New rules in Italian football?

[Hammoudi]

Cordoba came when he was about 24 years old, I think. I don't know, maybe he has a Spanish passport or so.

Which is another thing, I think there is no harm for some of our players to get EU passports based on ancestory. I don't know if JZ, Cordoba and Recoba are considered EU or not, but if not, I guess they should get Italian or Spanish passports based on where their ancestors come from.

This is an 'ethical' way to meet the rules.

 

[Stefan]

Cordoba came when he was about 24 years old, I think. I don't know, maybe he has a Spanish passport or so.

Which is another thing, I think there is no harm for some of our players to get EU passports based on ancestory. I don't know if JZ, Cordoba and Recoba are considered EU or not, but if not, I guess they should get Italian or Spanish passports based on where their ancestors come from.

This is an 'ethical' way to meet the rules.

JZ has an italian passport. Might even have dual citenzenship since he owns a restauarant and has been in italia for 10 years. Cambiasso and Burdisso have italian passports. Oba and Wome have been italia since very young. Solari has a spanish passport. I think pizzaro too.

 

[Tommi]

Where do you get that idea from?? I don't want average foreigners. I want the best players at the best value. And the only average foreigner I see at Inter is Wome. I would have preferred potenza to him. But I see no other average foreigner.

- Cesar (average)
- Mihajlovic (below average)
- Wome (below average)
- Ze Maria (average)
- Kily (average)
- £igo (average)
- Solari (average)
- Martins (average)

Of course sometimes anyone of them seems to be playing like a superstar, but they´re usually very average or even below that. 10 to 13 points behind the leader (Juve) after just 12 rounds. I should´ve probably mentioned our whole squad. None (excepts Cruz) has played good so far and Cruz is at bench more than he should, that says something about our team. It´s certain that we have plenty of average players and/or they are not giving their all to win. If you dont have any class, it´s difficult to play better though, i understand that.

About Pod´s post. Are all of these... ->

Portieri: Julio Cesar (26)

Difensori: Burdisso (24), Mihajlovic (26), Samuel (27), Zanetti (32), Zè Maria (32).

Centrocampisti: Cambiasso (25), Figo (33), Kily Gonzalez (31), Pizarro (26), Solari (29), Stankovic (27), Veron (30).

Attaccanti: Adriano (23), Cruz (31), Recoba (29).

...our non-eu players? 16 players are from non-eu countries out of 26 players (total). And Martins & Wome has some problems as well? Worrying...

 

[Stefan]

Where do you get that idea from?? I don't want average foreigners. I want the best players at the best value. And the only average foreigner I see at Inter is Wome. I would have preferred potenza to him. But I see no other average foreigner.

- Cesar (average)
- Mihajlovic (below average)
- Wome (below average)
- Ze Maria (average)
- Kily (average)
- £igo (average)
- Solari (average)
- Martins (average)

Of course sometimes anyone of them seems to be playing like a superstar, but they´re usually very average or even below that. 10 to 13 points behind the leader (Juve) after just 12 rounds. I should´ve probably mentioned our whole squad. None (excepts Cruz) has played good so far and Cruz is at bench more than he should, that says something about our team. It´s certain that we have plenty of average players and/or they are not giving their all to win. If you dont have any class, it´s difficult to play better though, i understand that.

About Pod´s post. Are all of these... ->

Portieri: Julio Cesar (26)

Difensori: Burdisso (24), Mihajlovic (26), Samuel (27), Zanetti (32), Zè Maria (32).

Centrocampisti: Cambiasso (25), Figo (33), Kily Gonzalez (31), Pizarro (26), Solari (29), Stankovic (27), Veron (30).

Attaccanti: Adriano (23), Cruz (31), Recoba (29).

...our non-eu players? 16 players are from non-eu countries out of 26 players (total). And Martins & Wome has some problems as well? Worrying...

Kily when we signed him was considered a very good lw. Solari is also a very good lw. And I don't agree on Julio Cesar and Oba at all. J.Cesar is a great young keeper. And Oba is very promising. He is still only 21. Figo is defenitly not average either.

But I won't get into a debate about who is average and who is not since I am sure we won't agree.

 

[Mikkel]

Where do you get that idea from?? I don't want average foreigners. I want the best players at the best value. And the only average foreigner I see at Inter is Wome. I would have preferred potenza to him. But I see no other average foreigner.

- Cesar (average)
- Mihajlovic (below average)
- Wome (below average)
- Ze Maria (average)
- Kily (average)
- £igo (average)
- Solari (average)
- Martins (average)

Of course sometimes anyone of them seems to be playing like a superstar, but they´re usually very average or even below that. 10 to 13 points behind the leader (Juve) after just 12 rounds. I should´ve probably mentioned our whole squad. None (excepts Cruz) has played good so far and Cruz is at bench more than he should, that says something about our team. It´s certain that we have plenty of average players and/or they are not giving their all to win. If you dont have any class, it´s difficult to play better though, i understand that.

About Pod´s post. Are all of these... ->

Portieri: Julio Cesar (26)

Difensori: Burdisso (24), Mihajlovic (26), Samuel (27), Zanetti (32), Zè Maria (32).

Centrocampisti: Cambiasso (25), Figo (33), Kily Gonzalez (31), Pizarro (26), Solari (29), Stankovic (27), Veron (30).

Attaccanti: Adriano (23), Cruz (31), Recoba (29).

...our non-eu players? 16 players are from non-eu countries out of 26 players (total). And Martins & Wome has some problems as well? Worrying...

I agree that some of the players are not good enough, but then again you can't have 25 good players in the squad, neither Milan nor Juve have that.

And another thing is which Italian players are better then the players you mentioned, and it have to be players we can get. The case is that we can only get very very few, who is even good enough if we just replace None-EU players with Italians then the quality in our squad will be reduced drastically. you can't just say that they should be replaced by Italians when you don't even come up with suggestions to whom it could be, and Moratti said some something smart a short time ago that is very true regarding the CONI's proposal.

We are in an industry in which the borders have fallen. I do not understand why people want to bring in restrictions. We do not buy foreigners for the sake of it, but because they are good players and they have characteristic techniques that can serve us. For me, everyone is the same, from the Chinese and Swedish, to the Italians and French

 

[Tommi]

I agree that some of the players are not good enough, but then again you can't have 25 good players in the squad, neither Milan nor Juve have that.

I dont mean that we should have 25 good players in our team or that we should replace all our foreigners with italians, but i´m just saying that there is no need to buy foreigners when we can get as good (or even better) domestic players.

Like i´ve said earlier -> Foreign players should always be better than domestic one´s. If/when they aren´t, then what´s the point?

And another thing is which Italian players are better then the players you mentioned, and it have to be players we can get.

Ok, few examples on top of my head...

- Cesar (average)
* We didnt necessarily need to buy Cesar, Toldo is as good or even better.

- Mihajlovic (below average)
* Mihajlovic we dont need to replace anymore since we already have Cordoba, Samuel, Burdisso and Materazzi

- Wome (below average)
* Grosso is better than Wome, so is Potenza (we loaned him out)

- Ze Maria (average)
* Oddo is better than Ze Maria

- Kily (average)
* Semioli (we owned him) is better than Kily

- £igo (average)
* Fiore is as good (or even better) than £igo

- Solari (average)
* Solari we could keep, but our coach doesnt use him

- Martins (average)
* Toni is much better than Martins (or anyone else in our strikers for that matter) and would suit in our team perfectly.

All those players (i mentioned) were available in last summer or we did own them already.

And i disagree with you, i think we do buy foreigners just because they´re foreigners.

 

[Handoyo]

Martins' stat last season:

45 appearances
2885 minutes
22 goals
6 assists
0.686 goals per 90 minutes
0.187 assists per 90 minutes

Average!? :wallbang: You might argue that he played in second rate competitions like Coppa Italia. My rebuttal is that Martins was used as a substitute a lot of times and often only had 15-20 mintues to do something in a match.


Handyo

 

[Tommi]

Martins is average, as not such a great striker that should be a regular at Inter. Inter has always be known for it´s good strikers, that cant be said for this seasons strikers at all.

Martins' stat this season:

14 appearances
1015 minutes
3 goals
Dunno how many assists
0.266 goals per 90 minutes = goal in every 338,33 minutes.

Not average!? :wallbang: Form is temporary of course, but to me, Martins isn´t much better than average striker (if at all). I hoped he would become a "superstar", but but but...i do not think so anymore. Also, it isnt Martins fault (or Adriano´s for that matter), but he and Adriano creates poor partnership together. That´s one huge reason why Martins (and Adriano as well) struggles as much as they do.

Anywayz, this isn´t thread to talk about this. I just answered to Blue Öyster when he asked who is better and you cant really deny that Toni seems to be lightyears better than Martins (or any other stiker we have).

 

[Pravesh]

I had been worried about this situation in Inter's case since I heard a bit about this new rule last season. Anywaz, there's lot of room for us to replace foreigners with Italians for next season.

Players like Ze Maria (end of contract) could leave and we could have some Italian there. So should be done for the left back position. We should get rid of Wome and instead get a starting left back, like Grosso. Sadly, if we can't get Grosso; then I am afriad to say that we might have to get a foreigner there. I haven't heard any good Italian left back player other than Grosso at the moment. As for Ze Maria's replacement, there should be other players. How about in or youth team or players like Andreolli/? {are they right back players}. After all, J.Zanetti rarely gets injured and it happened only this season.

As for central defenders, Burdisso is a natural replacement for Mihajlovic's departure {next season}. It would had been better if Materazzi would have agreed to stay in Inter as a back up player; but if wants to play regularly, then we can say g'bye to him next season. I would want us to keep Matrix, but only if he agrees to stay as a back up player.

For our midfield, I am sure that Kily will be leaving, so should be the case for Veron. We have a natural replacement for Veron, who happens to be Pizarro. As for Kily's replacement, I don't think we will need any other player, if Solari stays with us. I would be happy if we could get someone like Marchionni. Figo will be in his last year of contract next season, so it wouldn't be bad to get Marchionni. I don't know any other good Italian wingers. We should keep an eye on Quaresma as well.

Lets hope that we do keep C.Zanetti, but I think that the chance is very slim. So, we should be looking for a back up player, if C.Zanetti does leave.

- Cesar (average)
* We didnt necessarily need to buy Cesar, Toldo is as good or even better.

- Mihajlovic (below average)
* Mihajlovic we dont need to replace anymore since we already have Cordoba, Samuel, Burdisso and Materazzi

- Wome (below average)
* Grosso is better than Wome, so is Potenza (we loaned him out)

- Ze Maria (average)
* Oddo is better than Ze Maria

- Kily (average)
* Semioli (we owned him) is better than Kily

- £igo (average)
* Fiore is as good (or even better) than £igo

- Solari (average)
* Solari we could keep, but our coach doesnt use him

- Martins (average)
* Toni is much better than Martins (or anyone else in our strikers for that matter) and would suit in our team perfectly.

All those players (i mentioned) were available in last summer or we did own them already.

And i disagree with you, i think we do buy foreigners just because they´re foreigners.

Tommi, even I would want more Italian players than we actually have; but I disagree with you on these:

J.Cesar is not an average player. He has proved that he's a talented keeper and has done very well for us till now. He can be what Dida is for Milan.

Martins' not an average player either mate !! I don't trust that much on Martins, coz I think that he needs to learn alot, especially ball control and stuffs. Still, he's above than average. No wonder, I feel that there's no harm in getting Cassano if there's a chance than we could get him in a small amount of $$. Having 3 quality strikers: Adriano--Martins--Cassano wouldn't be bad for a team nor the players.

Ze Maria is an average player and we won't need him next season, as we need a back up player for our right back position who could be played at RB position when J.Zanetti gets injured or rested. That wasn't the case this season when J.Zanetti was out for a long time. But we can't compare Ze Maria with Oddo mate. Oddo won't join Inter to be a bench warmer at any cost !!

FIGO is not an average player as well. He may have lost his great form with his age, but for me, he has been one of the performing players this season.

Anywaz, I am really hoping for GROSSO's arrival, if possible even in January !! That would be a great move for us. Favalli and Grosso for our left back would be really great.

:star:

 

[Handoyo]

Hmmm, since Toni is Italian and you are saying that he should be chosen ahead of Martins, I can't help but rebut your point in this topic, Don Tommi.

Anyways, I thought we should have continuity in our squad and all? He has improved his goal-to-minute ratio ever since he was introduced in the 02/03 season. He's in a bad form this season, but if we were to replace him with Toni, who last season fared no better than Martins, last summer, then does that fit the term "continuity"?

Of course, Toni is light years ahead of every striker we have at the moment but given the form Martins was last season, I don't think you can criticise the management in keeping their faith in this non-Italian Martins. It's like, barring the Spanish curse and all, criticising the Lazio management for buying Mendieta, who turned out to be a flop. Mendieta was arguably Europe's best midfield that season and it looked like he could be the perfect replacement for Veron, who was departing to Man Utd.

 

[Tommi]

Anyways, I thought we should have continuity in our squad and all?

Yes, continuity with the right kind of players who play well together. It isn´t wise to keep players - who clearly doesnt play well with eachothers - playing together only because of the word continuity. I have never liked the way Adriano-Martins play together and i really do doubt they will ever be a lethal duo.

Adriano plays like a winger and Martins can not do anything else than run fast. Whoever we play against have noticed our moves and knows how to defend against Adriano-Martins duo.That´s one huge reason i mentioned Toni for example. He´s the "in-box striker" and he surely knows how to score, from his head or with both feet. He reminds me a lot of "young" Vieri - who also was kind of a late bloomer - and when he finally bloomed (dont know if that´s a word), none could stop him.

Ok, let me ask you this. Do you actually think that Adriano-Martins play well together?

...Toni, who last season fared no better than Martins, last summer, then does that fit the term "continuity"?

Well, last season Toni scored 20 goals in 35 matches while Martins scored 11 in 31 matches (Serie A). To me, that´s a huge difference.

I don't think you can criticise the management in keeping their faith in this non-Italian Martins.

I dont think our management have much faith in that pair much either anymore. If they keep playing like they have, then come to january and we´ll buy some replacement. Too bad that they didn´t buy Toni (for £7 million) when they had a chance.

I don't trust that much on Martins, coz I think that he needs to learn alot, especially ball control and stuffs. Still, he's above than average.

Well said, apart from that last sentence.

I dont trust that much on Martins either, that´s why i would want him to be our "super sub" and not a starter.

 

[Adriano@10]

I dont trust that much on Martins either, that´s why i would want him to be our "super sub" and not a starter.

I TRUST ON MARTINS i know he still has lot to learn in terms of ball control and finishing, but he has alredy improoved a lot in this terms if i think of the martins we saw last year. The fact that he isen t scoring right now is not that big problem it s just a matter of time and we ll see the Martins we all know.

On u re suggestion to use him as a super sub i just think he s to good fore that, and don t forget that young players make the biggest improvments if they get playing time

 

[Mikkel]

Tommi

if you haven't hear it then Grosso might be on his way to join us next summer, and that will most likely mean that Wome will have to find himself a new club.

Anyway none of us knew that Toni would be that good this season and our partnership of Adriano and Martins would be that awful. as I said last season I didn't believe in that partnership either, precisely because of the reasons you have come up with Tommi. besides we have to remember that Toni play for the most in form team at the moment, and that both Adriano and Martins play for (let's be honest) the most out of form team at the moment. It's not like it's only those two who sucks, allot of our player do, especially the offensive ones. So of cause it makes him look allot better then the striker we have at our disposal, but saying that he is a better player then Adriano is baloney.

besides I'm not going to defend those players you have named since I was against them from the beginning. I just want to say a few thing about it and that is that Fiore is not better then Figo, he might be 3 years younger, but better that is the last thing he is.

and how can you even compare Semioli with Kily who is our 3 choice on that spot instead you should compare him with Solari.

the last thing is that Ze Maria was already here, I don't know what you think but I'm against to many changes besides who would have known that J.Zanetti would get Injured for such a long period. and we also have to remember that he usually play most of the matches so a player like Oddo would most likely have turned us down. Besides he is not that young anymore and the smell of Lazio dos not exactly make it better.

 

[Frisko]

Tommi Martins is actually Italian! He's great eh?

 

[Jake]

This whole topic is a much bigger issue, not concerning only Inter. The amount of foreign players in major leagues has increased and this is a big problem. Tommi is right when he says, that a foreign player has to be better than available italian players. If average foreign players play instead of young italian players, in the end the whole italian football suffers from it. It the same thing in Spain, England... If there are to equal players in ther skills, I think the nationality should decide. I know I sound like a racist, but it's for the good of national football.

Another thing is that of course the best players should always play and we should always buy the best available players despite of their nationality.

 

[Frisko]

Roberto Mancini on Inter playing with 11 non-Italian players against Artmedia:

"Only foreigners on the pitch? I realise it now that you tell me," said Roberto Mancini about the team that started last night's match against Artmedia. Mancini added: "For me they are all Inter players and all footballers are equal. And if we have to bring up these things, then let's stop being moralists, making advertisements against racism or saying that we are all the same."

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[Tommi]

La Lega contro l'Inter: "Vergogna" :thumbsup:

I remember few seasons ago when Arsenal did the same thing. Almost every fan i knew laughed at them and said how silly is that. Now it happens at Inter and hardly none says a thing. Now you guys are happy, but i dont think you´re thinking about the consequences this may have.

Imagine this: All 20 Serie A teams uses only foreigners. Dont you think the identity would be lost then. Italian influence would be gone. Isn´t that the exact reason we first fall for this team? To me it certainly was. We´re playing in Italy, we´re an italian team, we use only foreigners.

Imagine if this happens in every team, in every country. What would be the point of having domestic leagues like Spanish league, English premier league, Serie A, Bundesliga etc. Well, there would be no point. All those leagues would be in trouble if they wouldn´t have/use domestic players - less spectators, not so many sponsors etc. There would be only one or two global competitions (like CL) and no domestic leagues.

I looked some Inter history and found quite a pattern here...

1964/65 - CL winning team - 13 italians, 3 foreigners

1979/80 - Scudetto winning team - All italian team

1988/89 - Scudetto winning team - 16 italians, 3 foreigners

1997/98 - Uefa Cup winning team - 11 italians, 11 foreigners

2001/02 - Almost Scudetto - 10 italians (5-6 starters), 17 foreigners

2005/06 - Current season - 6 italians (maybe one as a starter / Favalli), 20 foreigners

See the path where we are going...less and less italians.

But, who am i kidding here, you guys aren´t interested about the identities of football...about the domestic leagues...about the future of football as we know it...

...you guys are happy the way things are going, good for you then...

 

[Stefan]

La Lega contro l'Inter: "Vergogna" :thumbsup:

I remember few seasons ago when Arsenal did the same thing. Almost every fan i knew laughed at them and said how silly is that. Now it happens at Inter and hardly none says a thing. Now you guys are happy, but i dont think you´re thinking about the consequences this may have.

Imagine this: All 20 Serie A teams uses only foreigners. Dont you think the identity would be lost then. Italian influence would be gone. Isn´t that the exact reason we first fall for this team? To me it certainly was. We´re playing in Italy, we´re an italian team, we use only foreigners.

Imagine if this happens in every team, in every country. What would be the point of having domestic leagues like Spanish league, English premier league, Serie A, Bundesliga etc. Well, there would be no point. All those leagues would be in trouble if they wouldn´t have/use domestic players - less spectators, not so many sponsors etc. There would be only one or two global competitions (like CL) and no domestic leagues.

I looked some Inter history and found quite a pattern here...

1964/65 - CL winning team - 13 italians, 3 foreigners

1979/80 - Scudetto winning team - All italian team

1988/89 - Scudetto winning team - 16 italians, 3 foreigners

1997/98 - Uefa Cup winning team - 11 italians, 11 foreigners

2001/02 - Almost Scudetto - 10 italians (5-6 starters), 17 foreigners

2005/06 - Current season - 6 italians (maybe one as a starter / Favalli), 20 foreigners

See the path where we are going...less and less italians.

But, who am i kidding here, you guys aren´t interested about the identities of football...about the domestic leagues...about the future of football as we know it...

...you guys are happy the way things are going, good for you then...

I fell in love with Inter cauese the club welcomed anybody now matter what your origin was.

Plus I don't see how it's a big problem. In serie a over 70% of the players playing in the league are italian.

Inter is the exception just like arsenal is the exception in england.

 

[Handoyo]

I remember few seasons ago when Arsenal did the same thing. Almost every fan i knew laughed at them and said how silly is that. Now it happens at Inter and hardly none says a thing. Now you guys are happy, but i dont think you´re thinking about the consequences this may have.

Hmmm, maybe those who didn't laughed at them then are those who don't complain now. If it takes 11 foreigners to create a team just like Arsenal of 03/04, then I say GO THE HELL AHEAD!!! :thumbsup:


Handyo

 

[Tommi]

Hmmm, maybe those who didn't laughed at them then are those who don't complain now.

Well, too bad that our database in this forum isn´t as good as xtra´s database is (It could very well be the time when we were at interforums though). Obviously i cant check who said what and when, but i remember that most of the members condemded Arsenal´s actions and laughed at them. Doesn´t really matter though...it just would´ve been interesting to read comments from that time and compare it to the present time.