Inter - Cagliari (26 Jan 20) [1-1]

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Wasn't able to watch the game, so don't know how was the refereeing overall, but that was clear foul on Lautaro, the ref with his decision provoked Lautaro to go apeshit. No we are to play without our most dangerous player against Udinese away
 

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Man Utd did not give Mourino any money. They spent an awful lot of money disregarding his requests because that's how they operate since Alex Ferguson left.

When you give Mourinho what he wants, he always delivers.

Porto.
Chelsea first stint.
Inter.
Real Madrid.

In his second Chelsea stint they didn't give him shit that he wanted. They ended up with Eto'o and Willian at the end of the window and had bought Schurrle as well. He managed to get Diego Costa in his second season there which was a request of his (which was basically a physical striker who can score) and sold players he didn't need at the time (including Lukaku and David Luiz) and managed to win the league.

At Man Utd he was asking for several players and he only got Zlatan Ibrahimovic. He was completely ignored and toyed by Woodward, as he was telling him that the players he requested are out of their price range and then they bought guys like Fred for triple the amount his team was asking for :lol: Oh and they went to buy Harry Maguire after they sacked him for more than Tottenham wanted for Alderweireld that Mourinho had requested :lol: :lol:

There's no comparison man. Mourinho is an elite coach, Conte is not.


Oh please, if Mou is such an elite coach he could easily have said no to Fred and more. He wanted them. Don't try to make Mou into a pussy accepting every player thrown at him instead of his original goals. He got Zlatan, Pogba, Matic, Lukaku, Sanchez, Lindelof, Bailly, Mkhtaryan, Dalot and Fred for 373 (!!!) million euro. Also, you slam Conte for buying 'Conte' players while he also doesn't get who he originally wanted, but for Mou you make an exception?

I agree with CoolMan44, Mou was an elite coach. I love the fucker, but he really would not be the right coach after Spallo to get us back to the top. Conte is.
 

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He NAMED the players he wanted....

Here we go again. I am sure Conte approved the two players we have bought so far this winter (Young & Moses), but you cannot say that he got the players he wanted. Maybe if Inter had signed Vidal and Alonso, you could make that claim. But with Young and Moses, all we can say is that Conte has compromised to some extent to accept these players under current constraints. We just don't know whether these players were Conte's 2nd choice or 5th choice or 10th choice, but we certainly know that they weren't his desired option.

Also, its important to point out that Young was probably our best player today. So I cannot really fault Conte's choice here.
 

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Mourinho improved them in the CL but couldn't take them over the line. Ancelotti won it the season afte and Zidane has been able to win it 3 times in a row. Mourinho even failed against a PSG team that had Zlatan sent off early in the game. He hasn't been relevant in the Champipms League in quite some time.

Dude, do you realize that Inter since 2003 has been doing much better in CL than Real Madrid? And that until Mourinho went there, they haven't been to a CL semi since that 2003 season?

Ancelotti found that team on the plate and he's a great coach so he managed to win.
Zidane found a team that was used to success by that point and it was working on auto-pilot in the pitch, all he had to do was keep the players in line.

You keep brining up that he lost to Sevilla. He also managed to win the Europa League with those turds and got a win vs Juventus away with a team of scrubs, even if the blame for that was mostly Allegri's uselessness.

Conte is nowhere near Mourinho's league. He's more of a shined up Spalletti type of coach. I think now that you can live him more vividly and not from whatever media reports you read you can see that he's a stubborn coach that refuses to make changes when necessary and is so fixated on playing with a specific type of players for each role he wants.

The only thing concerning about Mourinho's abiliy is his knack of choosing a team. Going back to Chelsea, bad idea. Going to Man Utd always was a terrible idea. Going to Tottenham in the middle of the season after Pochettino has reached the stars 4 months ago, bad choice as well. His managerial ability has not lost anything, he just manages to get himself to bad situations.

Conte on the other hand has been trash in shit situations. And he's been favored by great situations at Juventus as he was their coach in the season they went all in with their new stadium, he wasn't as great in Italy as it is made out, but was a stubborn fuck that could have had Italy in the final again but instead he played with Pelle, Eder and Giaccherini and then at Chelsea he did a great job making soldiers out of anarchic players in October but he then lost them. And now at Inter, he came at the right time where we had 200+ millions to splash in the market and managed to be a regular in the Champions League due to Spalletti's (limited) success.

I'm sorry, but I never bought the Conte is an amazing coach hype. He's good, but let's not get excited over nothing. I'd even give Mancini back this job or even go for Allegri before looking at Conte as an option to coach Inter, his past included for that.

And I'm not saying this because he's been in charge of a team in shit form for 2 months, I've been saying the very same things before he even got here and will keep saying the same things long after he's gone, unless he pulls a couple of miracles that changes the facts.

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Oh please, if Mou is such an elite coach he could easily have said no to Fred and more. He wanted them. Don't try to make Mou into a pussy accepting every player thrown at him instead of his original goals. He got Zlatan, Pogba, Matic, Lukaku, Sanchez, Lindelof, Bailly, Mkhtaryan, Dalot and Fred for 373 (!!!) million euro. Also, you slam Conte for buying 'Conte' players while he also doesn't get who he originally wanted, but for Mou you make an exception?

I agree with CoolMan44, Mou was an elite coach. I love the fucker, but he really would not be the right coach after Spallo to get us back to the top. Conte is.

Mourinho would never ask for trash players because he is not afraid of a quality player who can be a primadonna. In fact, he thrives with such players. Conte drives them away.

And Mourinho had virtually no say in Man Utd's transfer activity. They'd tell him that they are going to sign this guy and that guy and give him their reasoning. It wasn't up to Mourinho to veto anything.
 

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it ain't over 'til the fat lady sings. I am sure Conte will find a way to perform better in the second half of the championship.
 

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I have yet to find an Italian coach that’s worth sitting on the Inter bench. They seem to be player collectors than real coaches.
 

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Here we go again. I am sure Conte approved the two players we have bought so far this winter (Young & Moses), but you cannot say that he got the players he wanted. Maybe if Inter had signed Vidal and Alonso, you could make that claim. But with Young and Moses, all we can say is that Conte has compromised to some extent to accept these players under current constraints. We just don't know whether these players were Conte's 2nd choice or 5th choice or 10th choice, but we certainly know that they weren't his desired option.

Also, its important to point out that Young was probably our best player today. So I cannot really fault Conte's choice here.

Not sure how great he was in the first half, but he wasn't any good in the second half. Lost the ball in a dangerous spot at least twice and he only had like one decent combination on the right wing once.

Also saw his assist and that first touch was atrocious. He was lucky that the defender didn't go for him immediately otherwise he'd just lose the ball right away.

Ashley Young was his choice. So was Victor Moses. Nobody told him that those are the only two players available. There's also Meunier available, we didn't make a move because it wouldn't please the coach.

And yes, Vidal was an option and we had several bids rejected by Barcelona. Alonso was never a real option and Conte did not request him. Just another smokescreen media report fed from our club. Which I was hoping would be the case with Ashley Young and Victor Moses :lol:
 

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the biggest disappointment for me in this match was our players surrounding the referee, even though he didn't seem to have made a mistake at that. let's leave this shit to rubentus.

Absolutely this...
 

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I really don't get you guys.
We were extremely disappointing today, showing the same issues that had been put on display in the Lecce game. That is, lack of intensity, lethargic and uninspired build-up, and horrible decision-making in the final third (Sensi being the main culprit today). Add to the mix Conte's apparent refusal to even consider alternate solutions to his beloved 3-5-2, and you have the causes of our recent struggles summed up. It's clear that, unless we improve the quality of our performances, we're bound to drop even more points along the way.

That being said, every team is bound to have the occasional bad game (or even go through a streak of poor performances) during the season. Which doesn't mean the referee should feel entitled to fuck them up, though. Today's refereeing was disgraceful and cost us the game as there was a penalty for us (the defender hurled himself straight against Young) and their goal shouldn't have stood. Especially considering that a few minutes later the ref called a foul against Bastoni on an identical incident just outside Cagliari's box. And don't even get me started on the fact that every 50-50 incident went Cagliari's way. Lautaro (and Inter along with him) will pay a heavy price for today's red card, but his reaction is understandable considering he wasn't awarded a single foul throughout the game whereas Simeone only needed to faint to get a freekick at the edge of our box.

A lot of Inter fans are moaning about the gap with juve and Lazio, yet seem to ignore how many games these two teams have so far won without playing any better than we've been doing in these past few weeks. Let me get this: if any other team play like shit but end up winning anyway thanks to a scrappy goal, a lucky deflection, or even the ref (could easily name a half a dozen instances for both teams) that's the so-called "winning mentality". If Inter do the same, but get fu**ed in the ass by the referee, we deserve it because we should have scored more goals or some other bullshit. Give me a break! We did barely enough to beat Cagliari today. We shouldn't be expected to beat the referee as well.

All I know is I woke up early this morning and travelled to Milan only to witness a two hours long travesty orchestrated by a yellow-wearing pos. And I had to pay for that! So please forgive me this little rant.
 

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Complaining about refs is not a good look, and a sure-fire sign of losers.
 

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Mourinho would never ask for trash players because he is not afraid of a quality player who can be a primadonna. In fact, he thrives with such players. Conte drives them away.

And Mourinho had virtually no say in Man Utd's transfer activity. They'd tell him that they are going to sign this guy and that guy and give him their reasoning. It wasn't up to Mourinho to veto anything.

:palm:, did you just overlook the list I said from the transfers at Manchester. He wanted Bailly and Lindelof. Also not to state that players like Matic and Lukaku fit Mourinho's tactics like a glove. That you even would dare to say that Mourinho had no say in transfers and only had to work with trash left overs by Van Gaal and Moyes, or players that fit Woodwards agenda is ridiculous.

Your hatred towards Conte, from a past point of view I can understand, but now he's our coach, and I still think he is doing a great job.

Mancini, Spalletti, Allegri and sorry, even Mou couldn't achieve this level with Inter at the moment if they were our coaches. I say at the moment, since aside from Mou, I believe the others are shit.
 

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The ref sucked again,
But an inter player should learn this..

Tactically, conte was beaten again..
It was pretty similar to atalanta and Lecce games.

These teams could tame us,

I actually have no clue how we can be better
 

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:palm:, did you just overlook the list I said from the transfers at Manchester. He wanted Bailly and Lindelof. Also not to state that players like Matic and Lukaku fit Mourinho's tactics like a glove. That you even would dare to say that Mourinho had no say in transfers and only had to work with trash left overs by Van Gaal and Moyes, or players that fit Woodwards agenda is ridiculous.

Bailly to Man Utd was at play long before Mourinho signed his deal. They concluded it a bit after he arrived and surely he must have wanted someone there and Bailly was good idea obviously given who they had available. He didn't say to anyone "get me Bailly" as soon as he signed the Man United contract though.

Regarding Lindelof you are correct as far as I remember, it was his request or at least amongst the players he wanted.

Woodward considered Mou's requests only if they matched the Manchester United transfer profile.

That was:
- Young
- International
- Popular

Popularity was split into these categories: 1) Premier League exposure, 2) Champions League experience and/or 3) International success.

They ridiculed his request to go for Perisic in 2017. They made a 20m bid to us. We wanted 45 or 50 or something.
Next summer, suddenly in the 2018 window they came with a 45m bid and we wanted 60-70m. Why? Suddenly Perisic ticked one of the parameters that Woodward values. Popularity. From being a "nobody", he became the guy who got England out of the World Cup final and also scored in the main event. He agreed that he had to get him. But his age was a problem which is why he didn't go for over 50m.

Mourinho requested Alderweireld, Tottenham wanted 90m, they made a 50m bid. Levy was like no way Jose... They then wanted to go for Maguire, Leicester wanted 70m, Man Utd made yet another 50m bid. Leicester refused that one and when Mourinho was gone, they were like Hi Leicester, here's 70m, give us Maguire.

Mourinho had also requested Skriniar by the way. We told Man Utd to fuck off. (We actually named our price which was in the high 8 digits, but they backed off of course and the player was insistent that he wanted to stay at Inter).

It's not as if he didn't tell the management that he wanted player X or Y and if not, someone who can do A, B and C. But they didn't give a shit. Man United is a corporation that doesn't like to spend money on the will of their employee. The management decides who they are going for. It's pretty clear how they operate and Mourinho was never going to be accepted there. The only reason they went for Zlatan was the popularity and the fact that Mourinho pretty much had that as an unwritten clause to join them in the first place.

I'm not saying that they filled up the roster with players he didn't rate or like. I'm saying his say was fairly limited in the transfer activity. Even at Real Madrid he had more of a say because Florentino Perez despite his arrogance and selfrighteousness, understands how football works. Woodward and Glazer do not. It's just business to them.

Levy on the other hand understands football but doesn't have the wallet nor the interest to spend much money. But at least he'll give Mourinho the chance to dictate transfer policy according to his needs and ideas.

P.S: He did not request Alexis Sanchez, it was a panic move from their management since Man City getting him would have meant no chance for them to ever lose the league in the next 4-5 years. Mourinho obviously loved the fact that he'd get Sanchez, but he wasn't really interested in living and playing football in fucking Manchester of all places. He did it exclusively for the money. You can see him at Inter how much better he feels on the pitch.
 

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There was zero doubt in my mind that Cagliari would equalize.
We need to steady this ship and fast. All is not lost, but it's getting that way if we don't get back on track immediately.
 

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And Juve lost.

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If Spalleti was given these players Conte has he would perform better. We can again find ourselves battling for fourth spot in May as Atalanta, Roma and Lazio are on our tail. Milan are also winning now. I hate this formation by Conte. I dont see serious teams using this crazy formation. I feel like it makes our players tired thats why we always concede late and perform worse in second half. Wing backs are very exhausted since are required to cover very wide area.

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If Spalleti was given these players Conte has he would perform better. We can again find ourselves battling for fourth spot in May as Atalanta, Roma and Lazio are on our tail. Milan are also winning now. I hate this formation by Conte. I dont see serious teams using this crazy formation. I feel like it makes our players tired thats why we always concede late and perform worse in second half. Wing backs are very exhausted since are required to cover very wide area.

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Bro, what are you smoking? We played like shit for Spalletti's entire tenure. I don't think he did a terrible job given the circumstances, but let's not kid ourselves
 

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Bro, what are you smoking? We played like shit for Spalletti's entire tenure. I don't think he did a terrible job given the circumstances, but let's not kid ourselves

Overreacting and exaggerating.

We were good under Spalletti in his first season with the exception of the December collapse and here and there in the second part of the season.

If you look at his thread and the match threads you will see praise for him getting Inter to play good football, starting from the back and all that. We stagnated after a long while, but it wasn't always like that.
 

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I miss that 4-3-3 formation Spalleti brought. On our good days we were attacking on flanks with power from wingers and fullbacks as they were combining very well. This season what i see is a wing back struggling to beat a defender to cross a ball or a ball kicked forward to look for Lautaro/Lukaku.

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In Serie A it's better to be a force in the middle than the wings. The problem is that with a 3-5-2 a team playing with wings can torch you. We're lucky that most teams are not playing with 4-3-3/4-5-1 variations this season and try to attack us from the middle.
 
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