2012/2013 Defenders Rumors Thread

[Pajo]

After watching Chelsea vs Inter, i realized that we are in desperate need of a RWB. Nagatomo is very poor on that position, i mean VERY POOR while only Jonathan is not enough.

Why? Because his name is Nagatomo and not Nagatominho?

 

[interlab]

Why? Because his name is Nagatomo and not Nagatominho?

I do not understand why you always turn out to the "nationalism" here. I do not care whether he is from Brasil, Japan or whatever if he doesn't perform well i cannot say he does. I saw the match last night and you can see clearly that Naga, isnt not for RWB. He cannot cross, he complicates the action, poor defensively, etc. He is surely better on the left side. And btw this is my opinion i hope i get respected.

 

[rockball]

To people rating Nagatomo so highly, would you pick him in a lineup over Isla, Lichtsteiner, Zuniga, De Sciglio, Maggio, Asamoah for either LB/RB/RWB/LWB?

 

[thatdude]

Nagatomo actually defended quite well last night. He matches up well against other small shifty players like Hazard, Mata, etc. Where he gets into trouble is the mismatches against physically superior players like Ibra. I agree he leaves a bit to be desired as a RWB but I think it's a comfort thing. He is used to playing on the left for club and country so it will take a while before he's comfortable on the right. But unless we bring in a top RWB, I think we should stick with him there and let him settle.

 

[Hasan]

To people rating Nagatomo so highly, would you pick him in a lineup over Isla, Lichtsteiner, Zuniga, De Sciglio, Maggio, Asamoah for either LB/RB/RWB/LWB?

Isla - right back
Lichesstiner - right back
Zuniga - mostly right back but he can play good on the left
Se Sciglio - young and good right back
Asamoah - more a midlefilder (that's a reason why Juve trying for Kolarov and Zuniga)

So ... my answer is yes. I would use Nagatomo over that players like LWB in 3-5-2.

In other formations I would use more defensive plyer considering there would be a winger infront of full back in some other fotmation.

 

[n4l]

Nagatomo is actually pretty poor defensively. He's fast, so typically can recover defensively and that's what people see. However, almost every other aspect of his defending is poor. He's really a wide midfielder.

And he's definitely not good against "small" players. Hazard and Mata aren't 1v1 dribbling type players. They're play makers. Defending against players who really aren't going to take you on isn't too difficult. 1v1 players eat Nagatomo for breakfast. Ask Alejandro Gomez

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To people rating Nagatomo so highly, would you pick him in a lineup over Isla, Lichtsteiner, Zuniga, De Sciglio, Maggio, Asamoah for either LB/RB/RWB/LWB?

Naga wouldn't start over any of them, even though I hate Lich-bitch.

 

[thatdude]

I disagree with Hazard not being the type of player to take players on and make them commit. Didn't he win the most Pk's in the EPL last year? He is a tricky winger with great playmaking ability. I would agree on Mata not being the type to dribble.

 

[n4l]

Hazard CAN do it but doesn't do it often. He is more inclined to cut inside and try to create, rather than put his head down and take you on 1v1, like say victor moses does for them.

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And let's be honest. If Hazard wants to take on yuto and destroy him, he can...

 

[Rasha]

Nagatomo actually defended quite well last night. He matches up well against other small shifty players like Hazard, Mata, etc. Where he gets into trouble is the mismatches against physically superior players like Ibra. I agree he leaves a bit to be desired as a RWB but I think it's a comfort thing. He is used to playing on the left for club and country so it will take a while before he's comfortable on the right. But unless we bring in a top RWB, I think we should stick with him there and let him settle.

pereira is far worst on left than jonny on the right ... so why forcing naga to the right when jonny is a motherfucker for pereira

 

[Pajo]

I give up tbh... FOr me Naga is great at LB/LWB, and mediocre at RB and RWB. Too bad people don't like him for whatever reason that is.

 

[CafeCordoba]

People don't like him because he isn't good at defending. It's as simple as that.

 

[Shaun]

For me, Nagatomo is like Maxwell - Good enough and considerably better than our other options at LWB currently, but certainly not great. He often is caught upfield during opposition attacks, and he struggles against big strong players. His one on one defending is pretty decent. I also feel that he blows hot and cold. When he's on he's really a very good player.

 

[Pajo]

He is small and physical strikers fuck him up very easily. He had much problems with positioning, but he is getting better there. He is not bad tackler 1 on 1, and if he gets passed by, he recovers well since he is quick. He is short, and has problems with heading and taller players.

He is not that bad defensively. In fact, most of the great full backs are shit defenders, even worse than Naga. Hope Mazzarri can set our defense fine and we get good DM, preferably Gustavo, who can cover well. Naga came in shit Inter and with no defensive setup whatsoever, so every mistake he does is goalscoring chance, so people whine.

Maicon wasn't much better defender (even tho stronger and hadn't problems with physical players), but back then he had good setup to work in, and he had Zanetti to cover. If Maicon was dribbled or lost the ball, no worries, we have one of the best defenders in the world behind to cover, called Zanetti. So people didn't even take that into account. Hell, even his crosses in row Z weren't, since 1 in 10 will end up in some strikers head and be an assist. Not to mention the great goals he scored.

 

[Forzaforlan]

To people rating Nagatomo so highly, would you pick him in a lineup over Isla, Lichtsteiner, Zuniga, De Sciglio, Maggio, Asamoah for either LB/RB/RWB/LWB?

which of those can we buy today and start over him? and naga is loads better than pereira, your argument should be who can we find on free transfer better than pereira and there are probably 50 names.

 

[armendsh]

I give up tbh... FOr me Naga is great at LB/LWB, and mediocre at RB and RWB. Too bad people don't like him for whatever reason that is.

CANT CROSS if a winger cant cross wtf you need him than

 

[Shaun]

CANT CROSS if a winger cant cross wtf you need him than

Wingbacks and wingers are quite different. I do feel given Mazzarri's tactics that we do need a wingback who can cross though, because he seemingly wanted the midfielders to spread it to the wingbacks as often as possible. I still feel that losing out on Isla is a huge loss

A player I personally wouldn't mind us going after is Maxwell. I feel he's probably a better LWB than LB

 

[Pimpin]

Hazard is not a good 1 vs 1 player? :serious:

I'm sorry I'll have to disagree there

 

[Doffy]

he tries to be a good dribbler, he plays with a lot of flash but his passing and vision is obvioulsy much better, and his on and off the ball movement. hazard has never been exceptional one on one, remember how zanetti owned him back in the day? he is like n4l said more of a playmaker then a dribbler.

neymar to, just because they play with a lot of flash doesnt mean they are great dribblers, the are better in other things.

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and naga, he played actually pretty good against chelsea, i expected worse. but then again he had great cover with campagnaro, and then in the second half the whole team was playing on defence which made it easier.

naga has always been average at best. poor in defence, poor in attack. he is a hard worker tho, which counts at least for something i guess.

 

[homaru]

he tries to be a good dribbler, he plays with a lot of flash but his passing and vision is obvioulsy much better, and his on and off the ball movement. hazard has never been exceptional one on one, remember how zanetti owned him back in the day? he is like n4l said more of a playmaker then a dribbler.

neymar to, just because they play with a lot of flash doesnt mean they are great dribblers, the are better in other things.

He is a playmaker, but, when a player has space, he will dribble, and Hazard does so exceptionally. Neymar, on the other hand, is more of a dribbler, and uses flashy tricks and skills instead of vision and passing. Both are exceptional at dribbling, but Neymar, being the flashier player, incorporates dribbling into his style of play considerably more than Hazard does.

 

[Doffy]

He is a playmaker, but, when a player has space, he will dribble, and Hazard does so exceptionally. Neymar, on the other hand, is more of a dribbler, and uses flashy tricks and skills instead of vision and passing. Both are exceptional at dribbling, but Neymar, being the flashier player, incorporates dribbling into his style of play considerably more than Hazard does.

yea, typical brazilian, but remember the brazilian league is on a much lower level then the european top. this season he will have to adapt his style. neymar is actually a great passer, has good vision and shot. very speedy to, def alot of potential.