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Look, my point is that big club, small club doesn't matter. What matters is 1. is the player a good fit for the squad? 2. is his mentality right? 3. is he a hardworker?

SMS fits the criteria. Frattesi might be as well.

What I think is going to happen is we'll get SMS next summer for free.
 

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Look, my point is that big club, small club doesn't matter. What matters is 1. is the player a good fit for the squad? 2. is his mentality right? 3. is he a hardworker?

SMS fits the criteria. Frattesi might be as well.

What I think is going to happen is we'll get SMS next summer for free.
Well my point is that he needs to prove himself in big club to prove that he is worth of that price. Or win with Lazio scudetto being their best player like Kvara in Napoli.
 

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oh c'mon, he proved himsefl for the price of 40 mil. and as for the salary, you go bring Fratessi for 30 mil and if he will be good he will insist on new contract for much higher salary
 

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Winning doesn't make you a player worthy of more money.

Lukaku winning a scudetto with Inter made Chelsea to extremely overpay for him.

Lemme ask you this? Why did Barella deserve his high transfer if he only played for Cagliari that isn't winning anything, ever? Was he worth that money? I think he was. SMS would be the same.
 

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I don't follow Croatians closely, but I've noticed that Perisic as well is very well fit for 34 years old. Brozo is still a machine despite he is not some special diet or whatever. It could be genetics. Darijo Srna also had a quite long football life.
Prosinecki was a chain smoker. But he was finished on big stage at like 27-28 years old, unlike Brozo, for whom smoking & frozen pizza provide with super-powers
 

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Prosinecki was maestro on the ball and didnt have to run, much like Pirlo and he showed that in Jube, Perisic is a monster when he is motivated and he knows to be unmotivated, broz style of play has a lot of running but can still be usefull if he slows down a bit, so he can play on this level fot at least a 3 years
 

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just sign dani ceballos for free and forget about frattesi or sms. who knows maybe sms would do a skriniar and sign with us free next season…

real madrid midfield are just too stacked with quality mids right now
 

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SMS is a great player, but at this point he is out of our budget. Wages and fee are too much.

It seems to me that Frattesi will replace Brozo? I hope that 2 years loan deal with obligation is true and it seems that is the only way we can pull this big of deal trough!

Frattesi is good player and young + Italian and reasonable wages. Fee is massive but maybe we can include some youth players in the deal?
 

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SMS is a great player, but at this point he is out of our budget. Wages and fee are too much.

It seems to me that Frattesi will replace Brozo? I hope that 2 years loan deal with obligation is true and it seems that is the only way we can pull this big of deal trough!

Frattesi is good player and young + Italian and reasonable wages. Fee is massive but maybe we can include some youth players in the deal?
If the loan deal is true, then we don't have to sell Brozo. Sell Gosens and we should generate enough cash in 2 years to cover Frattesi's purchase.
 

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Selling brozo and buying frattesi just confirms what’s already known. We’re a selling club now who will prefer to invest in younger players. SMS is twice the player Frattesi is but due to age profile, the club have to think re sale value. Not what I want, but it’s the way it is. Personally I think Frattesi is above average at best but who knows.
 

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Frattesi - Hakan - Barella to me seems a more balanced midfield than SMS - Hakan - Barella. Also we still have Mkhi who could easily start in the first scenario.

Sometimes it’s not about who is the superior player. It’s obvious that if you look at each player individually SMS is the superior player. However, we have to think smart both financially and in terms of the way we play. If we were rich we could “gamble” on SMS. Then if he doesn’t work out we wouldn’t worry about the fact he’s 28 and on high wages with no resale value. Or we would just buy someone more defensive minded than Hakan in the next window to fix our mistake. We can’t do that.

IMO Frattesi makes more sense for this team financially and competitively at this moment.
 

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Frattesi is actually a bit underrated here. Sure, SMS is better currently and ideally we wouldn't have to sell Brozovic, but Frattesi is a very good young player that has been improving with each season. Ideally we would add this type of player to what we already have, but we all know the financial situation we are in.

What I like about Frattesi is his ability to make runs into the box and get on the end of chances - we don't have a player like that. Barella is more 'creative' than Frattesi and can chip in with goals but Barella seems more of the type to score some amazing goals but lack composure in chances he really should score. From watching Frattesi, he won't score most of the goals Barella does, but makes the right runs into the box and his finishing has improved this year. He also has good athleticism which is important in today's game.

He has also just become a regular player for Italy as well - it could be just me, but seems like Mancini trusts Frattesi more than the likes of Tonali and Locatelli recently?
 

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Frattesi - Hakan - Barella to me seems a more balanced midfield than SMS - Hakan - Barella. Also we still have Mkhi who could easily start in the first scenario.

Sometimes it’s not about who is the superior player. It’s obvious that if you look at each player individually SMS is the superior player. However, we have to think smart both financially and in terms of the way we play. If we were rich we could “gamble” on SMS. Then if he doesn’t work out we wouldn’t worry about the fact he’s 28 and on high wages with no resale value. Or we would just buy someone more defensive minded than Hakan in the next window to fix our mistake. We can’t do that.

IMO Frattesi makes more sense for this team financially and competitively at this moment.
I agree.

But now we are selling Brozovic. Frattesi was suppose to be replacing Gagliardini to add depth. If we add some fuck shit as depth and Frattesi goes to starting XI, that's BS. Our midfield is worse than last season.

We need to go after SMS.
 

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This hurry to sign Frattesi worries me a bit. I have a feeling that we want him secured, in case if a satisfactory offer comes for Barella. Losing Brozovic and Barella in the same time will be huge blow for us imo.
 

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I agree.

But now we are selling Brozovic. Frattesi was suppose to be replacing Gagliardini to add depth. If we add some fuck shit as depth and Frattesi goes to starting XI, that's BS. Our midfield is worse than last season.

We need to go after SMS.
Replacing Gagliardini with Frattesi was too good to be true, Frattesi is a player that could easily start for us, we are not Real that can have so much quality on the bench. Honestly i don't agree, our midfield is not worse, it's getting better with him, but he also needs to adapt first of course. Barella for example needed almost a season, while Sensi was already amazing. (then he got injured and never was the same player again)

About SMS: There was a discussion here. If i have to be honest, i also feel hes overrated. He is a good player, no question. But i feel like he isn't that good like he was in past. The fact that only Juve wants him says already a lot. If he was THAT class some other top club would join the race.
 

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Selling brozo and buying frattesi just confirms what’s already known. We’re a selling club now who will prefer to invest in younger players. SMS is twice the player Frattesi is but due to age profile, the club have to think re sale value. Not what I want, but it’s the way it is. Personally I think Frattesi is above average at best but who knows.
im reading the same things that some people said when we got Barella for 30M. It's hard to judge a player if you don't watch him enough. Italian players are underrated, people live still in 2019 where SMS was the best midfielder in Serie A, they don't watch Serie A in this days. I don't see this big gap, they are both great players, but with diffrent attributes, diffrent age and diffrent position. Frattesi has everything to become a club legend like Barella and Dima. SMS is more like a good Brozo replacement but i don't think he is this good people think and hes also much older.

edit: another thing i would add is that i see Frattesi better then SMS in our 352.
 
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