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[Gismo]

This explains why Gobbi are doing so well defencevely even though they got former unreliable Gobbivaro!

Typical! Now he is giving 100% showing dedication and heart for Gobbi just because he reunited with former teammates... The very thing he failed to show for us. Apparently he needs special players before he wants too give his best on the pitch!! Another example of this is his last season with Parma: There he was Super Canna until Buffon and Thuram took off to Torino. So some of the mistery of Fabio Cannavaro has now been uncovered...

It´s pure BS saying that he was blamed for every goal Inter conceded! :yuck:

For God´s sake... You were treated like a star and this is how you repay us, you immature and illoyal Traitor!! :wth:

This is also evidence that Branca were truthful about the reasons behind the Cannavaro/Carini swap. It was either Cannavaro or Vieri to leave. And since we got Burdisso Cannavaro would just complain in case he was benched so Gobbivaro was despensable and Vieri wasn´t assuming he would blossom again after his bad relations with Zac and friendship with new coach Mancini.

So they decide to keep Vieri and they don´t think that Cannavaro would show heart for Gobbi anyway since obviously the mistery of this player is a hard nut to crack. So we trade him to Gobbi in return for a likely long term replacement of Toldo.

I´d say smart thinking, for once from our management. :lala:

Were they supposed to be psychics who would know that inside a Traitor´s head it is decided to suddenly give your best? Hell no, that´s a little too much to expect...

 

[ILuvInter]

No , no To Offload Canna after all he said was Wise but to an Arch-rival ...NOOOOOOOOOO

Without Good Cash to Respect us Inter Fans NOOOOOOOOOO

Anyways He doesn't deserve to be talked about from Now on from what he said ..Rot in Hell Canna !!! I officialy Hate you right NOW after what you said .

 

[Hammoudi]

Come to think of it, Cannavaro can't be a leader in defence because he is more of a complementer. It's true that he blossomed with Thuram and Buffon at Parma, but when they left he didn't play so great.

With the national team, he excelled along Maldini -who wouldn't- and now along Nesta. I'm not taking anything away from him, but he isn't a one-man show.

What i mean by that is players that can carry a team, or a department of a team by themselves. Nesta played great with Lazio even before Stam came, Stam continued to play excellently in Lazio's defence although he was paired by two average at best defenders in Miha and Couto. Same with Cordoba who at times can take the sole defensive responsibility, and JZ who can rule the right side even along Conceicao and VDM2003.

I kind of understand why Canna didn't hit it off with us. We expected too much, we expected a defender who'd solve our defensive woes, a defender who'd step in when others aren't so great. Instead, we were disappointed with him, all the while we didn't know that Canna is a defender who complements another great defender. Problem was, he can't complement Cordoba because they play the same position. Also, Materazzi and Adani weren't Nesta or Maldini.

 

[Ziyad]

I dont see anything wrong with what he said...We should remmeber these players are professionals.I agree that a defender is better off when he understands his teammates thinking and movements,whats soo bad about that..

For those who didnt appreciate him just take alook at our defence with Canna in it and with him not in. Just because the guy isnt with us anymore doesnt mean he is less talented.

 

[Jimmy]

You do realise Gismo, that, that article completely wrecks your whole "traitor" argument? It was INTER that wanted to release Cannavaro. It was not Cannavaro who wanted to leave.

Cannavaro is currently playing with Juventus has he did at the end of last season with us. Too bad Inter didn´t want to keep him.

But Cannavaro has been treated bad from the Inter fans from start to finish. He is correct with that we blamed every goal on him. Just go back and read the forums on it, and how much crap Canna has had to endure. And now when it´s Inter who decide to sell him, we blame it on Canna as well.

Then that he plays his heart out for Juve, must be the biggest crap I´ve read. He actually ran more with Inter. He is barely noticable at Juve because they are rarely tested. At Inter he had to do several tackles and everything. He is just as good with Juve as he was at the end of last season. I would actually say that you´re finally watching Canna week in and week out, and with your pre-opinions about him as an Inter player without watching him week in and week out, you jump into conclusions that he tries more with Juve.

 

[Ziyad]

Exactly,thank you Jimmy for inserting some sense in this argument...Look at Juves defence and look at ours.Theirs is much better by far ofcourse,they solidified it with the present we gave them and for what,money!!!
Since when does Inter spending bother people that much,at least with Canna it was in the right department because in the short run we will be suffering his loss while our opponent are reaping the rewards of the deal.

I find it very wierd that we blame a guy that was not 100% but played alot for all the money he was paid and not some players that made more money and didnt play as much or werent as effective..Plus we put too much pressure on Canna like he said when it came to our defensive mishaps but i dont see the same standard being applied to Cordoba and JZ even when they committ major mistakes.

 

[Gismo]

I said I wouldn´t discuss the swap but it turns out I can´t help myself.

You do realise Gismo, that, that article completely wrecks your whole "traitor" argument? It was INTER that wanted to release Cannavaro. It was not Cannavaro who wanted to leave.

Cannavaro is currently playing with Juventus has he did at the end of last season with us. Too bad Inter didn´t want to keep him.

But Cannavaro has been treated bad from the Inter fans from start to finish. He is correct with that we blamed every goal on him. Just go back and read the forums on it, and how much crap Canna has had to endure. And now when it´s Inter who decide to sell him, we blame it on Canna as well.

I don´t jump into any conclusions, Jimmy. I know that he made me nervous week in week out when he was on the pitch for Inter.

And if he played as bad as he did most of the time for Inter now I would be so happy. I am not because he´s actually not bad anymore. At least he has been so far IMO.

That the Gobbi defence hasn´t been tested yet is correct. But he did save them vs. Sampdoria a couple of times.

Then that he plays his heart out for Juve, must be the biggest crap I´ve read. He actually ran more with Inter. He is barely noticable at Juve because they are rarely tested. At Inter he had to do several tackles and everything. He is just as good with Juve as he was at the end of last season. I would actually say that you´re finally watching Canna week in and week out, and with your pre-opinions about him as an Inter player without watching him week in and week out, you jump into conclusions that he tries more with Juve.

No it doesn´t destroy my Traitor argument because he didn´t give 100% for us as I see it. And players who don´t show their heart and determination for their clubs are clearly betraying the club and it´s fans IMO. This interview doesn´t make him less of a traitor to me... So you´re wrong.

So what if he played pretty good in periods?? What we need is a player who can perform well consistently! Not someone like Cannavaro who has to play with his friends to actually give a shit!!

Until Cannavaro performs like Super Canna for Gobbi I´m still happy that we swapped him for Carini! :lala:

And please don´t tell me you really buy his lousy excuses for never giving a shit... Can´t you see he never cared one bit for Inter?!? My Lord... Isn´t it obvious that he only has desire and determination to play and win when he´s playing with his friends...??

At Parma he was Super Canna until his friends Buffon and Thuram left... Then he didn´t give a shit either!

For us he only performed close to the Super Canna we all know. And that happened only in periods... :thumbsdo:

Now that he is reunited with his buddies Ferrara, Buffon, Thuram, etc. he suddenly performs close to Super Canna allmost all the time...!! G, I wonder why...

Can´t you see that he only cares when he´s on a team where his friends are there too? I´ll tell you why he didn´t perform well for us as I see it:

Inter had no Ferrara, Buffon or Thuram. So why would he care? And of course his injury that has to have played it´s part as well!

So we critized Cannavaro when he screwed up? Should we just ignore his bad influence on our favourite club?!?

Vieri is critized all the time. So were Cannavaro. And you know why? Because they were stars when they came to our club! (I know Canna didn´t perform well with Parma the last season) So naturally the expectation are bound to be sky high. What did Gobbivaro expect for God´s sake?? Vieri is in the same situation: The fans and press are often after him because he doesn´t play up to Super Vieri for some time now... And of course we didn´t blame Cannavaro for every goal, that´s ridiculous!

I don´t see him accepting to be sold to Juventus just because Inter wants to offload him and then performing much better for them... :thumbsup:

Why shouldn´t we blame Gobbivaro for leaving us?? It´s his own fault that he didn´t give a shit for us. And I surely expected him to play as Super Canna for us at least one season or play close to his best consistently at least. But no...

He decides to do well when he´s forced to play for Gobbi. Nice display of loyalty to all us fans who loved him when he was Super Canna in Parma and looked forward to seeing that awsome player for Inter. He miserably failed in doing that...

And I repeat: He did well in periods for us. So far it seems he´s decided to to well more often for Gobbi now... And why could that be?

I dont see anything wrong with what he said...We should remmeber these players are professionals.I agree that a defender is better off when he understands his teammates thinking and movements,whats soo bad about that..

There´s nothing wrong with that. And I never said that. What I´m arguing here is that whether you play together with a player you understand well and like off the pitch or not you have an obligation to give 100% for your team. That´s real proffesionalism. He didn´t show that for us as I see it.

Hence I´m pissed that he decides to act proffesional for Gobbi instead of us.

No , no To Offload Canna after all he said was Wise but to an Arch-rival ...NOOOOOOOOOO

Without Good Cash to Respect us Inter Fans NOOOOOOOOOO

Anyways He doesn't deserve to be talked about from Now on from what he said ..Rot in Hell Canna !!! I officialy Hate you right NOW after what you said .

Did we have a choice? If Gobbivaro despite playing avarage for us demands a place in the lineup we´re forced to do so and decrease the strength of our team. Because if we don´t he would just whine an b!tch about it...

Besides Carini is a good player. :stuckup:

Exactly,thank you Jimmy for inserting some sense in this argument...Look at Juves defence and look at ours.Theirs is much better by far ofcourse,they solidified it with the present we gave them and for what,money!!!
Since when does Inter spending bother people that much,at least with Canna it was in the right department because in the short run we will be suffering his loss while our opponent are reaping the rewards of the deal.

I find it very wierd that we blame a guy that was not 100% but played alot for all the money he was paid and not some players that made more money and didnt play as much or werent as effective..Plus we put too much pressure on Canna like he said when it came to our defensive mishaps but i dont see the same standard being applied to Cordoba and JZ even when they committ major mistakes.

You think giving them Cannavaro was a gift? You think he gave 100% for us? :shock: Too much pressure? This is proffesional high level football, not a bunch of kids playing for fun... Furthermore he should have accepted the pressure by taking it as a compliment instead!

Personally I find it hard to criticize Il Capitano aka God after all he has done for us. And I always blamed Cordoba equally much as I blamed Cannavaro. But since the latter screwed up so often it came to the point where he made me nervous everytime he played for us. He was a source of worry for me and frankly I was fed up with his lack of dedication and wanted him sold in the Summer to a non-Italian club.

His wages were so high that it was downright absurd. So when left with the choice of having to offload one of them my choice would be Gobbivaro in a heartbeat.

 

[Jimmy]

Whatever you say

 

[Ziyad]

Whatever you say

Exactly...

How are u measuring his heart...and determination by the way.I am sorry to say that for me ur argument doesnt hold water,how can u determine that when the guy played for us injured and was solid doing soo looking like the best defender as the season progressed.So if he didnt have the qualities u seek and was the best,what does that make the rest look like to u?
And as for Canna being a gift,yes he was. We got a player and a measly amount and both havent been made use of this season.Statistics say that Juve's defence is better than ours and i bet better than theirs from last year.Statistics say that in every game we played in SerieA we had big defensive mistakes without him...They are better off right now in every sense of the deal.

 

[Ziyad]

By the way this is a quote from u ..well one of them
"Did we have a choice? If Gobbivaro despite playing avarage for us demands a place in the lineup we´re forced to do so and decrease the strength of our team. Because if we don´t he would just whine an b!tch about it... "

What is ur proof ,as much of the talk u throw around there is no statistic or proof...He was injured and played without whining and bitching,where r u getting all this. Is it that u believe it in ur head and repeat it to us that u now think its fact and want us to believe so too...

Mancini himself is upset about this deal as many other players especially in defence and u can see that in their comments when asked about it..Are u telling me ur assessment is better than those closest to the situation like Mancini and Matrix among others...

 

[Gismo]

Is it that u believe it in ur head and repeat it to us that u now think its fact and want us to believe so too...

Look, I have my opinion and you have yours. If you think I´m trying to "force" my opinion you´re mistaken.

Think what you like but I´m merely expressing my opinion, mate.

How are u measuring his heart...and determination by the way.

By looking at how he performed for us which was everything but consistent. And comparing that to how he plays for Gobbi now and Parma before his buddies left. It´s crystal clear to me.

I disagree that he did solid, and that´s partially what makes us disagree.

Mancini himself is upset about this deal as many other players especially in defence and u can see that in their comments when asked about it..Are u telling me ur assessment is better than those closest to the situation like Mancini and Matrix among others...

Everyone can have their opinion on this matter. Mancini and our players can have their own view of it and I can have mine. This is how it should be. I´m not implying my assessment is better than anybody´s! I´m only explaining my assessment and how I make it.

By the way this is a quote from u ..well one of them
"Did we have a choice? If Gobbivaro despite playing avarage for us demands a place in the lineup we´re forced to do so and decrease the strength of our team. Because if we don´t he would just whine an b!tch about it... "

What is ur proof ,as much of the talk u throw around there is no statistic or proof...He was injured and played without whining and bitching,where r u getting all this. Is it that u believe it in ur head and repeat it to us that u now think its fact and want us to believe so too...

My proof is that Cannavaro is a popular star - captain of Italia NT. Therefore I´d say he would demand a place in any team. Proof of his whining is that he essentially said: "Everybody was after me at Inter, I was blamed for all the goals we conceded and I wasn´t appreciated" This is specifically what he said:

"Every time Inter took in a goal it was blamed on me, and I don’t think this is fair." :rollani::thumbsdo:

"...Here they made me feel immediately important, and for a player this is crucial" :frustrat::finger::wth:

When he arrived at Inter he was welcomed like a star!!! He was treated like a freeking star too... Until we swapped him for Gobbi. :stuckup:

So his whining and bitching are not valid. It´s just his pathetic attempt to excuse why he never played up to his very best for Inter!! :dielaugh:

So screw you Gobbivaro! :yawn:

 

[Jimmy]

Fact number one: You saw minimal matches of Cannavaro with Inter

Fact number two: You make a lot of opinions regarding a player of what you have heard.

Fact number three: Cannavaro says he was blamed for most goals.

Fact number four: You ridicule that statement of his.

Fact number five: And yet it is this bashing that Cannavaro has received that you also rate him for.


See the lack of completely logic on your side? If you had seen him play week in and week out, you would have a case. But right now you rate him due to listening to what others have said, who has bashed him and then you go and ridicule Canna when he says that people bashed him.

 

[Gismo]

All your "facts" are true except number 4 and 5. I think I do have a good case and I don ´t base it on bashers words.

And there´s no lack of logic. Why don´t you post what you disagree with instead of saying you don´t agree with my logic? It would be interesting to hear why you disagree, Jimster.

And for the record I watched Cannavaro in CL, UEFA Cup and for Italia while I watched him almost never in Serie A. Furthermore you can read match reports and so on...

I´ve based my opinion of Gobbivaro from the above. Not from people who bashed him. So that´s not true at all...

So it´s not like I´ve been in the dark or something.

And of course I ridicule Gobbivaro after what has happened. 2

 

[Handoyo]

You know Gismo, I don't wanna be rude but everytime your conspiracy theory on Cannavaro came up, I completely ignore your post. I'm sorry but I find your argument that Cannavaro didn't play his heart out for Inter is just ridiculous. Give me a motive, please? And more importantly, evidences.


Handyo

 

[Gismo]

I already posted the evidence and motive and I don´t find you rude.

 

[Jimmy]

You just said you read match-reports to make an opinion about Canna. These are the type of negative influences that Canna was talking about. Same with journalists.

 

[Gismo]

Well who says the authors of those match reports were wrong? Same with the journalists? Their view is not worse than anyones elses IMO...

 

[Handoyo]

Well who says the authors of those match reports were wrong? Same with the journalists? Their view is not worse than anyones elses IMO...

Well, they could be wrong. For example, a lot of the forumers buy the fact that Zac used 4-2-3-1 last season against Parma (Match-reports stated that), which me and Jimmy disagree. Then again, of course me and Jimmy could be wrong.


Handyo

 

[Gismo]

Of course Zac didn´t use 4-2-3-1. At least I don´t think so.

My opinion of Cannavaro is only as good as anyone´s IMHO. Not better nor worse.

The people writing match reports can of course be wrong. But so can everyone who watches a football match. Also the ratings of everyone of Cannavaro is included in my thoughts of him. But I mostly judge from what I´ve seen of him myself over the years. It all adds up to my personal opinion of the player.

 

[Ziyad]

Ur basing ur bashing and such strong feeling about Canna without watching SerieA games and on match reports and u want people to think ur objective...I disagree with many people on many issues but at least there are valid reasons in this case everything u say and try to share lacks objectivity...