Copa América 2011

[b4h4mooth]

hahahahahahha

I thought it was the Penalty for Rugby game bwahahaha

 

[Sid]

hahahahahahha

 

[Ash1899]

 

[AxigZag.ESIOLAG.]

Have you heard of a team called Barcelona ? Thiago Motta did play in Spain.... And he was pretty terrible at times.

Who isn't? My thought is Banega hasn't shown anything to warrant the "hype" thrown on him! Be it at Valencia & worse yet with the Albiceleste! He remains imo, an average player.

 

[blackmore]

Who isn't? My thought is Banega hasn't shown anything to warrant the "hype" thrown on him! Be it at Valencia & worse yet with the Albiceleste! He remains imo, an average player.

season before last he was pretty special..last seson he was just meh, would be useful if ppl actually saw him play

 

[Sqnalkel]

Have you heard of a team called Barcelona ? Thiago Motta did play in Spain.... And he was pretty terrible at times.

So was Banega who was awful too. But that's not my point, I'm just saying that one good season, not great just good and still way below was expected from him isn't enough to judge Banega.

By the way T. Motta despite being a Barça's cantera product never had a chance against Xavi and Iniesta. That and injuries had more to do with him leaving than being terrible.

 

[Suneet]

Have you heard of a team called Barcelona ? Thiago Motta did play in Spain.... And he was pretty terrible at times.

He has been terrible at Inter too for most of the time. Your point?

 

[Doffy]

goddamn i missed the game... 0-0 oh well

on banega: i heard his last season in valencia was also a total fail.

and i fully agree that guarin/armero/vidal/asahmoa would fit better in inter. even though they arent arentinians... lol

 

[blackmore]

So was Banega who was awful too. But that's not my point, I'm just saying that one good season, not great just good and still way below was expected from him isn't enough to judge Banega.

By the way T. Motta despite being a Barça's cantera product never had a chance against Xavi and Iniesta. That and injuries had more to do with him leaving than being terrible.

well it was better then average season, but your right thats not the point. its very hard to judge someone based on just a season or two. but i guess our MF is so pathetic atm, anything thats even above average can be considered a significant improvement.

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He has been terrible at Inter too for most of the time. Your point?

if you had not jumped the gun and tried to act smart, you would have seen that i was answering someones question....not making a point.

read...

understand...

reply...

look familiar

 

[Suneet]

Yes... Alright, I'll give you my 2 cents and run.

I still dont see what you guys see in Banega. If we needed squad DM's it would make sense. We need a starting DM, we have enough on the bench in the squad and Banega isnt starting material. I'd rather not buy anyone, because to me Banega has really not done anything to be rated like you guys do. We can get Alvarez for one of the AM positions because we have 2 WC players there already. If shit hits the fan we arent short of options.

Dont come and tell me that he fits the new policy of our board(I know all that). He doesnt. Players who have shown a lot of potential and already won trophies in their career to quote MM. Dont also say that he'll come here to sit on the bench. We dont have the money to throw on the bench players. We arent signing for the bench in this part of our team.

HOWEVER: For the CM role the best dude we have is Motta, who seems to be a one season wonder apart from his injuries. Even under Mou he had a few good games, not as many it seems like. You can blame Busquets for getting him sent off for example, but he still was a walking brainfart to give him that chance for example. He was made to look better by our tactics and the awesome Cambiasso and JZ. When the tough times came this season we saw how poor he can be. We need someone better than his level, not just in potential for this position. There arent many 22 year old midfield generals.

I'd sign a 30 year old if it meant that the problem will be solved in all honesty. 10m on Banega is not a bad deal, but the worst case scenario is far more daunting than in say Nasri or Fabregas. Not saying that we should sign them, but trying to say Banega is not Inter quality. And that 10m spent on him can be better utilised.

I hope to eat my words if we sign him though.

 

[blackmore]

Yes... Alright, I'll give you my 2 cents and run.

I still dont see what you guys see in Banega. If we needed squad DM's it would make sense. We need a starting DM, we have enough on the bench in the squad and Banega isnt starting material. I'd rather not buy anyone, because to me Banega has really not done anything to be rated like you guys do. We can get Alvarez for one of the AM positions because we have 2 WC players there already. If shit hits the fan we arent short of options.

Dont come and tell me that he fits the new policy of our board(I know all that). He doesnt. Players who have shown a lot of potential and already won trophies in their career to quote MM. Dont also say that he'll come here to sit on the bench. We dont have the money to throw on the bench players. We arent signing for the bench in this part of our team.

HOWEVER: For the CM role the best dude we have is Motta, who seems to be a one season wonder apart from his injuries. Even under Mou he had a few good games, not as many it seems like. You can blame Busquets for getting him sent off for example, but he still was a walking brainfart to give him that chance for example. He was made to look better by our tactics and the awesome Cambiasso and JZ. When the tough times came this season we saw how poor he can be. We need someone better than his level, not just in potential for this position. There arent many 22 year old midfield generals.

I'd sign a 30 year old if it meant that the problem will be solved in all honesty. 10m on Banega is not a bad deal, but the worst case scenario is far more daunting than in say Nasri or Fabregas. Not saying that we should sign them, but trying to say Banega is not Inter quality. And that 10m spent on him can be better utilised.

I hope to eat my words if we sign him though.

Think about it from managements perspective.....

A) Either we get Banega cause there is no body else out there that either wants to join us or fits what we are looking for,

B) Keep the same old MF department while probably loosing out on mariga in the process.

Now which would you prefer?

All im hearing is that we should save the 10plus mill and use it on someone else......but who? Who is the other viable player that we could get that is young, has european and international experience, and could assimilate into the mould of our team? We havent been linked to anyone in all honesty, and that is the main problem here. First it was "oh fuck our management is shit cause we dont sign anyone", and now its suddenly "oh this guy is not good enough for our team because of blah blah blah...." Shall we reconsider maybe getting Kharja back?

If he was having a better copa showing every single fan would be on his jock right now. C'mon even messi is struggling with Baptistas tactics at the moment. Look how sucky Cuchu is playing? Lets not pass judgment on him over these past 2 games shall we. Just like Banega has been affected by teams tactics, Motta suffered the same fate this past year. Or have you forgotten that he was constently played out of position this whole season, not to mention hampered by injuries.

Banega had one extremely good year, and then he followed it up with a mediocre one after that, so im not saying he is some kind of super star. But as alternatives go, he is the best we can get. How do you know he's not inter quality? Did anyone think Zanetti would be inter quality the first day he turned up for training with his boots in a plastic bag?

So what should we do? Get him on the cheap and take a gamble on, and if it doesnt work out(big if), sell him off without loosing anything(he's still young and a regular for argentina,someone will sign him). Or have another season where everyone keeps whining and whinging about how sucky and old our MF is, and that we need to sign someone ASAP?

I know what id prefer!

ps. Btw Alvarez is a wide player not an AM, and certainly not a back up for wes, even though he could be used in that spot if really necessary. He has been bought to start on the flank, and if you can accept him into the team....someone with not even half the credentials of Banega, then something is wrong here.

 

[Suneet]

Alvarez can play anywhere in AM part of our game.

1. If he's worth taking a gamble, why is he being sold at less than half the price he was bought for?
2. Why is there no other clubs after him considering there arent many young and upcoming midfielders in his mould? Even Muntari has Gala. Kharja has PSG.
3. If he fails at Inter or doesnt raise his level, we would have another player who doesnt want to leave because he woudnt have the same pay package elsewhere.
4. I havent even watched the copa, I have watched a few Valencia games though.
5. Personally I think him and Mariga are at the same level, Mariga has an advantage that he knows how this team plays. He has played in Serie A. He is being paid less than 1m a season. IMO he's a safer gamble. If I ruled the Inter transfer market I would give Mariga a chance. We can lose Muntari and save the money. I'd even go to the extent of Parolo as a half assed solution if it means we have cash in the bank for when a proper CM becomes available. I'd even sign Sissoko to whom we were rumored to, seen and heard better things about him. I still believe Cuchu played in his correct position will make his partner in midfield look better.
6. Forgot my point 6.

 

[blackmore]

Let me answer you according to your points...it will probably be easier to understand, for both of us.

1. I think you should pick up a news paper someday and check out whats happening in Spain right now. Valencia hav already sold several players for less then half their proper value.

2. Can you be sure? You know munta and kharja have followers because they are players of inter. Im sure if we dug deeper, we would find that there a several clubs interested in him.

3. No-one is asking to give him a whopper deal.

4. For some reason i caught many of Valencias games esp a couple of seasons ago. Let me just say the kid can play, as long as he doesnt bring up old demons.

5.You have only seen him play a couple of times but u think he's on par with Mariga? Let me tell you right now that this kid is way better then Big Mac. And what happens if he leaves to Napoli.....we going to be stuck with deki-cuchu-pupi-motta again?

NO THANKS!

Definately he's not the best MF out there....but like i said, beggars cannot be choosy. We have a chance to improve our MF department, the area thats been troubling us for ever. I said a few months ago that i hoped we kept our priorities right this mercato, and not go crazy with the sanchez/tevez rumours, and stick to our guns and get someone for our MF. Now we have a chance, we should go for it.

 

[n4l]

banega is top level player imo. All the tools are there.

He is playing below par at CA because Argentina tactics are complete rubbish. Masch is DM, Banega is CM/AM and cuchu is CM/AM. It is quite frankly, ridiculous. Same dumb shit rafa and leo did with cuchu; i.e. cuchu in a position where it is basically like playing with a man down since he is doing nothing. And because cuchu can't do shit on offense and masch is shit in distributing the ball out of defense, you'll see banega has to drop deep to pick the ball up, distribute, AND be their AM at the same time.

Either way, watch some games from last season in valencia and you'd see he was much, much better.

edit: Oh..and he's WAAAAY better than mariga. That shouldn't even be a comparison.






as for CA in general, it's been bad. Arg v Colombia was the best game by a mile. Tactics by Arg and Brazil are complete rubbish. I actually think Mano's tactics are even worse than Batista. Completely terrible. Lucas and Ramires as your CM/DM? Come on man. That's real garbage.

I kinda predicted Colombia to do very well in this tournament. Disappointed in the first game but much better v Argentina. Uruguay I think will do better next game, though Cavani is playing rubbish now that he is somewhat "known"....Chile is trying to play a nice brand but too bad their striker is shit, sanchez thinks he's ronaldo, and vidal thinks he's ballack.

 

[blackmore]

where the fuck u been N4L?

 

[chipschups]

we going to be stuck with deki-cuchu-pupi-motta again?

please dont

 

[Bill]

Yeah, this CA has been horrid thus far. Most goals scored by a player is 1. Chile has the most goals with 2. It was a week of the first matches, and no one wants to lose being it would practically eliminate them from competition. The stars have had opportunities against the minnows of South America and they have been jokes.

To think, if it wasn;t for a wonder strike by Aguero, Argentina would most likely be out of the tournament. They don't have an identity. Messi gets the ball at half way, dribbles to the heart of defense, passes, attack dies. Burdisso and Milito are pathetic defenders.

Brazil made the mistake of not bringing a Nilmar or Hulk as FWs or Hernanes to play SS/AM. Instead, the attack rests on the shoulders of Ganso and Neymar.

IMO, Columbia has looked the best so far. They have been very organized as a defense and have speed and physicality all over the pitch. Yepes has been the best defender thus far. They can create chances, but unless it is Falcao shooting the ball, I don't think they can score. Maybe starting Rodallega as SS can get them some goals.

 

[jmaster]

Boring shit. I almost fell asleep last night watching Argentina. It was 3AM anyway...

 

[Pajo]

lol, i read that Messi and Burdisso had an argue 2 days ago, ready to fight, and they were splitted by Zanetti. Any truth in this?

 

[Batman]

Messi has been a fighter-guy-wannabe these days, want to show the world that he can fight.. you all watched it against Bolivia.