Defenders for the summer market

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from 2006/2007 there shall be 4 from italy 2 of them of own production in our squad: that means that they have played in our club atleast 3 years from the age of 15 to 21. And 6 in 2007/2008 3 of own production and 8 in 2008/2009 and 4 of those have to bee of own production. Cambiasso who have and Italian passport can not be included in the list as an Italian player.

In other words it means that we at this moment have 6 but none of those are of own production.

Fontana
Toldo
Favalli
Matrix
C.Zanetti
Vieri
 

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Adriano said:
from 2006 there shall be 4 from italy in our squad 6 in 2007 and 8 2008 and 3 of those( i think) have to bee own production: that means that they have played in our club atleast 3 years from the age of 15 to 21. and Cambiasso who have and Italian passport can not be included in the list ad an Italian player.

In other words it means that we at this moment have 6 but none of those are of own production.

Fontana
Toldo
Favalli
Matrix
C.Zanetti
Vieri

We could bring back beati,rebechhi,potenza,pasquale,franchini,marino. Then we have 6 and all of them are our own products.
 

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The backline is obviously our biggest problem, and I simply see no way that we can ask for consistency with what we already have. That's why I'd like to see us take this approach.

RBs
Keep Javier Zanetti and Ze Maria (of course...)

CBs
Release Gamarra and Mihjalovic
Bring back Dellafiore
Sell Materazzi
Bring in Kompany and Luisao (since I see no chance of Samuel leaving Real Madrid)

LBs
Sell Favalli
Loan out Pasquale again
Sign Dede/or bring back Potenza

So our backline would be like this next year...

Javier Zanetti
Ze Maria

Cordoba
Luisao
Burdisso
Kompany
Dellafiore

Dede/Potenza
Coco

Then we could truly talk about consistency and not even thinking about change for a couple of seasons.
 

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Yeah but we only need 4 of them, and 4 other Italians.

Potenza
??
??
??

I'm not sure who the last 3 should be. But we still have 3 years to go.
Another thing is that there must Max be 25 players in the squad. In other words we must have 17 foreigner in our squad.
 

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HOW many times do I have to say this, Miahj and Gammara would not be realeased since bouth of them are OUT OF CONTACTS THIS SUMMER....GET IT.


And with the new rule we can forget all abouth Dede, instead we should get Potenza back. And one more thing forget all abouth foreigner players we have to focus on National players from now on.

Especialy when we have in mind that none of thise we have now will be here in 2008/2009. or max two of them.
 

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I have changed may idea slightly. This is the players I want for defence in the summer:


RB's: JZ, Ze maria
LB: Coco, Favalli and Potenza(Versatile player can play lb,rb and cd)
CD's: Cordoba,Burdisso,Chivu/Metzelder/Samuel ,Matrix and Potenza


I think we need 1 world class centreback. If Sameul is available go for him if not and if chivu and metzelder have recoverred from thier injuries go for 1 of them.

Kompany we could sign but only if he will accept getting loaned out to another serie a team.
 

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I just post this again....since I was a littel late on it.

And with the new rule we can forget all abouth Dede, instead we should get Potenza back. And one more thing forget all abouth foreigner players we have to focus on National players from now on.

Especialy when we have in mind that none of thise we have now will be here in 2008/2009. or max two of them.
 

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Homegrown player plans revealed
Thursday, 3 February 2005

By Mark Chaplin in Nyon

UEFA has unveiled proposed new rules on locally trained players to the public and European football family.

Nyon conference
The UEFA Executive Committee presented the proposed regulations, which would apply to future UEFA club competitions, to the conference of presidents and general secretaries of UEFA's member associations held today at the European governing body's headquarters in Nyon, Switzerland.

Official approval to come
UEFA has also asked its 52 member associations to consider applying the same rule for their domestic competitions. The proposals will now be presented to the national associations for official approval at the UEFA Ordinary Congress in Tallinn, Estonia in April.

Squad places reserved
The 'A' list that teams submit for UEFA club competitions will continue to be limited to 25 players, and from season 2006/07, at least two places on this list will be reserved for players trained by the club's own football academy and a further two places for players trained by other clubs from within the same association of the said club. The 'B' list will also continue to exist - involving an unlimited number of Under-21 players who have been at the club for two seasons.

Target for 2008/09
In the following two seasons, one additional place for a club-trained and one additional place for an association-trained player will be reserved on the 'A' list, so that by the 2008/09 season, each club will have in its 25-man squad four club-trained and four association-trained players.

Definitions
A club-trained player is defined as a player who has been registered for a minimum of three seasons with the club between the age of 15 and 21, whereas an association-trained player is a player who has been registered for at least three seasons by the club or by other clubs affiliated to the same association of the said club between the age of 15 and 21.

Consultation process
The proposals have been revealed after a lengthy consultation process between UEFA and clubs, leagues, national associations, players' bodies, coaches, European political authorities and politicians, and national governments. "We think [the proposal] is a reasonable compromise based on all the consultations we have had, " said UEFA Chief Executive Lars-Christer Olsson. "Although we have had negative responses from some leagues and some bigger clubs in those leagues, all the others involved have been very supportive of this idea. We also think the proposal is legal, because it is a sporting rule, not a restriction, to develop and promote young players."

Negative trends
The proposals have been made after UEFA identified a number of perceived negative trends in European football - lack of incentive in training players, lack of identity in local/regional teams, lack of competitive balance, "hoarding" of players and related problems for national teams.

Restoring balance
UEFA also commissioned an economic study that identified a tendency towards less competitive balance in UEFA club competitions and domestic leagues, an increased link between money and sporting success and for clubs to play fewer local-trained players. The proposals aim to provide more incentive for clubs to train their own players, as well as for the restoration of a competitive balance, firstly at UEFA club competition level, and then at national level if associations accept and implement UEFA's recommendations.

'Something has to be done'
"It seems that as a result of the conference today, most of the associations will now introduce similar schemes in their own domestic competitions," said Mr Olsson. "I think everybody recognises that something has to be done."


UEFA out to get the balance right
Thursday, 3 February 2005

By Mark Chaplin in Nyon

Restoring football's competitive balance is one of the reasons why UEFA is proposing new rules on locally trained players - first in its own club competitions, the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Cup, and then possibly in domestic competitions if UEFA's 52 national associations accept the proposals this spring.

Concrete proposals
On Thursday, the European body revealed concrete proposals whereby from 2006/07, clubs playing in the UEFA club competitions would first have to include, in squads limited to 25 players, two players trained by the club's own academy and two players trained by other clubs from the same association.

Eight out of 25
Over the following two seasons, one additional place for a club-trained and one additional place for an association-trained player would be reserved on the 'A' list that clubs submit to UEFA for European club competitions, so that by the 2008/09 season, each club would have in its 25-man squad four club-trained and four association-trained players.

Definitions
A club-trained player is defined as a player who has been registered for a minimum of three seasons with the club between the age of 15 and 21, whereas an association-trained player is one who has been registered for at least three seasons by the club or by other clubs affiliated to the same association between the age of 15 and 21. The proposals do not involve players' nationalities.

Less competitive
Studies commissioned by UEFA show that for some ten years or so, both the UEFA club competitions and European domestic top flights have become less competitive, with the same clubs constantly competing for the honours in many countries. "There have been fewer teams winning the competitions, whether it is European competitions or national competitions, over this period," UEFA Chief Excutive Lars-Christer Olsson told uefa.com.

Stopping 'hoarding'
"This is why the proposal also limits the size of the squad [to 25], because we have found out in our studies that some clubs are 'hoarding' players to have bigger squads, or, in some cases, to prevent other clubs having the players - and many players who were national-team players when recruited by clubs have not been playing, or not even sitting on the bench in some cases. Perhaps reducing squads will also have a positive effect on some clubs' finances.

Clear trends
"The trends are clear. We have done studies showing that compared to around 1995/96, when the Bosman ruling was introduced, the number of players trained in an association and playing in [that association's] top league has gone down by 30 per cent."

Political support
Mr Olsson admitted that there had been negative responses to the proposals from some major leagues and their larger clubs, but added that the majority of stakeholders consulted had been in favour. "We don't think there should be any legal problems - of course [the system] could be challenged - but we have talked to [political authorities] in Brussels about this matter, and there is a group in the European parliament called 'Friends of Football' who are very supportive of this initiative - they have even said that more should be done.

Positive noises
"We have been talking to people within the European Commission, and they have told us that as long as UEFA does nothing illegal, it is fine with them. There are a lot of positive political noises around."


I am still unsure since neither of these say the have to be the nationality of the country where the club is located. I want to know what homegrown player means. If it means just a player who has played for the inter youth team then Oba qualifies as a home grown player.
 

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No It means a National homegrown player in our case an Italian who have played in our youth devison for 3 years between 15-21 of age.
 

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Is this confirmed or what? Or is it just a proposal?


Hand:confused:yo
 

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A club-trained player is defined as a player who has been registered for a minimum of three seasons with the club between the age of 15 and 21, whereas an association-trained player is one who has been registered for at least three seasons by the club or by other clubs affiliated to the same association between the age of 15 and 21. The proposals do not involve players' nationalities.

Just got it it doesn't have to be italian or something other nationality they just have to have been with the club since the age of 15-21 for 3 years. So Oba qualifies.

Handoyo its a proposal which has to accepted by tyhe 52 FA's but it will defenitly be accpeted.
 

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I don't think it's confirmed that the FAs will accept it. There will be too huge of an unrest among the top clubs and I think the FAs will be under huge pressure. Hell, if this proposal goes through, I won't be surprised if the G-14 take an action on its own and will seriously consider the prospect of having a separate European Super League. I doubt that the FAs and UEFA want that. But for the FAs, this will be great for them since it will strengthen their national teams. The one problem though, will it be worth it? Obviouslt, their national teams will be stronger but so will others!


Hand;)yo
 

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Yeah you are right I just reed the article from UEFA for a moment ago, after I posted my last post..... I though It had to be national to because several danish sites said so Grrrrrr. But they have clearly misunderstod it, And it didn't make any sence that they could make such a rule since it would brake a EU regulation.

Okay in other words it means that by the season 2008/2009

We will have to have 4 player of own production who have been traind by us in 3 years between the age of 15-21, it dosen't matter which country they come from.

And another 4 who have been traind by us or another club in 3 years between the age of 15-21 under the Italian federation. But I think we have to owne them, from what I understood.
 

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Handoyo said:
I don't think it's confirmed that the FAs will accept it. There will be too huge of an unrest among the top clubs and I think the FAs will be under huge pressure. Hell, if this proposal goes through, I won't be surprised if the G-14 take an action on its own and will seriously consider the prospect of having a separate European Super League. I doubt that the FAs and UEFA want that. But for the FAs, this will be great for them since it will strengthen their national teams. The one problem though, will it be worth it? Obviouslt, their national teams will be stronger but so will others!


Hand;)yo

Handoyo it wont stenghten thier national teams since the rule doesn't say it has to be players from country only that the player must have played 3 seasons at club from age 15-21.

But I am sure the G14 will fight about this and super league could happen over this.

I believe this is a bad idea. The only way they can mke it leggla is by not imposing the only certain nationalaties thats way they aren't saying homegrown players are only italian or from whihc ever country the club comes from.
 

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Oh yeah, my bad. :D

Well then, this would benefit the small clubs as the big clubs cannot steal as many players as possible. We shouldn't be too worried about it too since our youth department is doing quite well and I'm sure if give the chance, they would excel just like Martins is doing currently! I have a huge hope on this Dino Marino dude. :D


Hand;)yo
 

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Handoyo said:
Oh yeah, my bad. :D

Well then, this would benefit the small clubs as the big clubs cannot steal as many players as possible. We shouldn't be too worried about it too since our youth department is doing quite well and I'm sure if give the chance, they would excel just like Martins is doing currently! I have a huge hope on this Dino Marino dude. :D


Hand;)yo

I have huge hope for Potenza i am sure he qualifies as a home grown product even thought he has been on loan for the last 2 seasons.
 

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This is the worst idea I´ve heard for a while. Thank God we have a strong youth department.

I hope this is not gonna happen! :mad:
 

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Gismo said:
This is the worst idea I´ve heard for a while. Thank God we have a strong youth department.

I hope this is not gonna happen! :mad:

Me too man. But atleast we are covered in this department. :D
 

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Getting back to the main topic of this thread .... :D

Defence

Central Defenders

As I said earlier, Gamarra and Mihajlovic won't be playing for us next season. I am not that sure on Mihajlovic's case though, as he could be a member of the coaching team or just remain as a player, but only to help Mancini.

OUT-
Gamarra
Mihajlovic

Who should we be targeting then ??
It would be good to have samuel, but I don't think that it would be possible. And it could also be very costly for us. I do think that we will go for defenders like LUISAO, G.Rodriquez, Andrade. I am not so sure of Metzelder or Kompany.

And what do some of you guys think by planning to buy other 2 new young defenders ?? We just need one and not to forget that we also have Burdisso. ;)

Cordoba
Luisao/?
Burdisso
Materazzi
Dellafiore/Potenza/?

That would be enough, I guess. ;)


Wing backs

RB has never been a problem for us, but LB - It's always been a great problem for us.

Is Ze Maria really happy to be a back up player for us ? If not, then we could offload him and replace with a youth player - Potenza (can he play as RB) ?

LB - What's gonna happen with Coco ? I do think that we will keep Favalli as a back up. Either Coco will be our starting LB or we will have a new one - Dede or Maxwell would be great. :D

OUT -
Ze Maria - ?
Coco - ?


And out wingbacks:

J.Zanetti
Ze Maria / Potenza / ?
Coco / Dede / Maxwell / Potenza :eek:
Favalli / Potenza / Pasquale


And finally - Goalkeeper

We already have bought J.Cesar, but when are we planning to to have him in Inter ? Next season - it seems so.

Frey again said yesterday (rumour or was it really what he said - not sure) that he still loves Inter and would want to play for the club. He even said that there was some negotation going on for next season, but dun know what's happening now. :eek:
Frey had a great game against us and also the last match of Parma I watched (against Juventus). But some says he's inconsistent ?? What about J.Cesar ?? What's gonna happen to Toldo and yeah, what about our big trade - CARINI ?? :rolleyes:

I got no clue on what would happen when it comes to this department:
Toldo
J.Cesar
Carini
Frey

:rolleyes: :D
 

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maxwell would be one of the worst people to play at LB. his more attacknig than carlos, hence thats why his a natural left winger...but if we start to use him at left back the defensive problems wont be solved.

plus if mancio buys a left footed player (janku, cesar etc..) imsure its for left wing and not left back.
 
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