Inter - Frosinone (22 Nov 15) [4-0]

[bandiera]

So Handanovic's confidence gain has nothing to do with Mancini putting a defence in front of him? Due to Mancini going out and adding a new defensive spine in Miranda, Melo and Murillo.

Whatever has helped motivate Handanovic is irrelevant. if our defense is so reliant on handanovic being in godmode, then its not sustainable because its dependent on his form. The point is that "the best defense in Serie A" would not rely on a goalkeeper to be world class to get wins/clean sheets against torino, bologna, and roma. we concede more chances and space to our opponents than fiorentina, napoli, and juve. two of those teams have only conceded 1 and 2 more goals than us and they don't have handanovic to save their asses.

 

[Pimpin]

I agree with bandiera. Higuains case cant be translated into Handanovic. It would be a fallacy, since Higuans productivity has raised due to better movement behind him, better ball movement, having more chances, and hence scoring more. While Handanovic has not seen a "big" reduction of shots he has to save, nullifying your argument that the defense is helping him more. He is just being fucking superhuman, we need to improve ourself even more to hang on a 3rd spot

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ps. If it takes such a small improvement of our defense for handa to perform like this, can you imagine him at bayern?

 

[Mnassar]

Fucking Bandieraaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! Unbelievable!!!!!!! My blood boils every time I read your self contradicting bullshit. So Handa made 3 world class saves in 2 games. Big fucking deal! That's his motherfucking job! It doesn't mean that our defence depends on him, it just means he made a few good saves. And honestly I love how you love to project ridiculous what if scenarios out of your ass, but when someone says we lost to Fio because of Handa you're quick to say, oh no, never would've happened. Fuck this. I hope we win the scudetto racking up nothing but ugly 1-0s all season long just to read your ridiculous conjectures and self deprecation. I fucking love ugly football.

 

[kameru]

here we go

 

[Joker]

posts of the year..lol

 

[Glass box]

Inter clearly lost to Fiorentina because of Handanovic. There was nothing wrong with anyone else in the team.

Then again against Roma, Torino and Bologna he probably was the man of the match. Altough it's very hard to calculate mathematically how much some player contributed/damaged his team so that argument might be useless. Also, why did he played good/bad it's almost impossible for us to know since we're not Mancini and we clearly don't know what happens on trainings etc.

 

[Javier'sSon]

Lol at those saying Handa's from is due to Mancini's genius set up, like he hasn't been our best performing player 3 of the last 4 seasons.

Fucking Bandieraaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! Unbelievable!!!!!!! My blood boils every time I read your self contradicting bullshit.

Why don't you put him in the ignore list if that is true? And indeed if the ignore list exists in FIF.
Difference in opinions is what makes discussions worthwhile and I honestly don't think he's talking out of his ass, his arguments are logical most of the time at least even if you don't agree with them. For example, I disagree with him on his point on Higuain, Sarri does not have that big of an influence on him or his goal scoring record due to the fact that for the last couple of season Higuain has been scoring plenty of goals with a different manager/set up.

I agree with him on Handa's point (clear from my 1st sentence of my post) in Viola's game, we did not lose solely because of him but we lost 1-4 because of him. Every player on the pitch makes mistakes all the fuckin time, attackers and midfielders included, difference is when a striker misses a goal scoring opportunity (a mistake) he could score from another chance whereas keepers do not have that privilege and making a mistake will almost always result in a goal conceded.

 

[Jane The Virgin]

The question comes down to whether you think Handanovic should count as part of the defense.

Also I do think there is a distinction between a good defensive record and a good defense.

I do consider him part of our defense, completely. And understand you point, but he is the one that has been saving our ass for many games now, not the CB's not the wingbacks, etc...

Its like we win 5 games in a row 1:0, and in all the games Murillo makes several last second efforts and stops the ball from entering the goal after the GK has been beaten. I would then say - fuck our defense, fuck our goalkeeper, its just Murillo who has kept our goal clean.You would go and say "but he is part of our defense", yes ofc he is, but he stands out the most.

They give the golden ball to Ronaldo, not the Carvajal or Kovacic or Pepe, or the whole team, so thats what im trying to say, Handa has been the only one so far to stand out in our clean sheet results.

 

[Wings]

The comparison between Handanovic and Higuain is odd. In an ideal game, a goalkeeper would not need to be doing much, and his performances are usually solely the result of individual input, not the help of others.. But you always want your striker doing a lot. Think of the best defenses in the world and how much work their goalkeepers do – players like Neuer, who in fact gets criticized by some people for not having much work to do.

I'm not saying that our defense is bad or that it hasn't improved from last season. But I am saying that in the games where Handanovic has been godly, that's not because of an amazing defense.

 

[ScottishInterista]

I think the thing is that we havent needed him to be godly as often as we have in the past

 

[militoscores]

I don't care, you actually wrote that you were concerned for the well being of Guarin! There has to be an infraction for this sorcery.

guarins sorcery got us 3 vital points vs milan and didnt he win pen vs carpi too?

 

[Javier'sSon]

guarins sorcery got us 3 vital points vs milan and didnt he win pen vs carpi too?

As I told Shark before you, I was only riding the hate bandwagon for Guarin for the fun of it (not going to lie I tend to criticize him a lot more than compliment him). Of course giving credit where it's due I agree with what you said but you can't deny the umpteenth time where he frustrate us fans with killing our attacks or taking way too long to make his critical move (pass/shoot) or his silly unnecessary fouls or skyrocketing the ball to new unknown horizons. I don't begrudge him for his passion and commitment though and his rare moments of magic, if only he could improve on his many bad aspects of his game he would've been one hell of a player for us.

I would confidently say that after 4 years he's been with us, he has been a flop unfortunately. A flop in the sense of the potential he should and we hoped he'd bring judging from his Porto days, at least that's me.

 

[Bluenine]

Does anyone here seriously think that a GK is not dependent on his defence? That could not be further from the truth. A goalkeeper is usually only as good as the defenders ahead of him - a good defence can do wonders to a GK's confidence and performance. Goalkeepers in that way are not that different from strikers like Icardi (who rely on their team to create chances). A GK relies on his defence to hold their positions and defend them well do that he can focus on the gaps. When a GK does not have confidence on his defence, he will make more mistakes. He will do things like coming out more often on corners/crosses even when he is not sure of getting to the ball first - just because he doesn't trust his defence to deal with it. Great goalkeepers may win you a game or two with an average defence, but 8 clean sheets out of 12? You must be smoking something exotic if you think any GK can achieve that without the defenders ahead of him doing their job very well.

It is not a coincidence that Handanovic looked average last season with Juan+Ranocchia in front of him, and now Handanovic is playing like a God. Its because Miranda+Murillo+Medel+Melo are playing very well too (and that we are literally playing with an extra man in the defensive midfield). Handanovic has confidence on which angles the defenders will cover, and which he has to focus on.

I am amazed that some people think GK's are not a part of the defence. These days all 11 players are part of the defence. But the core of any defence is usually the GK and the CBs. Followed by the FBs and DMs. You cannot exclude the GK when you talk about how good or bad a defence is. He is part of the fucking core. Football is a team game after all.

Bandiera is stuck in the corner with his agenda of "Mancini relies on individuals" and everything he says takes him deeper into that realm. I am afraid this time he took a poor example to further that agenda. Inter's defence is working well as a collective effort, despite the odd individual error. Not the other way round. Last season when Medel made a suicidal pass in the wrong end of the pitch, it usually resulted in a goal against us. This season when he does that, the other team has to deal with Miranda/Murillo immediately, and by the time they do that there are 4-5 other Inter players in position. Even if there is an angle to shoot at the goal, Handanovic is covering that well. That is how it works.

 

[spqr351]

Napoli has conceded alot more than us , yes for inter ( Mancini) standards one goal is alot
If we conceded one goal more we wouldnt be top of the table

To sum up : we have the best defence in serie a , napolis defence is shit

Dont make me come back and explain this again
Have a good day

 

[Dylan]

Does anyone have stats on shots faced for a comparison?

 

[Glass box]

Inter is second on the table (only) due to head-to-head stats, who the fuck cares for the rest of the details? Win 27 more games 1-0 and rape all of the Serie A bunch of teams in their respective arses until all of their shit and organs prolapse through their arseholes. RMancini10 mode on

 

[dejavu]

Inter is second on the table (only) due to head-to-head stats, who the fuck cares for the rest of the details? Win 27 more games 1-0 and rape all of the Serie A bunch of teams in their respective arses until all of their shit and organs prolapse through their arseholes. RMancini10 mode on

Fucking hell dude. You're like a gore fiend. Your other post freaked me the fuck out as well.

 

[Mnassar]

Lol at those saying Handa's from is due to Mancini's genius set up, like he hasn't been our best performing player 3 of the last 4 seasons.



Why don't you put him in the ignore list if that is true? And indeed if the ignore list exists in FIF.

Because he's actually a good poster in general and also kinda like when there's a terrible accident on the road and you know that you shouldn't look but you do anyway. Hehehe. Bandiera: I love to hate on him.

 

[ScottishInterista]

Does anyone have stats on shots faced for a comparison?

http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/108/Tournaments/5/Seasons/5970/Stages/12770/TeamStatistics/Italy-Serie-A-2015-2016

Seems we have conceded and awful lot of shots on target according to whoscored which seems odd

 

[Wings]

I think the thing is that we havent needed him to be godly as often as we have in the past

I don't deny that's true, but it amazes me that requiring Handanovic to be in action can be considered a sign of a good defense. I'm not making a general statement (like 'our defense has been shit' or 'Napoli for sure have better defense than us' or 'Handanovic is the only reason we have 8 clean sheets'), because on the whole I do think our defense has improved massively from last season. I'm only saying, in the specific games where Handanovic has made a ridiculous number of saves, the defense did not perform adequately.

When Handanovic moved here from Udinese, his goalkeeper coach even said something like 'with the better defense at Inter, you'll be doing a lot less work.' The point about Handanovic's confidence is a valid one, and no one is saying it is bad to have a good goalkeeper, but ideally a good defense should not be resorting to their goalkeeper as often as happened against Roma. (Btw, if confidence is the barometer for defensive security, than the best defense we've had in the past few years was under Strama).