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Hamed said:Milos75 said:Hamed, what you are asking from Vieri, not even Maradona in his prime could do.
Get real Milos, 'great' strikers do what I ask of Vieri, let me give you an example. TresGay and Sheva score important goals when the team is playing bad. For example, Juve were owned by Milan, and yet TresGay found a way to score an impossible goal that more or less gave Juve the scudetto.
And Sheva, how many goals does he score against us when we are playing well? And against other teams in important games.
This what I mean. Who can say that Vieri does the same? Again, no disrespect for him, but it's unfair to glorify him the way it's being done.
Tommi said:He doesn´t score game-winning goals? Hah. You want me to find all the game-winning goals he has scored? [Edit: Nah, i wont bother anymore ´cause it´s pointless to argue about a player who is a legend on his own when you said such things as "overall I am disappointed on Vieri in his Inter adventure"
I didn't mean game-winning goals per se. I meant goals in difficult moments, and goals that give you championships. I go back to the example of TresGay goal against Milan. As much as I hate him, TresGay is a great striker, he score goals in very important times.
Are you saying lying is your point?
Not really ´cause i checked the statistics and if Inter.it is correct then both of those accusations are untrue. Do you actually check the facts before you claim such things? :wallbang:
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I just pulled those stats from my head. Let me remember: Adriano scored three times last year against Juve in the Coppa Italia, and once this year. So that's four in total. None from PK's, and all from open play.
And now that I actually went and checked, Vieri has four goals against Juve. As I said, one was actually Toldo's goal, and two were PK's. So that's one goals from open play, the one he scored last season.
But that's not my point anyway, Vieri has 4 goals against Juve in 5 seasons, while Adriano has 4 in 2. I couldn't check how many games Vieri actually played against Juve because I know he missed some with injuries.
And also after checking, I found out about a goal I totally forgot in 2000 against Milan. So he has 2 goals against Milan, and so does Martins. I don't know the number of games each played against Milan, but I'm sure Vieri has more.
I feel like adding a disclaimer or something at the end. I don't hate Vieri, I love him. But let's be objective and realistic. There is a difference between scoring against Brescia, Como etc. and against Milan and Juve. And great strikers are those who score goal out of nothing when the team needs it most.
Hamed, you are way off the mark yet again. Milan only had ball posession but very few chances and that was only a result of Juve taking the lead. Up to Treseguet's goal it was an even game.
Shevchenko only scores when Milan either completely outplays Inter or is at best equal - FACT! The worst derbies of recent times that Milan played were: the ones in Serie A this season: Shevchenko - no goals. Milan - Inter 0-1 of 2001/2002, Shevchenko 0 goals. Milan - Inter 1-2 of 1999/2000, Shecchenko scores froma penalty in the 94th minute, after not having seen the ball for the entire game.