General Primavera Discussion

[.h.]

this isnt really a primavera signing but i dont know where to put it

we've signed Youssou Lou from Vicenza. He's 22....

this must be a prato thing i bet

 

[thatdude]

I think we want to get Prato promoted so we are buying a few players who are experienced enough to be differnece makers at that level.

 

[.h.]

Yeah. Serie B would be a good level, but I wonder how many of the youth players we will farm out to Prato are capable of delivering in Serie B?

The important thing is to have Prato at a level where our loan players can compete

 

[thatdude]

I agree we don't want to have them relegated immediately from Serie B, however there is also the possibility that we treat it like Barca B and keep players there for years at a time instead of one season and out. If we keep players in the team till they're 21 like Barca tends to do than we might be able to get Prato to a comfortable mid table spot, with the help of a few Serie B level signings.

 

[.h.]

I would love something like that.

It's not clear to me what Prato are. I ASSUMED they were a primavera/professional stepping stone - you see a lot of our youth players play no time in their first loan season in SErie B (for example), and I assumed Prato was to bridge that gap and give them game time.

If on the other hand they are a multiyear developmental loan, that's also a very nice (but different) thing.

I think the stepping stone gap is more important at the moment - but I would love to have the multiyear long term developmental too

 

[JJM]

this isnt really a primavera signing but i dont know where to put it

we've signed Youssou Lou from Vicenza. He's 22....

this must be a prato thing i bet

We've signed this Lou and we immediately sold him to Olhanense.

At interfans they say we did so because of the non EU spot...for Medel I imagine

 

[.h.]

yes, that would make sense, since fofana didnt help

 

[Bluenine]

I want the entire team to be homegrown. :challenge:

In Serie B? :chan:

I much rather Inter remain as the only club never to have been relegated from Serie A.

 

[nurko]

How many divisions below Serie B is Prato ?

 

[Kakaroto]

In Serie B? :chan:

I much rather Inter remain as the only club never to have been relegated from Serie A.

I was totally serious.

 

[Wobblz]

How many divisions below Serie B is Prato ?

Serie C, practically speaking.

I see no problem for them to climb up to Serie B [last year they were 10th] with a bump from us but hasn't this new FIGC guy Tavecchio lobbied for B clubs already and isn't this Prato thing useless in the long run if that is true? Although two clubs where we can farm our players would be even better, if we have a Bonazzoli/Puscas situation we can loan the one to Prato and the other to Inter B and they're going to be starters at the same time. What do you think?

The Lega Italiana Calcio Professionistico (Italian for Italian Professional Football League), commonly known as Lega Pro (Pro League), is the governing body that runs the eponymous third highest football division in Italy. It also includes the sole professional club of San Marino. Its headquarters are in Florence.

 

[vitomins]

How many divisions below Serie B is Prato ?

1. Serie A
2. Serie B
3. Lega Pro Prima Divisione (formerly Serie C1)
4. Lega Pro Seconda Divisione (formerly Serie C2)
5. Serie D
6. Eccellenza
7. Promozione
8. Prima Categoria
9. Seconda Categoria
10. Terza Categoria

 

[.h.]

Even if the b clubs do come in, which I find unlikely right now, its still years away. Prato is a real fix to a problem now.plus we have loads of kids

 

[Inter7]

Even if the b clubs do come in, which I find unlikely right now, its still years away. Prato is a real fix to a problem now.plus we have loads of kids

question is how could playing in serie C1 possibly improve our youth is the gap of their quality that much?

 

[Vincenzi]

Yeah, I see absolutely nothing wrong with using Prato as a sort of stepping stone for our youth. As Browha points out, Inter seems to have serious problems with figuring out which of its primavera players are actually potential first team quality (see Longo for example). By giving our youth a situation where they can get consistent first team experience, we are not only giving them some valuable developmental experience, but also giving ourselves a wider range of performances to gauge their skill levels from, something that we might not get from loaning our players to a Serie B bench or from them playing against other primavera teams

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question is how could playing in serie C1 possibly improve our youth is the gap of their quality that much?

Short answer: yes

The long answer is that by playing against teams that aren't primavera you'll find that the playing style -even if not up to Serie A standard- is still similar to what these players will be seeing when they ultimately transcend out of the primavera level. Serie B and Serie C1, while not exactly similar to the Serie A in terms of technical skill, are still very similar to the Serie A in teh physicality of the game, something that I personaly think is a good thing to acclimatise our youth to.

Also I'd like to point out that Prato is a decently good C1 team, and with our help they actually have a good chance of reaching Serie B, in which case the skill gap will be even smaller.

 

[nurko]

Even if the b clubs do come in, which I find unlikely right now, its still years away. Prato is a real fix to a problem now.plus we have loads of kids

Speak for yourself dude, I use protection!

 

[.h.]

question is how could playing in serie C1 possibly improve our youth is the gap of their quality that much?

Yes I'd say so. The average primavera is on loan in his first season and barely ever plays. Look at bessa, pecorini last year, Belloni, etc. A series c club to give them a chance to prove themselves first would in my opinion go a long long way.

 

[.h.]

Yeah, I see absolutely nothing wrong with using Prato as a sort of stepping stone for our youth. As Browha points out, Inter seems to have serious problems with figuring out which of its primavera players are actually potential first team quality (see Longo for example). By giving our youth a situation where they can get consistent first team experience, we are not only giving them some valuable developmental experience, but also giving ourselves a wider range of performances to gauge their skill levels from, something that we might not get from loaning our players to a Serie B bench or from them playing against other primavera teams

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Short answer: yes

The long answer is that by playing against teams that aren't primavera you'll find that the playing style -even if not up to Serie A standard- is still similar to what these players will be seeing when they ultimately transcend out of the primavera level. Serie B and Serie C1, while not exactly similar to the Serie A in terms of technical skill, are still very similar to the Serie A in teh physicality of the game, something that I personaly think is a good thing to acclimatise our youth to.

Also I'd like to point out that Prato is a decently good C1 team, and with our help they actually have a good chance of reaching Serie B, in which case the skill gap will be even smaller.

Yeah.

There are basically two fundamental questions:
1 - Is a motherfucker professional and physical enough to play the game?
2 - Are they technically capable to play on the level you need them to play at?

Alot of our primavera players get caught out on (1) - where being more talented is good enough at youth level, but not at the professional level. The physical side is also important, you can be 5'0 and impressive aged 16, but if you're 5'0 its very hard to be impressive enough to compensate for that aged 24.

Whether they are on the level or not is why we now use these loan-to-buy/counter-buy contracts, which is fine.

 

[ShqiperInter]

i think we have a great youth system but the big bosses have not trust to this..
pleyars like balotelli,santon,destro,donati,caldirola etc etc was players of our academies..and now they costs too much and we can't take they back..i think caldirola is 1000 times better than ranocchia..destro is better than Osvaldo..donati better than jonathan and if we even had santon,he could become the captain..he can play right back and left back too easy..he could be a key for us..

 

[.h.]

i think we have a great youth system but the big bosses have not trust to this..
pleyars like balotelli,santon,destro,donati,caldirola etc etc was players of our academies..and now they costs too much and we can't take they back..i think caldirola is 1000 times better than ranocchia..destro is better than Osvaldo..donati better than jonathan and if we even had santon,he could become the captain..he can play right back and left back too easy..he could be a key for us..

now you're just being melodramatic.

Balotelli? He was shipped out - rightly - for non-footballing reasons. No complaints there.
Santon? There's a reason we swapped Santon for Nagatomo. If you think he could be captain, that's hugely . He wouldnt even be playing for us - he's a bigger defensive liability than Jonathan, and that's saying something.
Destro? Yes, good player, we could have kept him, but we have Icardi and it's not the end of the world.
Caldirola? Better than Ranocchia I disagree. Defensively solid but unspectacular, sure. Wouldn't be first choice at Inter, though, definitely not.
Donati? I think this is more of a comment about Jonathan than it is Donati. He's not bad, but he's hardly a great quality we missed out on.