Giampaolo "Il Pazzo" Pazzini

[.h.]

.....and make sure to not waste much thought on the player´s opinion whether he would be willing to join Inter in the first place.....

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I´m sorry - but I don´t get the Forlán example here.
As far as I know Forlán got rather 3,5m than 4m for one season - and he would have never been with Inter for 4 years.

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I´m sorry - but I don´t get the Forlán example here.
As far as I know Forlán got rather 3,5m than 4m for one season - and he would have never been with Inter for 4 years.

Its just an example. Higher salary for a cheaper player QUICKLY dominates costs, rather than transfer fees.

 

[MVD]

Its just an example. Higher salary for a cheaper player QUICKLY dominates costs, rather than transfer fees.

You have a point there.

 

[.h.]

thats why lucas isnt SO bad financially. he's obviously a splash, anyone that much is, but if we sold sneijder and signed lucas, the difference over 3 years would be like sneijder's transfer fee... (just hypothetical)

 

[MVD]

You are right, but that´s only one point of view - the financial one.
From a personal point of view I must admit that I don´t like it all how some players (e.g. Pazzini, Julione) are treated by the Inter management these days.
Is there really no other choice than only regarding the whole thing under financial aspects?
Is it really worth it all the time to offload proven players and sign 'cheaper ones' - and take all the risk that they might finally not fit in and flop and in the end maybe turn out to be more expensive than the 'old guard'?

 

[.h.]

You are right, but that´s only one point of view - the financial one.
From a personal point of view I must admit that I don´t like it all how some players (e.g. Pazzini, Julione) are treated by the Inter management these days.
Is there really no other choice than only regarding the whole thing under financial aspects?
Is it really worth it all the time to offload proven players and sign 'cheaper ones' - and take all the risk that they might finally not fit in and flop and in the end maybe turn out to be more expensive than the 'old guard'?

I dont disagree, but the financial one is all the current management care about right now.

 

[MVD]

They are right to do so - but nevertheless I feel that the management should handle those 'personal issues' with a little bit of more 'tactfulness'.

 

[MANTA]

6 month from now how these players were handled will be a distant memory. How many still harp about how Sneijder was treated by Real Madrid. Life goes on for all these players (except maybe Deki).

Pazzini said it himself that he will not be here next season, why should he care who gets his jersey number. Its not like he is intending to stay.

 

[Johnny Ludlow]

You have to consider the wages. More than ANYTHING.

30m lucas at 2 m a season for 4 years is 46million euros total.

5m forlan on 4m a season for 4 years is a total cost of 37 million euros...

5m kaka for 4 years at 6m a season is 53m euros

Mathematically speaking you are correct. Unfortunately real life situation is, that a player of the highest quality will be paid accordingly, one way or another. Say we signed Lucas for 5 years for 2m per year and he'll turn into world class player in one year. There is no way that we could keep him with that kind of wage for the rest of the contract. His agent would start to sweettalk to him and pressure us to either sell or offer new contract, player would be "unhappy" and talk about injustice etcetera. It's just a crappy spot for a club. Damn pla... agent power.

Now it would seem that situation is financially excellent now that we have a very good player. We can't afford the wage he is demanding, let's just sell him. We have to remember that if we signed Lucas for the crazy reported fee of around 35m, we pay mostly for the talent, not for the ability. So even if the becomes a lot better, it doesn't mean his value would go massively up.

Not to mention this whole scenario makes us sound like a feeder club.

 

[MANTA]

Mathematically speaking you are correct. Unfortunately real life situation is, that a player of the highest quality will be paid accordingly, one way or another. Say we signed Lucas for 5 years for 2m per year and he'll turn into world class player in one year. There is no way that we could keep him with that kind of wage for the rest of the contract. His agent would start to sweettalk to him and pressure us to either sell or offer new contract, player would be "unhappy" and talk about injustice etcetera. It's just a crappy spot for a team. Damn pla... agent power.

Now it would seem that situation is financially excellent now that we have a very good player. We can't afford the wage he is demanding, let's just sell him. We have to remember that if we signed Lucas for the crazy reported fee of around 35m, we pay mostly for the talent, not for the ability. So even if the becomes a lot better, it doesn't mean his value would go massively up.

Not to mention this whole scenario makes us sound like a feeder club.

If a player makes it big and starts demanding higher salary then that means there are other clubs out there who can offer him such salary. It is not like he can demand doubling his salary when no other club is willing to pay him anywhere near that number. What will he do if the club refuses? Ask for a transfer and still not get the salary he wants.

So if we assume that a player makes it big enough to have other clubs asking for his services and willing to pay him a lot of money then they should also compensate the club accordingly. If clubs are willing to pay 40m for Hazard, then they would pay at least that for a player who made it big in Serie A.

 

[.h.]

If a player makes it big and starts demanding higher salary then that means there are other clubs out there who can offer him such salary. It is not like he can demand doubling his salary when no other club is willing to pay him anywhere near that number. What will he do if the club refuses? Ask for a transfer and still not get the salary he wants.

So if we assume that a player makes it big enough to have other clubs asking for his services and willing to pay him a lot of money then they should also compensate the club accordingly. If clubs are willing to pay 40m for Hazard, then they would pay at least that for a player who made it big in Serie A.

Exactly.

It takes a very VERY long time for a player to get to the top salary bracket. Its not like one good season means you give them a huge wage instantly. It would take 3 or 4 seasons of consistent top class performances before we pay him 5m a season.

 

[Johnny Ludlow]

I disagree. One or two really big seasons seems to be enough nowadays.

Even if you were right, as I mentioned, this way of dealing with players would make us a feeder club. We sign talents, when they approach their peak, we sell them. This is not a way to build a winning team. There is no way around it: if you want to have a top squad, you have to pay competitive wages.

 

[.h.]

I disagree. One or two really big seasons seems to be enough nowadays.

Even if you were right, as I mentioned, this way of dealing with players would make us a feeder club. We sign talents, when they approach their peak, we sell them. This is not a way to build a winning team. There is no way around it: if you want to have a top squad, you have to pay competitive wages.

Well, if he hit 40 goals in one serie A season, then sure. But he'll develop, he's not a top class player now, it'll take a few years for him to get to it.

Also, who cares?

I would rather have good young talent that we develop into top players and get TOP DOLLAR for, than having shit old players who we pay 'competitive' wages to.


If we sign Moura now, over the next 5 years, his average salary (i bet you) will be less than that of Forlan's last year. No matter how good he gets.

 

[Universe]

6 month from now how these players were handled will be a distant memory. How many still harp about how Sneijder was treated by Real Madrid. Life goes on for all these players (except maybe Deki).

Pazzini said it himself that he will not be here next season, why should he care who gets his jersey number. Its not like he is intending to stay.

To my recollection he said something more along the lines of:

- He doesn't consider himself a part of the planned project of the coach/team
- But he wants to make them change their mind by trying to do his best.

I can respect this, and the whole handling of the situation is a bit shit tbfuckingh. Michaels GdS report said JC is hardly ever with the team and trains separately. Now come on. What the fuck is that. Where's Pazzini in all this? Is he still training with his teammates or not?

 

[n4l]

I would rather have good young talent that we develop into top players and get TOP DOLLAR for, than having shit old players who we pay 'competitive' wages to.

The question is though, WHY are these the only options? The fact of the matter is, those 2 are not the only options. Management stupidity has made it appear that way.

 

[Olyzzerz]

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[crzdcolombian]

Well, if he hit 40 goals in one serie A season, then sure. But he'll develop, he's not a top class player now, it'll take a few years for him to get to it.

Also, who cares?

I would rather have good young talent that we develop into top players and get TOP DOLLAR for, than having shit old players who we pay 'competitive' wages to.


If we sign Moura now, over the next 5 years, his average salary (i bet you) will be less than that of Forlan's last year. No matter how good he gets.

So you want us to be a Udinese or Genoa? Isn't that why people hate Branca? I rather pay $40 million for Cavani or Falcao and have them score 30+ goals next season and probably next 4-5 season then for us then Spending $50 million on 2-5 that can potentially become soemthing but most likely won't. WE are a big team we aren't here to sell players we are here to WIN TITLES !!! If we have a big player and some team offers us insane money or another Eto trade fine do it but other than that why would a big team sell their starter unless they bought a better player(Handa) or guy is just too old(Maicon)

 

[Vibe]

Milito looking not so well in preseason,we should consider keeping Pazzo just in case...Give him number 9 :fuckyea:

 

[Sokrates]

Milito looking not so well in preseason,we should consider keeping Pazzo just in case...Give him number 9 :fuckyea:

We sell casta and pazzo so for sure we get a new striker

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[rsz85]

Milito looking not so well in preseason,we should consider keeping Pazzo just in case...Give him number 9 :fuckyea:

Milito have never performed that way as the fans waited - in both ways....

2009 summer, when he came, noone waited him to be a superstar and we all know what happened.

2010 summer, he was a phenomenon, but did awful season, totally disappointing performance.

2011 summer, most fans would have sold him, and did a fantastic season again.

2012 summer, everyone consire him as our Nr. 1 and unquestionably goal-machine.... Our season can be destroyed totally if he doesnt perform....

 

[Starmo4]

Milito have never performed that way as the fans waited - in both ways....

2009 summer, when he came, noone waited him to be a superstar and we all know what happened.

2010 summer, he was a phenomenon, but did awful season, totally disappointing performance.

2011 summer, most fans would have sold him, and did a fantastic season again.

2012 summer, everyone consire him as our Nr. 1 and unquestionably goal-machine.... Our season can be destroyed totally if he doesnt perform....

U got that right ...

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