2009/2010 Midfielders rumours topic

[brehme1989]

If we go for wingers then: Quaresma/Mancini and Rosina.

 

[Pajo]

Rosina ain't winger, i mean he is, but he is better as AMC/SS

 

[brehme1989]

And Figo is better as a winger, yet he plays as AMC. Your point?

 

[Azzkikr]

For the 245th time, just because Figo can play well in several positions doesnt mean every other Winger can be an AM or every other AM can be a winger.

Please get this into your thick skulls.

 

[brehme1989]

Yes and please watch some football games and check where Rosina plays

 

[Azzkikr]

It has nothing to do with rossina, einstein. It has to do with people constantly using figo as a "proof" that every winger and their mothers can play as an AM as well, much like you just did.

Its retarded, so please stop it.

 

[Pajo]

My point is that Rosina is AM/SS, and we need him more than we need Quaresma or whatever... No point of buying wingers if we don't play 4-4-2

 

[K.I.]

Figo is an exception guys,azzkikr is right,a few wingers can actully play as attacking midfielders and vice-versa.

 

[brehme1989]

Rosina is one of them ffs!!!

 

[crzdcolombian]

we need a DM and I heard that over the winter break inter was intersted in the Colombian Carlos Sanchez who plays in france and on the NT, he is really young and was wanted by Manchester City and Tottenham.... tho his french squad wanted 13 million

the guy is only 21 and what I saw from him in the 1st 4 games of qualifiers he is def a beast and would be awesome to have him at Inter, we can def get him for less than they want for him as he was purchased for only 1 million a season earlier. he was also rated in the top 5 players at the DM position in france, think his team is Valencias something

 

[Azzkikr]

Why not just buy the entire colombian national team?

You praise them all so much i think its a valid idea.....

 

[Ilkinio]

May be we should buy somebody from Kosovo and make Azzkikr happy

 

[mexican_azzurri]

Quaresmas is a really good player but in the important games just play for himself, like yesterday, is some are angry for Ibra about his attitude in important games, Quaresma is worst....

I never have seeing to Raikitic live and yesterday play a little, he give me a good impression is good for a "promise" but we need a "old" star like deco or someone with experience like diego...rakitic+diego Wow!

 

[Enzo]

nah that croatian rakitic was average in the first leg as well and ive seen some schalke on setanta and he's good at best

 

[cloudq]

damnit! adriano + cash for diego right now!

 

[brehme1989]

Adriano would never go to Werder, especially as a part deal!

 

[Luka]

1st, the fact that in italy 95% of teams except Roma and Fiorentina in example, plays slow football and not fast like in England, doesn't mean they are not capable of doing it. It's just that italian coaches are more of an quality over quantity, it was for ages, and it's nothing new. It's not the matter of incapability, but more of a aware choice. In England you play fast direct football, in Italy you play slow tempo build up football.

2nd, every year we come here talking about buying this player and that player, and I can assure you the next year will be the same.

3rd, nothing will chance if Mancini won't chance his attitude towards away games that are very important. Even if we had Messi and C. Ronaldo in the team, it wouldn't change anything, because a deffensive tactic is still deffensive tactic, no matter if you have 0 strikers on the field, or 10 strikers on the field.

4th, I hope we will live to a day, where Mancini will know what he wants. He should make up his mind, what he wants to play and stick to it, with only minor changes. We don't have players to play 2 so different tactics as 4-3-1-2 and 4-4-2. If he wants to play 4-4-2, fine with me. Just get a players we need. But untill this will happen we should never use it.

 

[Azzkikr]

3rd, nothing will chance if Mancini won't chance his attitude towards away games that are very important. Even if we had Messi and C. Ronaldo in the team, it wouldn't change anything, because a deffensive tactic is still deffensive tactic, no matter if you have 0 strikers on the field, or 10 strikers on the field.

This is bull. Like i said several times, A coach creates his tactic based on the players he has available, he doesnt create the tactic and then just pick random players for the positions regardless if they are fit for that position or not. Obviously he isnt going to use an offensive approach with a midfield who's primary attributes are defensive qualities, over-the-hill figo and inexperienced Jimenez aside.

Mancini's ideology obviously rely on having very strong defensive capabilities, his player choices and buys over the years confirms this. You can argue that he build the team poorly for europe, but you cant blame him for sticking to his defensive approach. This is how he build the team, if he suddenly wanted these players to try and play fluent attacking combination play and basicly give them roles they cant play then we would even more disastrous.

 

[Luka]

This is bull. Like i said several times, A coach creates his tactic based on the players he has available, he doesnt create the tactic and then just pick random players for the positions regardless if they are fit for that position or not. Obviously he isnt going to use an offensive approach with a midfield who's primary attributes are defensive qualities, over-the-hill figo and inexperienced Jimenez aside.

Mancini's ideology obviously rely on having very strong defensive capabilities, his player choices and buys over the years confirms this. You can argue that he build the team poorly for europe, but you cant blame him for sticking to his defensive approach. This is how he build the team, if he suddenly wanted these players to try and play fluent attacking combination play and basicly give them roles they cant play then we would even more disastrous.

That is true, and I said it many times. But I said also, I am not expecting Vieira Cambiasso and Zanetti to play like Barcelona or Arsenal are playing. I will say again, I am well aware, that our midfield is incapable of playing Roma style, or Barcelona style, or Arsenal style football. But I refuse to believe that our side is incapable of putting up the fight against the opposite team, and that is mostly done by a strong midfield, the one we have. We should be able to create a hell for an opposition in tearms of trying to dominate the midfield.

How many teams are in the world who are playing such an attacking, techniqual, and shiftfull football? Maybe few in the world, and yet there are many others who doesn't have the privalage of having the best techniqual players in the world and yet, they are winning many games.

I wasn't expecting us to create 20 chances against Liverpool and score 5 goals. I know we are unable to do so, because we lack an ingredient in the equasion. All I was expecting is determination, will, fight in the midfield, not letting the opponent to play their game, and what we've seen was that we deffended for the most part of the game with all our players on our half, and when attacking noone was going forward except for Zlatan and Cruz.

If Spalletti got our team for that one game, I'm sure he wouldn't tell us to play like Roma does. Noone would. But what he also wouldn't do is play so deep and so deffensively like Mancini did. You can play deffensively, as italians love to, and we could counter a lot, but you cannot counter when you kick the ball up the field, and expect to 2 players up front to do the counter. I don't know how about you, but I don't remember Maxwell or Maicon to be even once at opponents half. Maybe there was a one occurance, that I missed, but that's it. That is outragous. With so skilled fullbacks like this, you cannot tell them to sit in defense and only defend. In that formation, full backs are essentiall, as they should be teams wingers, and midfield should cover for them.

ps. Sticking to the deffensive approach is one thing, and playing 11 men behind the ball is another thing.

 

[Cro Nerazzurro]

Like you said, we cant expect to play like Arsenal, Man U or Barca, but with players we have - we MUST show determination and possesion football at least.