Becoming a moderator

[Stefan]

We always welcome different perspectives. The difference here is that Gas feels he should be the mod instead of just a member. You easily notice it with the way he feels he can tell other members how they should post, especially in the adriano thread.

Also if there isn't many complaints its a sign that the majority of the forum are happy with the way things are run.

We have no problems with criticism and people giving advice but it should be done in the right spirit and I don't think that's the case here.

 

[La Bling]

Without arguments, which come along with intelligent debate, this forum would turn into a place for a bunch of people to jack each other off about Inter.

 

[Adam]

Make me mod. I promise to be fair to everyone and therefore my first contribution will be to insta-ban Azzkikr.

Nah, but seriously. I see both Ehsan and Stefan's points of view. However seeing as Gas is a mod on another forum he really has no business lecturing the mods on this one.

I see no reason to make the forum stricter than what it already is. I think only in one or two instances have I disagreed with a mods decision, but other than that they're running the forum well.
It would be quite boring if you couldn't call someone a retard without getting banned over it.

I mean I called Shahz, who in my opinion is one of the better posters here, a retard a few days ago, and he did the same to me. No biggie, he's still my homie. He's gay. Totally gay, but a homie nonetheless.
Anyways, point is there's a fine line between what is acceptable abuse and what is not, and this forum balances that line perfectly IMO.

This is a football forum gents, not a nitting class.

 

[Ilkinio]

I really don't like Gasparroni acting like fuckin king here.
I really don't like racist claims.
I really don't like that some fans think that they are better fans just because they were here before/they are italian/of italian origin/ so on.

 

[Gasparroni]

I really don't like Gasparroni acting like fuckin king here.
I really don't like that some fans think that they are better fans just because they were here before/they are italian/of italian origin/ so on.

First of all, I don't act like a king. I just am how I am, and like I respect how most members are, you should respect how I am either. Ofcourse we can't agree on everything, but there is no reason to have problems with eachother eather.

Better fans has never been said. But I think it's no wonder that a Italian person can know more facts about certain things. It's very normal, and this counts for everything in every country.

If the name calling is as bad as you think we would have lots of complaints. Fact of the matter is we have very few.

People argue its part of debate which is what a forum is about.

We know what works here. Most of the mods here have been running the forum very successfully for a long time. They don't need a lecture on how to run a forum.

It's not only the name calling. It's actually more the behaviour in general of certain members. People can also disagree on a normal way, talk things out on a normal way, but these things don't happend here. A bit more respect for eachother wouldn't be bad. In the end we love the same thing, and we are here all for the same reason.

Moderators just have to take things in the right way. And because I see things going in a negative way, I wonder if they do the right thing. They are the example and should lead discussions in the right way. It's a shame that this doesn't always happend. It's not that I say all moderators are bad etc, but it's just that things can be better than they are at the moment in my opinion.

I hope you can see these things as well. You don't need to wait untill some people start complainings, because most of the members don't complain against the right persons. If they don't need lecture how to run a forum (on a good and respected way), then why don't I see things are going well? It's a mess in about every topic...the argues between members are overruling discussions about Inter and our players. Is that what you want to see as crew? I prefer discussion on a normal level where everybody respects eachother. It's not that hard....

We always welcome different perspectives. The difference here is that Gas feels he should be the mod instead of just a member. You easily notice it with the way he feels he can tell other members how they should post, especially in the adriano thread.

Also if there isn't many complaints its a sign that the majority of the forum are happy with the way things are run.

We have no problems with criticism and people giving advice but it should be done in the right spirit and I don't think that's the case here.

XL, yes, I am a moderator on 2 other forums. But this doesn't mean anything on this forum. Here I am a normal member who comes here to have discussions, tell news and listen to other opinions. Nothing more than that. The only thing I want to make clear, is that I prefer to see discussions overruling the argues.

Stefan, I don't feel like being anything here. I just prefer to see things on a better way here. I don't come here to ruine anything, I just want to keep my time here positive, and also for the other members. I don't understand why you feel attacked by me. Am I a enemy for this forum? Please....

In my opinion argues should be talked out trough personal mesage, so the topics stay clean and the discussion can lead the topics. This is in my eyes how things should go...

 

[Adam]

If they don't need lecture how to run a forum (on a good and respected way), then why don't I see things are going well? It's a mess in about every topic...the argues between members are overruling discussions about Inter and our players. Is that what you want to see as crew? I prefer discussion on a normal level where everybody respects eachother. It's not that hard....

First of all: Do you realize you come off as a douchebag or is it completely unintentional? No offense.

Second, what is the avarage user frequency on the forums you moderate?

The reason i'm asking is because the bigger a forum gets the more difficult it becomes to moderate. ForzaInter is not huge compared to some more established forums, but it's much bigger than Pazza Inter, and thus much more difficult to moderate.

Small forums tend to have a familylike atmosphere, like I'm sure this one had when it started, while bigger forums are more like larger countries with different groups and rivalries, which make them harder to moderate.
I'm a member of many, many football forums, and while there are some that completely disallow vulgarities, this is perhaps the forum with the least amount of drama.

 

[Gasparroni]

First of all: Do you realize you come off as a douchebag or is it completely unintentional? No offense.

Second, what is the avarage user frequency on the forums you moderate? I'm a member on a lot of diffderent forums and if it wasn't for Azzkikr, and to a certain extent myself and a few other posters, this forum would be completely free of arguments.

The reason i'm asking is because the bigger a forum gets the more difficult it becomes to moderate. ForzaInter is not huge compared to some more established forums, but it's much bigger than Pazza Inter, and thus much more difficult to moderate.

Small forums tend to have a familylike atmosphere, like I'm sure this one had when it started, while bigger forums are more like larger countries with different groups and rivalries, which make them harder to moderate.
I'm a member of many, many football forums, and while there are some that completely disallow vulgarities, this is perhaps the forum with the least amount of drama.

I'm moderator on a footballforum with 11.426 members and 395 of them are active. About 250 members post and log in every day. There are about 1.000 to 1.500 new posts every day. We rule this forum with 8 moderators and because we always kept things tight, the level got pretty high.

Every member knows what is being asked of them, they know how to behave, they know what they can and can't say, they respect other opinions, they respect other members and still there is a good band between most of all.
Ofcourse not everybody are friends. But there is not even 1 topic where the level becomes that low, that people argue with eachother IN a topic. Name calling often happends, but then we as moderators jump in (it's our job...).

And what do I see here? A way smaller forum with pretty less active members. And still there is argue in about EVERY topic. I don't even attract to read in most topics anymore, because I can't imagine something usefull is being said, but there would just be an argue. And I know about some other members here, that they think the same. I don't think this is what we all want.

The main problems are the members, because they are the ones who do it. But I think moderators should handle it too, they can make a difference with the right job. So all I wanted is to start the ball rolling now. It's no attack or what ever, I don't want to act like anything. I just want this forum back to how it was when I just joined. Let's just keep things friendly and nice for eachother.

 

[Handoyo]

OK, first of all, Gas, you can just bluntly refer to me in the Adriano thread when you said "name-calling." OK, I apologize for name-calling but I'll also let you know that it's because of this repressed feeling I kept private about you walking around this forum acting like you're higher than anyone else. "I know more about this than you." "You should do this and this not that." "Hey you (member xxx) you shouldn't do this, it's not acceptable." "Close La Grande Inter and only have one forum!"

Like XL said, maybe you did it unconsciously and you don't mean it, but imagine if I go to the forum you're mod-ing and tell you how to run things, won't you be pissed? For me, you're insulting our intelligence here. We already discussed these things among the mods and then you, out there, are telling us what to do. And also, we are mods in an online forum, not the president of the USA or something. We should be allowed to let loose sometimes.

Second of all, with regards to Ehsan's post on how we still allow some trolls in the forum, I personally believe it's because we are too democratic. We have been actively discussing about these issues lately but there are also differences of opinion among the moderators. I'd like to hear what you have to say about this forum, you clearly seem to be one of the most intelligent posters here. If you don't wanna be in the spotlight by posting your opinion here, feel free to PM me.

Finally, I just want to say that because you think there is a lack of action by us, it doesn't mean that we're not doing anything. We are warning members by PM, which means that you don't know if we are warning them. We discuss things in the mod forum, which is unfortunately invisible from the members. It's like the current US government, you see. Just because the $700 billion bailout plan was rejected by the Senate (or the House, can't remember) earlier on, it doesn't mean that there are not people who are drafting and lobbying the plans to the others.

I hope this clarify some issues here, and that you guys still enjoy posting here.

 

[Adam]

Look, I see your point. I was frustrated that certain members took their private squabbles in every other thread, turning each thread into an off-topic war. That stopped and atleast now when we argue we stay on topic, and that's really good enough for me.

And honestly if people aren't happy with the level of quality then they should try to raise it by posting quality.

 

[Gasparroni]

OK, first of all, Gas, you can just bluntly refer to me in the Adriano thread when you said "name-calling." OK, I apologize for name-calling but I'll also let you know that it's because of this repressed feeling I kept private about you walking around this forum acting like you're higher than anyone else. "I know more about this than you." "You should do this and this not that." "Hey you (member xxx) you shouldn't do this, it's not acceptable." "Close La Grande Inter and only have one forum!"

Like XL said, maybe you did it unconsciously and you don't mean it, but imagine if I go to the forum you're mod-ing and tell you how to run things, won't you be pissed? For me, you're insulting our intelligence here. We already discussed these things among the mods and then you, out there, are telling us what to do. And also, we are mods in an online forum, not the president of the USA or something. We should be allowed to let loose sometimes.

Second of all, with regards to Ehsan's post on how we still allow some trolls in the forum, I personally believe it's because we are too democratic. We have been actively discussing about these issues lately but there are also differences of opinion among the moderators. I'd like to hear what you have to say about this forum, you clearly seem to be one of the most intelligent posters here. If you don't wanna be in the spotlight by posting your opinion here, feel free to PM me.

Finally, I just want to say that because you think there is a lack of action by us, it doesn't mean that we're not doing anything. We are warning members by PM, which means that you don't know if we are warning them. We discuss things in the mod forum, which is unfortunately invisible from the members. It's like the current US government, you see. Just because the $700 billion bailout plan was rejected by the Senate (or the House, can't remember) earlier on, it doesn't mean that there are not people who are drafting and lobbying the plans to the others.

I hope this clarify some issues here, and that you guys still enjoy posting here.

Thanks for your answer. I appreciate that.

I didn't refer to you, you are one of the greatest members. I just ment it in general. We all share the same interest, so we already all have a band and I think we shouldn't call eachother unacceptable names.

I will apologize here openly to everybody that felt atracted to my words. It was more a reaction of me to the things that were said by others. I shouldn't have done it, it was a weak reaction of me.

All the things that I said besides that, were just ment positive. I never ment to act like a leader or what ever, I just want to steer some things in the right way, and I hoped it could work the way I did it. I don't know how else I can open the eyes of some members....but I just want the best for everybody, and I think it's nice for ever member when the levels get's a bit higher than just argues that shouldn't even be in a topic.

But I must say that I really like this forum. You can think I don't like it, because I critice things. But if I wouldn't like it, I wouldn't return every day. This counts for all the other members as well. Now I just hope the mood of all of us can become a bit happier, so we could go on more well with eachother. Ofcourse there can be missunderstandings between members, there can happend things that someone else don't like. But those things will always happend, and can just been talked out or what ever on a normal way as well.
I don't want to see that people act different because this is internet. When you meet an Interista in a cafe, you will not call him to fuck off and that he sucks etc just because he doesn't think Ibrahimovic is our perfect striker. So there is also no need to act like that on the internet in my opinion.
I know I probably ask too much, and I want things too perfect. But I hope it can just become a bit better.

I am sure you moderators will do a lot of work. And as always, they are always the ones to blame. I didn't mean it wrong, I'm sorry. I also know half of the work is never being seen by normal members. But on the forum I work, we jump in when things go wrong. And because I saw all the argues going on, and nothing happened, I just thought that maybe there wasn't any action being taking from above. This could have been another mistake by me. At least I don't mean it bad.

For me things are cleared out now. I hope the members will all try to help to bring this forum to a respectable place for all other the members.

 

[Handoyo]

Nice to see we're on the same page then. Gas, if you have any inputs, please just PM one of the mods, it's better for all of us. Your opinion is more heard personally, members won't feel that a non-mod is telling them how to do things and the mods won't feel that someone else is trying to do their job.

 

[Ehsan]

I'm glad this discussion took place, as I can see there were a few pent-up emotions which came out, and everyone's happy

Han, I'm happy with the management of the forum and any suggestions I make would be more of a personal taste. It's like how I love Moratti for running Inter as a family business, but I would rather see a more corporate approach to the management of the club. I'm not undermining his great achievements, but I have a different vision for the future of the club.


For the forums I could use an analogy: You can go to a bar to watch and talk about football, or you can go to a coffee shop.

In the bar you can shout, curse, and have a good laugh with the lads. You'll get drunk, curse at the game, and maybe even get in a fight.

In the coffee shop you'll sit at a nice table, talk quietly, and enjoy a sip of espresso. You'll probably jump for joy if your team scores and attract looks of hate from the other supporters, but they won't send you home with a chipped tooth.

I'm personally a coffee shop guy, but some people would say football is a game for men, and coffee shops are for sissies. Two different ends of the spectrum, neither of them necessarily right or wrong, but both successful in their own ways of attracting a different crowd.

 

[La Bling]

I'd like to keep this discussion going, it's fun to read. Ban me if this is out of line.

1. Gas is obviously asking to become a moderator.
2. Gas, if this forum is so horrible, why are you here.
3. Gas, I counted at least 4 grammatical/spelling errors in a single paragraph. Yes, errors are acceptable, but if you are going to make them, don't type in a way that lies about your level of intelligence.
4. This seems to be a disagreement, ban everyone involved.

 

[Gasparroni]

I'd like to keep this discussion going, it's fun to read. Ban me if this is out of line.

1. Gas is obviously asking to become a moderator.
2. Gas, if this forum is so horrible, why are you here.
3. Gas, I counted at least 4 grammatical/spelling errors in a single paragraph. Yes, errors are acceptable, but if you are going to make them, don't type in a way that lies about your level of intelligence.
4. This seems to be a disagreement, ban everyone involved.

I don't see any reason why you are making this post.

1. I don't want to be moderator here. I am a member who wants that this forum is nice for all the members so it can have more members and there will be more fun and friendly times.
2. I never said this forum is horrible. So please read better.
3. I will surely make more grammatical errors. I didn't study the English language and I don't think my general intelligence relies to grammatical errors of a languages that I normally never speak.

Now don't quote me again, but just leave this discussion alone. It's all talked out, so don't try to find a reason to make a new argue. Else you are just one of those persons who has to watch himself because that are things that shouldn't be allowed in topics like these.