José "The Special One" Mourinho

[tonyloo]

Haha, can someone please give me quotes or the paragraph in Mourinho's contract saying "You must win CL this year".

Please, please, please.

 

[Adam]

Mourinho is starting to piss me off. He should get it through his thick scull that the more Ibra has the ball at his feet turned towards goal the better Inter play, and the more we create. On top of playing him in a position where he barely gets to touch the ball, for the last matches he has insisted on playing longballs ALL the fucking time which clearly doesn't work at all. Like watching Mancini with the exception of no Zlatan magic.

We created nothing today unless Ibra was behind it. I think maybe one time Quaresma had a good cross and another Balotelli with a decent cutback, but that was it. I mean you would have to be a complete moron not to see it, so why does he insists on this shit? It took Ibra 20 minutes to even touch the ball in the second half, and in the first he barely got to touch it.

How well did we play? The two chances we had in the first half, was from his feet, other than that nothing. Second half exactly the same. Everytime Ibra touched the ball, well almost everytime because his touch was a little off today, we looked dangerous.

I will never understand how someone as intelligent as Mourinho would want to limit that.

 

[Joss]

Mourinho is right to play Ibrahimovic as a fixed forward or target man.

Narrowing Ibrahimovic’s role as a player will only make him more effective, as his role will be limited. It will also solidify the teams attack, because having Ibrahimovic play a free role in attack will only make our attack unorganized albeit unpredictable.

I would hate to see Mourinho make the same mistake as Mancini and depend too heavily on Ibrahimovic, which is why i believe the more Mourinho Limits his role the less the team will depend on him to always dictate the attack.

Ibrahimovic may able to dribble or outmuscle his markers in Serie A, against teams like Genoa and Reggina but that doesn’t mean he can do the same in Europe when the defenders are stronger and faster.

Ibrahimovic’s role needs to be bracketed for the better of the team and himself. Rather his responsibility be limited than have another season of underachieving because Ibrahimovic was not able to do a Kaka or C.Ronoldo in Europe.

 

[Adam]

Mourinho is right to play Ibrahimovic as a fixed forward or target man.

Narrowing Ibrahimovic’s role as a player will only make him more effective, as his role will be limited. It will also solidify the teams attack, because having Ibrahimovic play a free role in attack will only make our attack unorganized albeit unpredictable.

Good post, and pretty decent points too. In regards to him being more effective I guess that depends on how you define "effective". In terms of goals? Yes, absolutely. I'm convinced he will get at least 20 goals from open play if he's played like this. No doubt about it.

But for me, the true brilliance of Zlatan is not in the goals he scores, although he does score some magnificent ones, but in his ability to bring teammates into play. I measure his effectiveness in terms of how much he creates for the team, and how often we win games because of it.

To demenstrate this all you have to do is pick ten random matches while he has been at Inter and watch the highlights. I can guarantee that he will be behind almost 50% of the chances, sometimes more, sometmes less, and most of the time it's when he drops deep and get's the ball. Be it with some small touch, a chested pass, or a one touch layoff that puts his teamates 3 against 3.

This is what we lose when he doesn't have a freerole and it's IMO an underated ability of his because if doesn't do it no one else will, and we sruggle to create. Just watch some highlight, most of the times it's exactly as I have described.

I would hate to see Mourinho make the same mistake as Mancini and depend too heavily on Ibrahimovic, which is why i believe the more Mourinho Limits his role the less the team will depend on him to always dictate the attack.

Ibrahimovic may able to dribble or outmuscle his markers in Serie A, against teams like Genoa and Reggina but that doesn’t mean he can do the same in Europe when the defenders are stronger and faster.

True, but IMO we won't win the scudetto if we do this. I'm losing more and more faith in the people who are supposed to create's ability to do so consistently. For us to not depend on Ibra to create is basicly taking his responsibilty and putting it in the hands of people who quite frankly are not half as good at it.

Ibrahimovic’s role needs to be bracketed for the better of the team and himself. Rather his responsibility be limited than have another season of underachieving because Ibrahimovic was not able to do a Kaka or C.Ronoldo in Europe.

Yeah I disagree. I think he will get more goals in his position and therefore more praise, but the team will struggle because Mourinho minimized probably the most imortant part of Ibra's game. Although I have to say if we did have people we could rely on to create consistently, you'd be absolutely spot on.

 

[Joss]

I understand what you’re saying and there is no doubt that Ibrahimovic is our best creative force but in the end he is a farward/ striker and not an attacking midfielder. His Role is too far farward and thats why his role needs to be limited.

Ibrahimovic can’t be a striker/ target man / Creative outlet. Its not possible for him to excel in all those roles consistently throughout the entire season.

Mourinho brought in two versatile wingers to expand the teams attack and in truth he was right in doing so. But for Mourinho to give up now would make this season a failure, thus he has to stick to his guns and hope Queresma, A.Mancini come through.

Ibrahimovic as the main attacking outlet is a tactical handicap, because he’s not a midfielder al la totti, kaka who have the whole field to exercise their magic, he is a forward and his trade is restricted to a quarter of the field.

 

[Adam]

I understand what you’re saying and there is no doubt that Ibrahimovic is our best creative force but in the end he is a farward/ striker and not an attacking midfielder. His Role is too far farward and thats why his role needs to be limited.

Ibrahimovic can’t be a striker/ target man / Creative outlet. Its not possible for him to excel in all those roles consistently throughout the entire season.

Mourinho brought in two versatile wingers to expand the teams attack and in truth he was right in doing so. But for Mourinho to give up now would make this season a failure, thus he has to stick to his guns and hope Queresma, A.Mancini come through.

Ibrahimovic as the main attacking outlet is a tactical handicap, because he’s not a midfielder al la totti, kaka who have the whole field to exercise their magic, he is a forward and his trade is restricted to a quarter of the field.

Then the same thing could be said of Cristiano Ronaldo, who is more of a free flowing striker than a winger nowadays. He doesn't have to battle for longballs, and he doesn't have to stay on the wing to cross the ball in. He does this occasionaly, but most of the time he's inside the box or making a run to get into a position to score, which is why he scores so many goals and gives so few assists.

With Zlatan it would be reversed. He could fight for longballs when needed, and take the occasional run when the situation demands it, but when we're building up or outside of the opponents box looking for openings he would be much more devestating, and Inter would be better off if he was acting as the playmaker.

 

[minterke]

Zlatan is much better when he constantly has the ball at his feet running at the defence and making a killer pass...when he's played as a box striker he just constantly frustrates us with his piss poor finishing.

 

[Azzkikr]

Mourinho is right to play Ibrahimovic as a fixed forward or target man.

Narrowing Ibrahimovic’s role as a player will only make him more effective, as his role will be limited. It will also solidify the teams attack, because having Ibrahimovic play a free role in attack will only make our attack unorganized albeit unpredictable.

This makes no sense to me whatsoever.

What makes Zlatan great is his versatility in attack and that he is unpredictable. Limiting his role to a target player is limiting Zlatans ability. On top of that, he isnt a very good target player because his finishing isnt exactly the best in the world, Zlatan needs to take part in the plays every time to be effective and fully use his ability.

It makes no sense to limit Zlatan to such a role, especially when we have a clear need for better cooperation and linkup between midfield and attack not to mention control and creativity in attack.

Playing him as a free withdrawn striker is far better, you can fully utilize all of zlatans abilities like that, you dont get that by playing him as a lone target player. He is a far bigger asset to the team playing like that. This is were he can make the difference in a game, not as a lone target man, we have seen that so many times.

Its a complete waste to limit his role to this.

 

[Ziyad]

I agree..Zlatan isnt a pure finisher.He is best suited to play alongside one.I dont know why we arent adapting to him since he is our main man.

 

[rockball]

Exactly. When you have such a talent, in most cases the formation has to be changed to suit the main man. Manu do that with Ronaldo as the main man which calls for Rooney and Tevez to defend a lot.
Same way our formation should be such that Zlatan is the main man and there should be others to finish chances like Cruz and support Zlatan like Quaresma.

I felt Balotelli would play as the finisher but he was playing deep which again indicated that Zlatan was our target man

 

[tonyloo]

"My project is a three-year project and we have only done three months,
so if someone wants to compare my Inter with Roberto Mancini's,
they should compare Mancini's first three months, not those of last season."

 

[Karim]

Well let's just see here, under Mancio and under Mo, which is better for Ibra?
I'll discuss that in Ibra's page though

 

[nutcracker]

Mourinho is the highest paid coach in the world.

He was brought here for a reason - to win the CL immediately.

He wasnt brought here on a long term plan, we brought him here for instant success. We sacked mancio with alot of years going, we still pay Mancio and will keep doing so untill he either finds another job or cuts a deal with the club.

If he cant bring the CL, the minimum requirement is the Scudetto, anything less will be a complete failure. Winning nothing will mean we spent an incredible amount of money on both sacking mancio and making Mourinho the highest paid coach in the world for nothing at all.

He wont bring the CL this season, thats a given so he needs to get his shit together or we wont win the league either.

Im certain he will resign if neither objective arent reached.

You're incredibly hilarious.
Just show me sentence of Moratti where he says that Mourinho was brought here for CL success in this year and I will leave this forum forever. Moratti loves Inter too much to put such a pressure on our coach. Stop putting your words into each others mouth.

If Inter want to purchase a creative midfielder in January, the club will have to look to South America because it is most likely that any world class midfielder that can make a difference to our game and an impact in the Champions League will most likely be cup tied (player based in Europe).

Really? What about Diego? Imo, its all we need atm. I don't know why he is so underestimated. Maybe becouse he plays in such a shitty league and people think he will flop in top european league? He made laugh-stock out of our midfielders many times in our CL match, going through us like through a butter.

Imo, Cambiasso, Diego and Muntari and Adriano who worked as electron lately are capable of fixing our midfield problem.

I just don't know why we're not so interrested in him? If he will go to juve, we're in big trouble.

 

[Karim]

I guess he meant that to look to an already proven attacking midfielder here in Europe would be quite costly and the clubs might not agree to let go

As such, a foreign talent would cost less, but it will be a huge gamble. Besides, how many players who are non-EU spots left in our roster?

 

[Azzkikr]

You're incredibly hilarious.
Just show me sentence of Moratti where he says that Mourinho was brought here for CL success in this year and I will leave this forum forever. Moratti loves Inter too much to put such a pressure on our coach. Stop putting your words into each others mouth.

Its not that hard to understand, but you need to be able to put two and two together, can you do that?

1. Moratti has stated in the beginning of the last 3 seasons that the CL is the primary objective.
2. Mancini had a terrible record in the CL, and we choked every year with him.
3. Mourinho has a good record in the CL.
4. Mancini was sacked despite winning 3 scudetto's in a row.

Why else do you sack a 3 time scudetto winning coach, still paying his salaries as we speak and hire Mourinho and makes him the best paid coach on the planet?

Moratti is desperate for CL succes, its obvious to anyone with an IQ above 80. If mancini had been abit more succesfull in the CL and Moratti thought there was any possibility of him winning the CL then he wouldnt have been sacked. Moratti didnt just change coaches for the hell of it, he did because it was needed to achieve his dream - the CL.

And besides that, Mourinho stated himself in an interview, when asked what the teams primary focus was he said the CL was the priority but the league was important too and he wanted to win all competitions.

 

[nutcracker]

Nope. Actualy, its not obvious unless Moratti will state that. I don't know if you are a witch, or some mind reader? Perhaps you have seen to much of Heroes serie, huh?

I will repeat. Stop putting your words into each other mouth. Mourinho stated it once that he was never told by Moratti to win CL.

Mancini was sacked becouse:
1. He lost control over team.
2. Felt out with too many players. Ibra, Figo, Adriano and many others.
3. Declared he is leaving after Liverpool 2nd match, then changed him mind what had put the team in confusion.
4. With the time, the team was showing worst and even worst performance.
5. Almost lost scudetto.
6. Didn't manage to win against Liverpool in CL.


Actualy, bad Champions league performance is 1 of 6 (if not more, reasons why Mancini got sacked.)

Why else do you sack a 3 time scudetto winning coach, still paying his salaries as we speak and hire Mourinho and makes him the best paid coach on the planet?

Why? Are you handicapped, mentaly retarded or what? Becouse he had contract that lasts for few more years and he didn't want to break it coz he would earn less money. And if that's not enough for you, then check the 6 points I mention above. I even bolded it for you so you could see it clearier. Then you will have full explaination why he was sacked, even on those rules.

Moratti is desperate for CL succes, its obvious to anyone with an IQ above 80. If mancini had been abit more succesfull in the CL and Moratti thought there was any possibility of him winning the CL then he wouldnt have been sacked. Moratti didnt just change coaches for the hell of it, he did because it was needed to achieve his dream - the CL.

No, it's not. And I repeat again, don't put your words into each other mouth. Moratti did not see only no possibility to win CL. He didn't see any chance of succeeding anywhere with Mancini.

Moratti might have said he wants to win CL but he never said he is as desperate for this. Mancini lost control over Inter and Moratti didn't see future in him, thats why he got sacked (shortly saying).

And besides that, Mourinho stated himself in an interview, when asked what the teams primary focus was he said the CL was the priority but the league was important too and he wanted to win all competitions.

Another bullshit. I will repeat my words again. Don't put your words into each other mouth.
Mourinho said he wants to win everything, becouse if you plan to win only 1 tournament, there is bigger possibility not to win anything.


Seriously man, you're acting like press. Pressuming what people say and make out your ridiculous stories. Stop presuming what people might have thought, start reading what they say and base your opinions on their words, not on your laughable specculations :howler:
Oh, and stop putting your words into each other mouth.

 

[Ilkinio]

4. Mancini was sacked despite winning 3 scudetto's in a row.

Why else do you sack a 3 time scudetto winning coach, still paying his salaries as we speak and hire Mourinho and makes him the best paid coach on the planet?

U have a dirty habit of using same thesis in 2 diametrically different arguments. In ur posts against Mancini u declared that these scudettos mean nothing at all because one we get in court, second was without Juve in Serie A, third was with weak teams. And now this.

Once again shows that u r pathetic scum.

 

[A.l.i]

Nutcracker, its pretty obvious that Jose has a clause in his contract which states that the team must stamp its authority in Europe or else you're out.

 

[nutcracker]

But it doesn't mean he MUST win Champions league. Getting to half final would be enough.

 

[Handoyo]

I'm with nut here. The biggest reason why Mancini was sacked was not because he did poorly in Europe but because, for whatever reasons (favoritism, post-Liverpool, conflicts, etc), Moratti saw that the team was going nowhere and was on a freefall with Mancini. Of course failure in Europe is a big reason as well but I don't think it is THE main reason.