Inter's next captain?

[monster09]

3-4 years back team was full of leaders and now it looks like there isn't a single stand out choice. So much has changed in last 3-4 years.

 

[CafeCordoba]

I'd call Vidic a leader, wouldn't you?

 

[Batman]

Naga would make a good captain.

 

[monster09]

I'd call Vidic a leader, wouldn't you?

Yeah leader for sure. I meant stand out leader as in Captain. Vidic hardly speaks Italian or knows the club and it's traditions. So too many factors to consider before calling anyone a standout choice.

For example few years back had Zanetti retired you had many superb choices like Samuel, Cambiasso, Julio Cesar, Maicon. Now it's not the same. Only standout leader is Vidic but I don't think you can give him armband for the reasons I mentioned.

 

[A.l.i]

Whats worrying is that we give Rano the armband and we know that he's not immune to those mistakes he does.

3rd game as captain and he brainfarts.

 

[Black Knight]

I'm just hoping the captain's armband acts like a kick up his ass, and he sorts his head out, eliminating his brainfarts.

But that's unlikely to happen.

 

[A.l.i]

We all hope for that.

 

[Devious]

 

[Wings]

Wings, I think a good example would be the difficulty to communicate and organize a wall during freekicks without losing ones mind, let alone control his team. Hart, looking at you. Other keep mentioning Buffon or Casillas but forget the personalities they've got beside them like Puyol or Pirlo that ease their roles. We have been suffering with the leadership influince for a while now, specially when we lack other dominant figures (personality wise) in other positions.

Granted that now with Vidic, despite the language barrier, we can slowly alter that to our advantage. Juan showed character last season too which we can hope it'll blossom beside experience.

PS: If there are mistakes, blame sleep deprivation..

Hmm? Does Handanovic have issues not losing his mind or something? It's a goalkeeper's job to organize the wall. I'm not sure what you're trying to say tbh.

 

[alamarco]

When Zanetti was captain, did he leave his post at full-back, run all the way up to the pitch to the forwards, and give them a pat on the back before running back? And why does the captain have to personally put them 'back on track?' Is the captain required to coach the team as well now?

No one said the captain has to be coach. You're the only who said that. The captain has to lead. If the captain doesn't have the personality to put the team back on track, what is the significance of the captain? What's the point of having a leader if he doesn't lead?

Your argument about defenders feeling bad about letting Handanovic down is ridiculous. First off, if they did let him down due to poor defending they should know that they let him down regardless of whether or not Handanovic is captain. Second, your logic could be applied to any position on the field. Almost every player will have a moment, guaranteed, where he feels he like let his captain down, whether it's losing his marker, failing to receive a pass from the captain, not converting a chance created by the captain, not passing to the captain in a promising position, losing defensive position and forcing the captain to tactically foul, etc. Third, if a goalkeeper is unable to inspire confidence after his team concedes a goal, that's a fault of character, not position. It means you have a shitty goalkeeper.

And you still haven't given a reason why a goalkeeper can't be vocal other than 'they just can't,' not to mention that JZ was one of the least vocal captains in history.

Just look at David Luiz. Without Silva in the line-up to clam things down and to lead the team they imploded. They absolutely could not get back on track. Cesar was the goalie and he is a better goalie and a better personality than Handanovic by far. If Cesar couldn't help the team when Silva was missing how is Handanovic going to do so? With Silva in the team Germany may have scored a couple, but they are not scoring 5 goals.

That is what your leader needs to do. That is what a goalie cannot provide as proven by Cesar who is better in every category than Handanovic.

You also have not given any indication why Handanovic would be a good captain. How is he going to lead this team? How will he help right the ship when the ship starts to sink?

 

[Y&h]

@Wings: I'm comparing the duty with the method in general.

A goalkeeper's range to enlist discipline is merely vocal due to the restrictions on his mobility and role hence my reservation. In the case of Handanovic, I find it difficult to burden him with such a responsibility at this fragile phase we're going through. I'll try to explain my fears..

A goalkeeper much like a striker is constantly in the spotlight, an instant would let him make or break his team's effort. In these last few seasons, our defensive third has been quite fragile and reliant on Samir to bail them out constantly to the point where it endangered his continuity by referees. We can't pile up additional pressure on him by demanding he wears the armband, it's difficult to be the team's constant and final savior let alone the new role model.

Even though all our influential players have just left, I do concur with Mazzarri notion that our seniors impact on the opposition as well as their teammates has been withering lately which explains the latest mercato moves. The privileges other goalie captains possess don't yet exist in this patched up Inter. Looking at the squad's roster, you can't expect a clash of young egos and personalities off the pitch to be mended by Nagatomo or Guarin. Oh, and even the teammates on the pitch conflicts can't be resolved swiftly by a goalkeeper with the absence of strong personalities in our ranks.

 

[thorn]

That is what your leader needs to do. That is what a goalie cannot provide as proven by Cesar who is better in every category than Handanovic.

Are you seriously comparing Toronto FC's 34 year old keeper to one of the best GK's in the world or are you still living in 2010?

 

[Wings]

No one said the captain has to be coach. You're the only who said that. The captain has to lead. If the captain doesn't have the personality to put the team back on track, what is the significance of the captain? What's the point of having a leader if he doesn't lead?

I assumed "back on track" meant tactics.

Just look at David Luiz. Without Silva in the line-up to clam things down and to lead the team they imploded. They absolutely could not get back on track. Cesar was the goalie and he is a better goalie and a better personality than Handanovic by far. If Cesar couldn't help the team when Silva was missing how is Handanovic going to do so? With Silva in the team Germany may have scored a couple, but they are not scoring 5 goals.

That is what your leader needs to do. That is what a goalie cannot provide as proven by Cesar who is better in every category than Handanovic.

Got it. The fact that Julio Cesar couldn't bail out one of the worst Brazil sides in memory from one of their worst performances ever proves that no goalkeeper can ever lead their side. It doesn't matter that Julio Cesar has declined greatly, that he has been sitting on the bench for QPR before going to fucking MLS for WC prep, that Handanovic is a better goalkeeper than him now, or that Julio Cesar wasn't even captain for the 7-1 defeat.

You also have not given any indication why Handanovic would be a good captain. How is he going to lead this team? How will he help right the ship when the ship starts to sink?

He is consistently quality, so no political issues with having to drop him due to poor performances and no awkward situation where your captain is making noticeable errors. (Aka Rano). He's been at the club long enough (yes, he's been here only two seasons, but let's face it, there's not much seniority on the team to begin with). The defenders seem to listen to him during set-pieces (=can command respect), and he's unafraid to be vocal about his frustrations when need be but is generally cool-headed.

@Wings: I'm comparing the duty with the method in general.

A goalkeeper's range to enlist discipline is merely vocal due to the restrictions on his mobility and role hence my reservation. In the case of Handanovic, I find it difficult to burden him with such a responsibility at this fragile phase we're going through. I'll try to explain my fears..

A goalkeeper much like a striker is constantly in the spotlight, an instant would let him make or break his team's effort. In these last few seasons, our defensive third has been quite fragile and reliant on Samir to bail them out constantly to the point where it endangered his continuity by referees. We can't pile up additional pressure on him by demanding he wears the armband, it's difficult to be the team's constant and final savior let alone the new role model.

Even though all our influential players have just left, I do concur with Mazzarri notion that our seniors impact on the opposition as well as their teammates has been withering lately which explains the latest mercato moves. The privileges other goalie captains possess don't yet exist in this patched up Inter. Looking at the squad's roster, you can't expect a clash of young egos and personalities off the pitch to be mended by Nagatomo or Guarin. Oh, and even the teammates on the pitch conflicts can't be resolved swiftly by a goalkeeper with the absence of strong personalities in our ranks.

And yet Inter wants to preserve the team's 'fragility' by giving the armband to a player who plays like a nervous kid and has literally not played well for more than several weeks at a time. Rano's brainfarts have put him in the spotlight more than any goals Handanovic has conceded.

Maybe the armband will bring the consistency out of Rano that we've all been begging for. But I'm not optimistic.

 

[Y&h]

Neither am I tbh..

 

[A.l.i]

Fingers crossed really regarding Rano this season.

 

[alamarco]

Are you seriously comparing Toronto FC's 34 year old keeper to one of the best GK's in the world or are you still living in 2010?

You have to be joking? Neuer, Bravo, Ochoa, Buffon, Casillas, Courtois, Lloris... I can keep going. You can't talk age when talking about a goalie. Goalies age like fine wine and Cesar is no exception. Handanovic is a top goalie. Hell, we should be going after Ochoa since he's still available.

Got it. The fact that Julio Cesar couldn't bail out one of the worst Brazil sides in memory from one of their worst performances ever proves that no goalkeeper can ever lead their side. It doesn't matter that Julio Cesar has declined greatly, that he has been sitting on the bench for QPR before going to fucking MLS for WC prep, that Handanovic is a better goalkeeper than him now, or that Julio Cesar wasn't even captain for the 7-1 defeat.

Playing in the MLS has nothing to do with skill what so ever. Just look at our strikers. David Villa is now playing in the MLS and Villa could easily be our top striker if we had him in our squad. Jermaine Defoe is another example of a striker who would only have a rival in Palacio.

Cesar went to the MLS because QPR got relegated. He wasn't going to play in the 2nd division and no one wanted to take on his high salary (QPR threw too much money around) so going to the MLS was the perfect opportunity for him. If it wasn't for his high wage demands he would still be our keeper or with another top club.

Until Cesar retires Handanovic will never be a better goalie than Cesar.

He is consistently quality, so no political issues with having to drop him due to poor performances and no awkward situation where your captain is making noticeable errors. (Aka Rano). He's been at the club long enough (yes, he's been here only two seasons, but let's face it, there's not much seniority on the team to begin with). The defenders seem to listen to him during set-pieces (=can command respect), and he's unafraid to be vocal about his frustrations when need be but is generally cool-headed.

You shouldn't use Handanovic as an example of not having poor performances or making noticeable errors. Going back to 2 season ago under Stramaccioni he has constantly had games where he either misses punches on corners or awkwardly gets his fist on the ball because he misjudged the flight of the ball. That happened under Stramaccioni and under Mazzarri. The only reason he hasn't been dropped is we have no better replacement.

You're right in that he does command respect from defenders, but I can't think of a goalie who doesn't. If defenders aren't listening to a goalie on set pieces than that team has a lot more to worry about.

And yet Inter wants to preserve the team's 'fragility' by giving the armband to a player who plays like a nervous kid and has literally not played well for more than several weeks at a time. Rano's brainfarts have put him in the spotlight more than any goals Handanovic has conceded.

Maybe the armband will bring the consistency out of Rano that we've all been begging for. But I'm not optimistic.

I'm not arguing that Rano deserves the armband. I agree with you there. For longer tenured players I'd put my trust in Nagatomo, but in terms of leadership I'd say Vidic would be captain. Vidic only just arrived, but he is a leader by definition.

 

[wera]

I just hope this is a ploy to sell Rano for more than 10 mil to Juve or something like that

 

[Universe]

Handanovic is a top goalie. Hell, we should be going after Ochoa since he's still available.

...

The only reason he hasn't been dropped is we have no better replacement.

:O

 

[Dylan]

What am I reading? Cesar has possibly the worst handling I've seen in a goalkeeper starting in a World Cup for a top team. Handanovic > Cesar. No question.

 

[alamarco]

What am I reading? Cesar has possibly the worst handling I've seen in a goalkeeper starting in a World Cup for a top team. Handanovic > Cesar. No question.

That says a lot about our current state of goalkeeping. If you think Cesar has the worst handling in the World Cup, then it's pretty sad when Handanovic is even worse. Like I mentioned above, Handanovic had more fumbles on corners than can be counted in the past 2 years. Even the commentators would mention this throughout the season as he struggled.

Handanovic will never at any point in his career be better than Cesar. Luckily we have a young Italian goalie coming who might be able to solve our goalie woes.