Hellas Verona - Inter (15 Mar 14)

[Jerry]

I would like an example of these so called bi-polar individuals. Because it seems to me that there has been two schools of thought for a while now, and the people in those two schools have remained rather consistent.

Anti Mazzarri and his style of football - Aussies, pencilpal, Pajo, Nyall, Fap, Wings, me, Nurko, Handoyo, wera

Pro - Hadrian, Lionheart, Armes, Miles, thatdude, Sokrates, Devious

Somewhere in between - JJM

Somewhere - Wallace, Black Jesus

So I really don't know where you're coming from, Seyedo. The lines were drawn a while ago and they've stayed very far apart.

While I love the hilariously dramatized direction this thread has taken, I object to being the headlining captain of the pro-Mazzarri group. Just goes to show that no one actually reads long posts and that all the attempts to turn opponents into straw men here actually work.

If pro-Mazzarri means not twisting his words around to try and make him look foolish, or not blaming every bad thing that happens to the team on him, or not asking for his head every time Kuz touches the ball, then I guess I'm pro-Mazzarri.

I just want fair treatment of the facts and have enough patience to give WM until the end of his contract to get CL. Yet somehow that makes me some kind of brainwashed cult member, according to the trolls at FIF.

 

[Shaun]

Sorry, defender of Mazzarri? Does it matter? The point was that there is and has been very set opinions when it comes to our football, and Mazzarri for a while. No, you're not the "captain", nor is anyone else. I do feel you're the one who is trying to dramatize this situation now though.

 

[Wings]

I don't want us to change coaches every fu season just for the sake of it

You're fighting a strawman here. No one's advocating change for the sake of change. And I think this is indicative of something here.

Seyedo, the reason I responded to your post was because it annoyed me. It annoys me that suddenly a wave of members are shouting down others for even having the thought to voice any criticism of a team. Why the hell are we here then, if we're not allowed to say anything but praise for every half-decent thing that comes our way?

I see posts all the time that I disagree with. When we weren't getting results, I couldn't believe the people who claimed Mazzarri just needed time, or that Thohir was responsible for it. But I didn't bitch about people because they had differing ideas. (or I tried not to) I don't agree with thatdude (for ex.) on a number of things, but I can appreciate that people like him are willing to lay out opposing ideas. You might not have the time or desire to read our long debates, I can sympathize with that. But if you don't read those posts, then don't generalize what we say into 'whining.' (and that's directed to people in general, not Seyedo) Quite honestly, it's annoying, pathetic, and petty. If you want to disagree, then engage someone on their words. Don't berate them for not being satisfied. Ad hominem attacks like that or ludicrous claims that you're a crusader for justice and fairness don't add anything.

You have your opinions, I understand that. And negativity can get on your nerves, sure. But that doesn't mean everyone else isn't entitled to their own opinions. And if you have trouble accepting that, why are you on a discussion forum?

 

[Nyall]

While I love the hilariously dramatized direction this thread has taken, I object to being the headlining captain of the pro-Mazzarri group. Just goes to show that no one actually reads long posts and that all the attempts to turn opponents into straw men here actually work.

If pro-Mazzarri means not twisting his words around to try and make him look foolish, or not blaming every bad thing that happens to the team on him, or not asking for his head every time Kuz touches the ball, then I guess I'm pro-Mazzarri.

I just want fair treatment of the facts and have enough patience to give WM until the end of his contract to get CL. Yet somehow that makes me some kind of brainwashed cult member, according to the trolls at FIF.

Why do you deny your love for Mazzari so much? I was Mourinho's biggest fan boy when he joined here. I rode his dick so hard and got like bans because I would attack users for even daring to speak ill of the special one. In fact, I was actually perma-banned from here because of it, and only let back because of a change in the rules/ And I'm not ashamed of it, at all. I won the most optimistic user because I would constantly repeat the rhetoric of us achieving greatness, long before us even looking like we could even score in the KO rounds of the Champions League, and that was in 2008, and based on absolutely nothing, but probably a supreme dislike of Mancini and a belief that Jose was better than him in every single aspect of life 50 fifty fold.


You're so ready to vehemently deny that you're pro-Mazzari, yet your posts scream that you are. And there's really nothing wrong with that at all.. Stop with that Fox News Fair and Balanced - but blatantly obvious that you're right wing bullshit. Taking a side because everyone around you is biased, is still taking a side.

 

[Wings]

Also, Hadrian –

While I love the hilariously dramatized direction this thread has taken, I object to being the headlining captain of the pro-Mazzarri group. Just goes to show that no one actually reads long posts and that all the attempts to turn opponents into straw men here actually work.

If pro-Mazzarri means not twisting his words around to try and make him look foolish, or not blaming every bad thing that happens to the team on him, or not asking for his head every time Kuz touches the ball, then I guess I'm pro-Mazzarri.

I just want fair treatment of the facts and have enough patience to give WM until the end of his contract to get CL. Yet somehow that makes me some kind of brainwashed cult member, according to the trolls at FIF.

I think the bolded phrases explain why you've dramatized this much more than anyone. And ironically, you've created your very own strawman. There are plenty of things wrong at Inter that we like to bitch about that we don't blame Mazzarri at all for.

 

[Universe]

like fitzy

 

[interista4]

This is where I stand on the Mazzarri deal.I didn't want Mazzarri in the first place because I don't like a 3-5-2 formation or his wing play system but I won't bitch when we are winning and blame Mazzarri for everything that is wrong around Inter because it's outright stupid to blame one person for everything!I would replace him with Spalletti but only if he fails to get to Europe (4 or 5 place).It would be kind of unfair to replace him if he meets the objectives he was given to obtain.I don't want us to change coaches every fu season just for the sake of it...there needs to be reason in the decisions!If he fails to get EL he is gone as that objectiv is the most important for ET I think but if he manages to get EL he will be confirmed for next season!And 3th place was never a real objective as Rube,Roma and Napoli are more mature teams...they know how to win even if they play shit.When Inter plays shit we draw against Catania or Chievo or get hammered(Roma home,Napoli away,Rube away) but we look much better in recent times,we look much more calm with Hernanes on the field.
So if Mazzarri fails and leaves I won't cry about it...but if we will need to replace him we must do it absolutely right this time.No half ass solutions...Spalletti would be the best option I think.

How is Roma more mature than us? They haven't made it to UCL since we won the treble.. and got a new coach just like us this season. Finished out of Europe places last season. If by mature you meant have better squad then I agree, but that's also down to Mazzarri, letting go for our most creative player (Cassano) for a player he wouldn't even use. Not that he would make us better than Roma, but clearly better than now.

Btw 6th place takes us to EL aswell, so we're pretty much there, unless we surprisingly fuck up again and go on another 10 streak without managing to win, which is unlikely given the quality of the league.

As for our style of play, yeah it's painful to watch but I don't recall people hating our boring football when we were winning with freaking Deki as AM. I'd just like to say that if Mazzarri had brought us to UCL with this style, most of you wouldn't want him to get sacked just because we're painful for the eyes.

Sure we had some players to win us games single-handly with individual brilliance, but that was the only joy you could get from watching us playing back then (That and winning titles). The overusing of our wingers really gets annoying, but that wouldn't be the case if we had a proper midfield and better forwards.

If we had more players like Kova who can actually dribble past a player in the midfield, we would score some goals through our midfield too. But when you have a midfield combined of Kuz, Cambiasso and Guarin you can't really expect any miracle in our play.

I honestly don't think Mazzarri tells our players to shot long balls and crosses at our strikers the entire time, however we end up doing that too often because we're clueless in the attack.

All in all, I don't think this Inter is so much worse to watch compared to last 10 years only due to our playing style, we're boring to watch because our players are too fucking average and no longer have any top class players like the ones we used to have.

I want Mazzarri out for other reasons though.

 

[Ronaldo]

You're fighting a strawman here. No one's advocating change for the sake of change. And I think this is indicative of something here.

Seyedo, the reason I responded to your post was because it annoyed me. It annoys me that suddenly a wave of members are shouting down others for even having the thought to voice any criticism of a team. Why the hell are we here then, if we're not allowed to say anything but praise for every half-decent thing that comes our way?

I see posts all the time that I disagree with. When we weren't getting results, I couldn't believe the people who claimed Mazzarri just needed time, or that Thohir was responsible for it. But I didn't bitch about people because they had differing ideas. (or I tried not to) I don't agree with thatdude (for ex.) on a number of things, but I can appreciate that people like him are willing to lay out opposing ideas. You might not have the time or desire to read our long debates, I can sympathize with that. But if you don't read those posts, then don't generalize what we say into 'whining.' (and that's directed to people in general, not Seyedo) Quite honestly, it's annoying, pathetic, and petty. If you want to disagree, then engage someone on their words. Don't berate them for not being satisfied. Ad hominem attacks like that or ludicrous claims that you're a crusader for justice and fairness don't add anything.

You have your opinions, I understand that. And negativity can get on your nerves, sure. But that doesn't mean everyone else isn't entitled to their own opinions. And if you have trouble accepting that, why are you on a discussion forum?

The funny thing is I am against Mazzari myself. I definitely want him gone this summer. I think I have mentioned that quite a few times.

I criticize Mazzari a lot myself but recently he has been doing a good job and he deserves to be praised for that. I just feel that we have to be fair and give credit where it's due.

I am not against criticism or discussion at all. But sometimes some posts here have no base to them. You feel they just want to whine for no reason.

Having said that, I think you are a fine poster and I apologize if my post annoyed you.

 

[Jerry]

I do feel you're the one who is trying to dramatize this situation now though.

Prob fair. I don't shy away from drama. Especially when I smell bullshit in the air.

I think the bolded phrases explain why you've dramatized this much more than anyone. And ironically, you've created your very own strawman. There are plenty of things wrong at Inter that we like to bitch about that we don't blame Mazzarri at all for.

I don't know who 'we' refers to. You're right that I was exaggerating for emphasis/comedy, but making a straw man out of the trolls at FIF in general is very different from making one out of our coach, or out of a specific forum poster in an adversarial one-on-one environment. The latter two are significantly more disrespectful and intellectually dishonest IMO.

Why do you deny your love for Mazzari so much? I was Mourinho's biggest fan boy when he joined here. I rode his dick so hard and got like bans because I would attack users for even daring to speak ill of the special one. In fact, I was actually perma-banned from here because of it, and only let back because of a change in the rules/ And I'm not ashamed of it, at all.

Dunno what to say, bro. I don't 'love' Mazzarri and I'm not interested in 'riding his dick so hard' that I get 'perma-banned'. Just trying to keep criticism of him and our club in some kind of reasonable perspective, I guess.

 

[Armes]

 

[spqr351]

Funny how benching an unproven 19 year old kid is enough for some to hate on the first real coach we had since benitez

 

[InterData]

- Atalanta are unbeaten in their last five Serie A matches against Inter (W2 D3)

- Atalanta have won their last three league games in a row: the last time they won four consecutive Serie A games was back in December 1995.

 

[Hugo Boss]

- Atalanta are unbeaten in their last five Serie A matches against Inter (W2 D3)

- Atalanta have won their last three league games in a row: the last time they won four consecutive Serie A games was back in December 1995.

Wrong thread...

 

[InterData]

Wrong thread...

Woops. Sorry.