porto once again screwed a great opportunity.

Benfica started strong and got the 1st goal but then still in the 1st half Siqueir awas sent off and they were down to 10 on the minute 28! But Porto never seemed to get the game on control, even after scoring on the 52´.
After that Benfica needed to score twice and with one player down, it was almost impossible to do.

But things are never impossible when Porto defense is on the pitch. on the next minute a major meltdown almost cost us a goal, and on the 58´ a childish penalty made by Reyes set the game 2-1.
After that we kept on making more and more mistakes, and ended up conceding the 3-1 on the sequence of a throw in...

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On the league, Benfica won as expected, it was just a matter of time. The best team won, no questions about it.
Sporting got an incredible 2nd place, Porto ended 3rd.

I´ll post my review of the season later when the games are all over and comment about the most interesting players this season.
 
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What do you blame Porto being crap this season on? You guys just got rid of James and Moutinho right?
 
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