- May 22, 2004
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10 years of FIF
What an absolute shitshow by ferrari once again....
vettel, alonso and verstappen?was he racing against other all time greats today?
Hamilton is good but I think that also reflects very favorably on George Russell. He’s looked like he’s had more pace than him for most of this season.
Would have added Kimi to that list.I think what Brehme was inferring that you can hardly be the greatest of all time when your rivals are all driving far inferior cars.
Out of the drivers you named, the only driver that is relevant to Hamilton was Verstappen. The other champions you named are not driving for championship contenders.
Ayrton Senna is definitely the greatest driver of all time.
Schumacher is more of an iconic driver than the greatest. He shaped an era and this was during the time of Michaels being called the greatest (Jordan, Jackson and Schumacher) so there was also that
Hamilton is dominant in an era where his car was the most dominant by far, literally zero competition and he even lost the championship to his teammate Nico Rosberg for whatever reason you wanna say there was, we all know how teams prioritize certain drivers and Rosberg wasn't it.
The driving quality factor has become less and less important as years go by. There's no cut off period, but we can say that Schumacher also benefited from that.
There's this American derived tendency to measure quality by looking at quantity and it's plain wrong.
Senna is definitely the greatest driver in the last 35 years and I'm not sure how many before him can be argued as better.
I don't care how many championships Schumacher or Hamilton won. Durability and consistency is valuable but immaterial in the discussion about the greatest ever.
Maradona, Ronaldo and Baggio are three players that belong to the top 5 in the last 45 years in their sport, yet you have Messi at a similar level for multiple years and there's Cristiano who has been relevant at a high level for a long while as well. Doesn't make these two better than the first three, just makes them more durable and luckier to play in an era of insanely inflated top teams in terms of roster building capabilities and wealth, as well as better health and a more professional era.
You can count trophies all you want, but if you ask me to take three players at their peak I'm sticking with the first three and I'm only going to give a 2nd thought for Messi over Baggio.
With F1 it's harder to do this because you don't really see drivers use other cars much, the competition is pretty much constant for the most part at the height of their prime. There's not a multitude of tournaments they participate in, no national team car to drive or different surfaces and so on.
I mean, if you wanna ask who the best driver is, you put them all in the same cars, same circuits and make them race from F1 cars to rally cars and even freaking go karts.
When each car is different and each tyre is different you cannot draw proper conclusions. All you have is the time they put with what they have, not what's measurable for comparison reasons.
The 2010s aren't a good enough criteria for this due to the F1 tech. Hamilton was relevant before as well, and everyone acknowledges he's one of the best drivers if not the best of his era, and that's why he's on the best car. But extrapolating this to "all time greatness" feels very, erm, unsophisticated.