Mateo Kovačić

[ahmeds2000x]

Here's a theory to consider:

Let's assume that our management have settled their minds on selling Kovacic this season, Not only are they desperate to sell him, they're also illiterate marketing wise, and so they can't sell him for his true value. But how can they sell him for less than his worth without causing the masses to riot? Pretty simple, fill the media with garbage reports linking him to liverpool with a "25" millions move to get people pissed off, not only because they're selling Kovacic, but they're also selling him very cheap.. while orchestrating an actual move in the background that could be worth 35-40 millions, the actual sell would have got people very pissed off, because not only do most fans want to keep Kovacic, 35-40 millions is still not his real worth, not in the present time at least. but after weeks of suggesting that he could be sold for 20-25 millions that 35-40 millions could calm people down to a certain degree.

 

[Demokritos]

I dont see It is mancini who force kova to leave. He told to media days ago saying kovacic is a champion, and he should stay. if he is the one have little faith in kova and prefer him to leave, BUT saying all those shit in public as if he is innocent if we sell kova. Then It will just make thoir and management team looked like the greedy and stupid bastard.
Everybody knows that if kova is sold, inter fan will be furious. Someone will become the scapegoat and face the anger from the fan. It is highly improbable our management is happy to let mancici to be the GOOD and innocent guy, and make themself look stupid.
It just make no sense to me.

 

[chipschups]

'If we sell him I want xxx player as his replacement'

Its not gonna happen.. We always get a lesser replacement

 

[morrisama]

Kovacic's departure possibility seems to get bigger each day. it's only thohir and fans riot who can stop this madness.

fuck mancini to be honest.

 

[Wings]

:chan:

Sometimes we get so excited by the prospect of Inter developing a talented young player, that we forget the reason why we are developing the player. We are not a Palermo or an Udinese who are largely in the business of developing players for profit. We are doing so to win. If the coach does not think a player fits into his system, then we need to give him players who do.

The talk in journalistic circles is that Mancini has little faith in Kova as an AM. And Mancini has no place for a regista. It is alleged that the reason why Kova got so many starts near the end of the season was to improve his potential transfer fee. If this is true, then I can understand why Thohir will sell Kova, even if we get a few million less than what we expected. Because if we don't, Kova is going to see a lot of bench time next season, and his market value will drop very steeply. We have seen that happen often at Inter.

No one is doubting Kova's potential, its just that he is very unlikely to achieve that potential at Inter. Its better to sell him when people view him as a potential on the rise, than to sell him as a talented player who failed to get minutes. And selling a talented kid is not always a bad move - remember Balotelli?

Yao to the fucking yao.

When Mazzarri was leaving Kovacic out of his team, he was criticized on these boards and rightly so. Why should Mancini be held to any different standards? Because he's a guaranteed winner? Give me a fucking break. His credentials on that front are seriously questionable given 1) we don't have boatloads of cash like Mancini did with Man City or previously at Inter and 2) he failed the minimum goal of European qualification (pending Samp's troubles – still pretty pathetic that it would take both Genovese clubs being disqualified for Inter to get into EL).

If Mancini's delicious midfield trio of Guarin-Medel-Brozovic were leading us into a title race or a CL spot, then benching and selling Kovacic would be much more understandable (if not completely reasonable). But we're not. As n4l pointed out elsewhere, Mancini has a worse track record than Mazzarri. Even given the short amount of time he's had, that's pretty pathetic. And even if you think 8th place is acceptable, it's certainly not a mind-blowing miracle of an achievement that entitles Mancini to sell the player with arguably the highest ceiling on the team for peanuts. Bottom line is, Mancini hasn't earned the right to call all these shots.

And on principle, giving the coach all the say is a fucking horrible idea. It's basically what we did with Mazzarri. Fact is that most coaches (even the best ones – Mou, Pep) do not stay for a very long term. So giving one coach all the power is a recipe for disaster. (Which is why we need a more competent director, but that's a different discussion).

The very fact that Mancini is struggling to integrate a supremely talented midfielder into his humdrum midfield says much about his coaching ability. Fitting in ONE player of Kovacic's talent (over Guarin/Medel/Brozovic, no less) should not be such a massive dilemma. Coaches have to adapt to unexpected/unwanted squads all the time. Guardiola had no intention of keeping Eto'o at Barcelona, Mourinho had no intention of playing Mancini's midfield diamond when he arrived here. But they both adapted to the circumstances. Mancini pouting and resolutely sticking with a one-dimensional midfield trio even while it's failing to work isn't going to lift Inter up the table.

The Balotelli example.... Not even worth a reply.

 

[CafeCordoba]

That's the thing. We're apparently following Mancini's wishes here when selling Kovacic. Mancini can use Icardi but can't use Kovacic (somehow) and those are the two most valuable players we have. So we sell Kovacic.

Because an incompetent coach wants that.

Only one question remains. Who is more valuable to this club, Mancini or Kovacic?

Yeah, exactly. Really astonishing situation we have here.

 

[iThrowRocksAtBlindKids]

For the record, I'm for keeping Kova like most here.

Out of curiosity, would you still oppose a kova sale if it guaranteed both Allan and kondogbia/imbula?

 

[morrisama]

Yao to the fucking yao.

When Mazzarri was leaving Kovacic out of his team, he was criticized on these boards and rightly so. Why should Mancini be held to any different standards? Because he's a guaranteed winner? Give me a fucking break. His credentials on that front are seriously questionable given 1) we don't have boatloads of cash like Mancini did with Man City or previously at Inter and 2) he failed the minimum goal of European qualification (pending Samp's troubles – still pretty pathetic that it would take both Genovese clubs being disqualified for Inter to get into EL).

If Mancini's delicious midfield trio of Guarin-Medel-Brozovic were leading us into a title race or a CL spot, then benching and selling Kovacic would be much more understandable (if not completely reasonable). But we're not. As n4l pointed out elsewhere, Mancini has a worse track record than Mazzarri. Even given the short amount of time he's had, that's pretty pathetic. And even if you think 8th place is acceptable, it's certainly not a mind-blowing miracle of an achievement that entitles Mancini to sell the player with arguably the highest ceiling on the team for peanuts. Bottom line is, Mancini hasn't earned the right to call all these shots.

And on principle, giving the coach all the say is a fucking horrible idea. It's basically what we did with Mazzarri. Fact is that most coaches (even the best ones – Mou, Pep) do not stay for a very long term. So giving one coach all the power is a recipe for disaster. (Which is why we need a more competent director, but that's a different discussion).

The very fact that Mancini is struggling to integrate a supremely talented midfielder into his humdrum midfield says much about his coaching ability. Fitting in ONE player of Kovacic's talent (over Guarin/Medel/Brozovic, no less) should not be such a massive dilemma. Coaches have to adapt to unexpected/unwanted squads all the time. Guardiola had no intention of keeping Eto'o at Barcelona, Mourinho had no intention of playing Mancini's midfield diamond when he arrived here. But they both adapted to the circumstances. Mancini pouting and resolutely sticking with a one-dimensional midfield trio even while it's failing to work isn't going to lift Inter up the table.

The Balotelli example.... Not even worth a reply.

i definetely will nominate Wings as one of my best football poster this year.

 

[CafeCordoba]

For the record, I'm for keeping Kova like most here.

Out of curiosity, would you still oppose a kova sale if it guaranteed Allan and kondogbia/imbula?

Maybe Kondogbia, MAYBE. Others, hell no.

 

[Sqnalkel]

For the record, I'm for keeping Kova like most here.

Out of curiosity, would you still oppose a kova sale if it guaranteed both Allan and kondogbia/imbula?

The problem is that we need both Kondogbia and Kovačić. We need a great DM desperately because we only have one that is very average and a bunch of CMs that are all offensive, and we need Kovačić, because if you want to compete for European Spots you need quality players that create chances.

In this team only Kovačić, Guarín and Hernanes have that, most here agree Guarín is inconsistent as fuck (so is the rest of the team TBH) and we can't rely on him, and Hernanes has only played well a few games through the end of this season.

You also need a couple of players that can beat their man, only Kovačić and Guarín do that consistently in this team. Basically if you sell Kovačić to get Kondogbia, you then need to replace Kovačić too, guess how much players of his quality cost?

As for Allan and Imbula, as good as they are they can't be our DMs, we need a DM in the mould of Kondogbia and then Allan and Imbula can play next to him in a 'double 5' in 4-2-3-1 or in place of Guarín/Brozović in 4-3-1-2, but they don't have what it takes to play as the only DM.

 

[Bluenine]

Yao to the fucking yao.

When Mazzarri was leaving Kovacic out of his team, he was criticized on these boards and rightly so. Why should Mancini be held to any different standards? Because he's a guaranteed winner? Give me a fucking break. His credentials on that front are seriously questionable given 1) we don't have boatloads of cash like Mancini did with Man City or previously at Inter and 2) he failed the minimum goal of European qualification (pending Samp's troubles – still pretty pathetic that it would take both Genovese clubs being disqualified for Inter to get into EL).

If Mancini's delicious midfield trio of Guarin-Medel-Brozovic were leading us into a title race or a CL spot, then benching and selling Kovacic would be much more understandable (if not completely reasonable). But we're not. As n4l pointed out elsewhere, Mancini has a worse track record than Mazzarri. Even given the short amount of time he's had, that's pretty pathetic. And even if you think 8th place is acceptable, it's certainly not a mind-blowing miracle of an achievement that entitles Mancini to sell the player with arguably the highest ceiling on the team for peanuts. Bottom line is, Mancini hasn't earned the right to call all these shots.

And on principle, giving the coach all the say is a fucking horrible idea. It's basically what we did with Mazzarri. Fact is that most coaches (even the best ones – Mou, Pep) do not stay for a very long term. So giving one coach all the power is a recipe for disaster. (Which is why we need a more competent director, but that's a different discussion).

The very fact that Mancini is struggling to integrate a supremely talented midfielder into his humdrum midfield says much about his coaching ability. Fitting in ONE player of Kovacic's talent (over Guarin/Medel/Brozovic, no less) should not be such a massive dilemma. Coaches have to adapt to unexpected/unwanted squads all the time. Guardiola had no intention of keeping Eto'o at Barcelona, Mourinho had no intention of playing Mancini's midfield diamond when he arrived here. But they both adapted to the circumstances. Mancini pouting and resolutely sticking with a one-dimensional midfield trio even while it's failing to work isn't going to lift Inter up the table.

The Balotelli example.... Not even worth a reply.

I think your and my frustration is coming from the same issue - that Inter do not have a fucking philosophy. You take examples of other coaches, they are at clubs who see a tactical fit before they hire a coach. Inter seem to be hiring coaches without any such consideration. Which is why such issues arise in the first place.

Where you and I differ is that for you a talented young player is more important than the coach. For me, the coach is more important. Like I said before, the only way a vision-less club like Inter can succeed is if we have the same coach for 3-5 years.

And we have seen Mancini's track record since Fiorentina and Lazio days (when he did not have money, btw). Mancio has won league titles in 2 top nations, and he is already a fucking legend for Inter. He is at another level to muppets like Mazzarri. We don't need to base our entire analysis of Mancini on the last 6 months, we should know better.

 

[Batman]

That's the thing. We're apparently following Mancini's wishes here when selling Kovacic. Mancini can use Icardi but can't use Kovacic (somehow) and those are the two most valuable players we have. So we sell Kovacic.

Because an incompetent coach wants that.

Only one question remains. Who is more valuable to this club, Mancini or Kovacic?

Yeah, exactly. Really astonishing situation we have here.

It bothers me how a coach cant use Kovacic and wants to get rid of him, who the fuck doesnt want Kovacic in his team.

 

[.h.]

It bothers me how a coach cant use Kovacic and wants to get rid of him, who the fuck doesnt want Kovacic in his team.

well, apparently, everyone but brendan rodgers?

dwell on that for a minute
if kovacic was such a good catch, wouldnt everyone (i.e. Barca?) be after him?

Apparently Liverpool are the only ones who are really after him, what does that say?

 

[Y&h]

#FIFatm

 

[Sokrates]

Apparently Liverpool are the only ones who are really after him, what does that say?

That why we shouldn't sell NOW tbh, when there's only one club interested in him.

 

[.h.]

That we shouldn't sell NOW tbh, when there's only one club interested in him.

Sure, but if hes as good as we all keep making him out to be, where's the demand?

If Pogba was for sale, by all accounts, at half price, you can guarantee the bids would be coming quick and fast.

 

[Hasan]

He was really good in last couple games. Perfect CML or our Iniesta in 4-3-3 with two wingers what Mancini planned.

I would rather got rid of Hernanes, Guarin, Kuzmanovic and co.

Leave Kovacic, Medel, Brozovic and Taider. If we can't buy Kantogbia just buy Allan (send Gnokouri in Udine) and try to bring Motta for peanuts.

I think that we will have better middle and we will actually save some money for winger and central defender.

 

[figer]

 

[Kazaan]

well, apparently, everyone but brendan rodgers?

dwell on that for a minute
if kovacic was such a good catch, wouldnt everyone (i.e. Barca?) be after him?

Fair question imo, but what do we really know what is going on? Maybe there are other interested parties, maybe there is no Liverpool interest at all. We can assume, based on his qualities that clubs want him, but how seriously and what is exactly happening and information about it depend on journalists who aside from informing us, must entertain as well and we are caught in between.

 

[Bluenine]

Sure, but if hes as good as we all keep making him out to be, where's the demand?

If Pogba was for sale, by all accounts, at half price, you can guarantee the bids would be coming quick and fast.

That is because the other clubs don't play FM, so they don't realise the true worth of Kovacic as well as FIF does. :work: