Milan - Inter (4 May 08)
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Now, as for il Diavolo
Milan came in with the same formation that was used in the Livorno game, playing with one striker, supported by Kaka, who is supported by Seedorf, covered by Gennaro and Ambrosini, a Christmas tree
At last for Carlos, it worked against Inter, and the main thing that helped was becase Kaka had much work to do coming back and as such was free to go in front and do what he does best, in the past, if you read my above post, Inter played with one or two playmakers, this game realistically there was no playmaker in Inter and as such there was no pressure on aging Pirlo and Gattuso and Ambrosini, who now have an upper hand over the Inter midfield who was constrained by Gattuso, Pirlo, Ambrosini and Seedorf who battled Zanetti, Vieira, and Cuchu well this time in the game, Maniche was non existant in this game.
Kaka had a field day in the attack as he as I said he was free, Zanetti vs Pirlo, Genaro vs Cuchu, Vieira vs Ambro, Maniche was non-existant, Kaka was free and did well.
Normally, Kaka would have had been constrained more with a more active player playing in Inter's midfield, he would then need to go further back in te midfield cutting off Pippo more as we have done in the past 3 derbies.
Milan came in with the same formation that was used in the Livorno game, playing with one striker, supported by Kaka, who is supported by Seedorf, covered by Gennaro and Ambrosini, a Christmas tree
At last for Carlos, it worked against Inter, and the main thing that helped was becase Kaka had much work to do coming back and as such was free to go in front and do what he does best, in the past, if you read my above post, Inter played with one or two playmakers, this game realistically there was no playmaker in Inter and as such there was no pressure on aging Pirlo and Gattuso and Ambrosini, who now have an upper hand over the Inter midfield who was constrained by Gattuso, Pirlo, Ambrosini and Seedorf who battled Zanetti, Vieira, and Cuchu well this time in the game, Maniche was non existant in this game.
Kaka had a field day in the attack as he as I said he was free, Zanetti vs Pirlo, Genaro vs Cuchu, Vieira vs Ambro, Maniche was non-existant, Kaka was free and did well.
Normally, Kaka would have had been constrained more with a more active player playing in Inter's midfield, he would then need to go further back in te midfield cutting off Pippo more as we have done in the past 3 derbies.
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10 years of FIFWhat was that?!!!
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Forum SupporterDo you remember Mancini's first season at Inter??? the one where we drew 18 times?? Well even though we drew 18 times was any one calling for his head then?? I don't remember anybody saying anything then, and that was probably because he was an upgrade when compared to Cuper and Zach his style of play was offensive when he first managed Inter and was beautiful to watch.....we didn't just boot the ball forward for the strikers to finish (I remember a year where Vieri was Top Goal Scorer i think in 2002-2003 when all his goals were basically just him standing there and the ball would be crossed and he'd either shoot it in or head it or tap it there was no creativity) ...When Mancini came he changed that style he made it a much better attacking style and yes we drew alot but trust me that was more from the team's desire to win then tactical mistakes....and our Defence wasn't as good as it is these days...
Then with every year Mancini began playing more defensive which was never a problem in the beginning...but favoritism became part of his tactics and we'd see the likes of an unfit Stankovic or an out of form Miha or a disturbing to watch Cesar play at times when other players were better options to be in the starting 11......We then lost the CL matches to Villareal which was due to the players mentalities mostly (Mancini wasn't able to strengthen their mentalities when on paper Inter would eat Villareal alive...there's no comparison)..We had ego's on the team who were uncontrollable but we managed to do without them....In the league we were doing fine mostly because of Calciopoli removing alot of the pressure off Inter's back so i think any Manager with that Inter team could have won the league (Avram Grant included) tactics wasn't an issue because the team was level above all the other teams....Where tactics mattered (UCL) we failed against a Valencia team that lacked their most dangerous players and it was due to tactical failure we couldn't impose our will or our game plan over the course of 2 games due to the team fielded being defensive on the course of both legs....This year Milan and Juventus were back and we dominated the league but how much tactics is needed to win the league with this Inter??? When compared to other teams in serie a (Juventus, Milan, Roma) we have a much better team and have much more depth in our squad it's a fact they're not as strong as we are.....on the other hand the league consists of teams like (Atlanta,Cagliari,Catania,Genoa,Livorno,Regina,Siena,Torino)...These teams do not need a master tactician to beat when you have the players Inter have, our player's abilities overwhelm the players on those teams so we don't need a great manager to beat those teams both home and away in fact any Inter manager MUST beat those teams both home and away....Tactics become an issue when we play teams like (Milan,Juventus,Roma,Fiorentina) and lets see how our team did against those teams:
Roma 1-4 Inter (Amazing result during the start of the season away from home)
Juventus 1-1 Inter (Okay result considering we had the lead and should have hung on to it)
Fiorentina 0-2 Inter (Our team was on form mentally and had a good game)
Inter 2-1 Milan (Amazing comeback but we had the help of Dida in scoring the goals)
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Then our team's form dipped (This is when the manager matters the most)
Inter 1-1 Roma (Thanks to Zanetti's last 5 minute effort and stupid changes from Spaletti...we were lucky to win)
Inter 1-2 Juventus (Tactically dominated by the Tinkerman who's a joke of a manager)
Inter 2-0 Fiorentina (Wasn't that great of a game tactically but compared to our form in the second half of the season we did a good job)
Finally the derby...We got humiliated...add to that our form against Liverpool a team we could have beaten but were outclassed even in our own home....
other than Beating Fiorentina twice and our first win against Roma...Mancini couldn't dominate against Juventus or Milan or Roma when we needed him to set tactics that would assure us a win or atleast a dominating performance.....I don't mind losing to Milan if we play well, but we got dominated, we lost to Juventus because we got dominated, we got dominated by Roma in our own home.....A great manager would never let his team be dominated by those teams in his own home...and that's what Inter needs a great manager...
bottom line is...Tactically Inter needs a manager who can dominate against these teams in his own home and do a good job to atleast get a draw away or in a case of a loss atleast show a great performance by the team that keeps our heads high.....and remember guys these aren't the great Milan or the Great Juve of the past these are a shadow of their former teams...an over the hill Milan and a Juve that's starting to build itself again....We should have easily been able to go through them this season.....
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10 years of FIFI'm not gonna reject nor accept all of ur words but I have to diccuss them. Looking back to history and analyzing it is not an easy nor a fair thing to do because we have to put together everything and I mean everything when we're gonna talk about a period of time. His first season with all those draws was really strange. Looks like we were doomed that year! But I remember we were very unlucky in many matches. We were dominating the matches and the opponent had one chance and one goal! We were playing an offensive football and you know that affect the defence so much, now you put it on a team like us who was struggling that time to be a winning material, it affects more than usual!
For next seasons Mancini changed his first point of view for playing. I really can't (after all these years) recognise if it's offensive or defensive type of play, because I think it's something in the middle. I don't wanna talk about particular players because those players you mentioned are the ones that on that period of time I had the most of problems with them!
You can only talk about our superiority of players when they are available, not when half or MORE are out for the whole season. I believe it was our biggest problem this season, but with all of that we're still the clear favorite for winning the title.
And saying "A great manager would never let his team be dominated by those teams in his own home...and that's what Inter needs a great manager", well you can check out every team every. I'm sure there are many Great managers working out there, and all of them be dominated in some matches. And For your or any other one's information maybe that's the reason that NUMBER ONE FAVORITE MANAGER OF MANY ONES HERE Jose Mourinho is not anymore at Chelsea!
When we're gonna talk about Inter, we have to talk about JUST INTER and when we're gonna talk about other teams you are free to say what you want. I've learned this after all these years supporting this team. I still remember many years ago when we were talking and confused about WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THIS TEAM, and after all those years we're here talking about the champion of italia after 17 years!
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10 years of FIFWelcome!
If you love inter, then you are definetly in a good place.
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Forum SupporterI agree with what you said about them being unlucky that year....
and yes great managers do get dominated at times but the problem was that the case happened over and over again like the last 3 games against our main rivals (Roma,Milan,Juventus) and our game in the UCL just made me feel that Mancini isn't tactically capable.....Its like a chest match no matter how great you are you win some and you lose some but the problem occurs when you lose big matches in a row and how you lose them...I saw tactical flaws and errors and the problem that it isn't just me who saw them its alot of people....Trust me I'm not one to ask for a manager's head i was debating with a person just before the derby how if we don't get Mourinho I'd rather stick with Mancini then get someone else and how Mancini might be a great manager...But its those mistakes when you actually have a better team than the team you field, its not easy I understand but its not rocket science either...You must have a strategy, a gameplan, a goal during every game but I really scratch my head to think of what Mancini's was during the derby and the problem is this isn't the first time I scratch my head but this time it was blatant....And if it was just just myself that noticed I'd be in fault but everyone noticed the huge mistakes.....
We're all Inter fans and at the moment Mancini is one too. Meaning we all know our players Characeristics and Mancini probably knows it more than I do, I know and you know that Cruz and Crespo or both box strikers who can't create something out of nothing (unlike Zlatan and in time Balotelli)...Maniche isn't an attacking midfielder and doesn't have the creative capabilities to create for our striking pair (which showed during the game)....Was his gameplan to play counter attacks (We didn't have nobody other than Maicon on the team capable of playing that style of play within the formation)??..Or were we trying to defend for our lives?? Or were we trying to gain possession?? our formation wasn't one that does any of that its like there were 11 players just there when we had Jiminez (even if he isn't the greatest creative player in the world, he's capable of playing a better AM role than Maniche) and Suazo (could do great at the counter attacks when Milan attack)....If we started off with Suazo and Jiminez would anybody have said "WHY NOT CRESPO INSTEAD OF SUAZO" or "WHY NOT MANICHE INSTEAD OF JIMINEZ?"....
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10 years of FIFI don't know. Many things you're talking about are tactical views. I can't say anything about that because it's all just opinions. I, during the derby posted that why Mancini is playing three DM and Zanetti that actually is a defender in midfield TOGETHER?! And also fielding two physical strikers like Crespo and Cruz. It's all finished now, but it's all different opinions. Maybe as you just said if he was fielding Jimenez and Suazo many of us would said Why not Crespo and Maniche?!
Now that we know the result and have seen the performance, have a clearer view to talk about. For sure, this match has nothing to defend. Mancini could do better but beside that the players didn't play their normal match. You see a player like Javier Zanetti that is almost flawless in every match maybe played his worst match of his entire career. The line-up was disapointing but the players were disapointing too. It's all happened at the same time!