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Most Diverse PosterSome of y'all are oversimplifying racism, which is kinda sad. Whoever wants to continue this convo, PM me and we can talk about it.
I can't believe Acerbi is going to make a divide between Inter fans
I can't believe Acerbi is going to make a divide between Inter fans
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Forum Supporter10 years of FIFMade-up definitions by people who want to make it okay for people to be racist against white people, yes. But let me guess, you'll ultimately go "no no, you don't understand, racism is "power + prejudice", which means black people and minorities can never be racist due to the fact they don't have institutionalized power in the West because of lived experiences in a white supremacist yadayadayada", but by that logic Barack Obama couldn't be racist against a homeless white man. It doesn't work like that on an interpersonal level, and if you'd please, take that fuckery elsewhere.
No there isn't. Australian, 1/4 Indian multi-millionaire Sam Kerr throwing up in a cab, refusing to pay the fare and the calling the cab-driver a "white bastard" isn't not racism or less racist because of, I dunno', the slave trade or Jim Crow, which neither experienced, no matter how much the left wants to smugly herald it as free speech or just opposition against an elevated group.
Either you don't want anyone to be racist and you do your best to stamp it out, or you'll turn a blind eye to racism against one demography, and then see a whole lot of people become racist because of (rightly) perceived different playing fields. It's your choice, ultimately.
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This discussion is getting a bit too black and white (no pun intended).
Is it possible that Acerbi is not really a racist but still used the word all the same as a mental game to throw off the opponent because he knew it would stir a reaction? Let's establish if the problem is that Acerbi is a bad person, or that Juan Jesus got offended?
Is it at all possible that the victim (for the lack of a better term here) would not be above intentionally wasting time with the referee, complaining about the incident when precious time and points are on the line? Does that make the victim a bad person too?
It's football, things happen on the pitch. If Juan Jesus understood that well enough and said it himself after the match, it's hilarious that people here are offended more than him and expect Acerbi to be fired or something equally ludicrous.
Is it possible that Acerbi is not really a racist but still used the word all the same as a mental game to throw off the opponent because he knew it would stir a reaction? Let's establish if the problem is that Acerbi is a bad person, or that Juan Jesus got offended?
Is it at all possible that the victim (for the lack of a better term here) would not be above intentionally wasting time with the referee, complaining about the incident when precious time and points are on the line? Does that make the victim a bad person too?
It's football, things happen on the pitch. If Juan Jesus understood that well enough and said it himself after the match, it's hilarious that people here are offended more than him and expect Acerbi to be fired or something equally ludicrous.
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Forum Supporter10 years of FIFDepends whether there are any witnesses or video evidence. Also whether they will protect acerbi or not.
Going by past events everyone will claim they heard nothing as they don't want to get involved in such a case.
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10 years of FIFSo should Acerbi be punished based on solely Juan Jesus's word? If Acerbi really said that and can be proven, FIGC should punish him and im on board with that. Otherwise, it's hearsay.
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Most Improved MemberNo personal offense, but this is bullshit statement.
I'm Bulgarian, and in Bulgaria there was never any kind of slavery in the past. So, please don't put everyone in the same basket. If you feel guilty that your ancestors did something wrong to the black people, and you seek for some kind of redemption, act whatever you like. But, don't put all white people as a whole, and don't state that all of them should feel guilty or apologize for something, that only some of their ancestors did.
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Forum Supporter10 years of FIFNever said that acerbi should be found guilty unless proven. That's what makes racism and sexual harrassment cases very hard. Cause he said/she said in a lot of them. Those investigating will need to determine who they find truthful.
One issue will defenitely bite acerbi in the ass is apologizing on the field where the ref heard the apology and then denying he said anything a day after.
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10 years of FIFYea I agree. Did the ref give any statement? If Acerbi, in fact, apologized for saying something racist, the ref should be able to attest to that and it's a case closed imo.
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10 years of FIFHold your horses there with your personal insults.
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10 years of FIFYes, we should take the victim's words as face value by default. But then investigate it and come to conclusion. But do not start to immediately question the supposed victim.Now you're doing exactly what shouldn't be done, and that's automatically believing the supposed victim. We have no idea if Juan Jesus is lying or misunderstood what was said, just because he claims he isn't or didn't. It's a lose-lose situation for Acerbi, no matter what he does. If he doesn't claim innocence and stays silent, everyone will believe he's a racist who's afraid to admit his faults, and if he claims he didn't say anything racist and receives pushback, he's seen as a lying racist.
Let them investigate - no matter what happens, Acerbi's reputation, at the very least, is forever tarnished. Maybe justly, maybe unjustly; we don't know yet.
For context, Juan Jesus said something similar in 2014
Juan: "I was racially abused by Higuain"
During the program Esporte Espetacular, which carried out a survey on racism in the sport after the episode of the banana thrown by a Villarreal fansempreinter.com
"The Brazilian claimed to have been racially abused by the Argentine attacker Gonzalo Higuain, who was then at Real Madrid and is now at Napoli. This is his story: “During a normal play, I stole the ball from Higuain. At that moment, he started saying to me: ‘Go away, n*****, monkey, go away’. At first, I was puzzled. For about ten seconds, I wondered why a guy known throughout the world for his quality and personality would do this. It saddened me; I felt helpless, I didn’t know what to do.”
Now I'm on the side of "what would Juan Jesus gain from lying in the scenario?" - I'm also on the side of "if Acerbi said something vile, why would you, as someone who supposedly experienced a racially motivated 'attack,' just shrug it off as something that happens on the pitch after complaining to the referee?" But I'm having a hard time believing Higuain would spontaneously begin loudly shouting racial slurs in a friendly match simply because Jesus took the ball away from him. In any case, nothing came of it, but at the very least it shows that Jesus isn't afraid to make accusations in the public sphere. Who knows.
That's what you are doing here right now. Taking some earlier case and start to question that and using that as a possible argument for JJ doing this now in a bad faith.
Racism is an issue in Italy, we can all at least agree to that, so the matter is pretty delicate. The culture in Italy is bad in this matter, still. Let alone what it was 10 years ago. You saying that JJ isn't afraid to make accusations in the public sphere as if that's somehow a bad thiing is just fucking disgusting. Reeks of victim blaming.
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Forum Supporter10 years of FIFNo you shouldn't. Just like people shouldn't accept it as automatically true if I claimed you just sent me a dick-pick by private message. The proof is in the pudding, not in the accusation. You're expousing the exact opposite to anyone being innocent without being proven guilty.
I don't think it's bad faith to say "hey, there's precedent here, and nothing came out if then". It's almost the exact same phrasing, actually. I didn't use his earlier statements to judge whether there is any truth to his accusations now.
I think where we disagree is that you inherently see Juan Jesus as a victim - and thus Acerbi worthy of scorn and professional repercussions - without really needing any proof at this moment. I don't, although I'm not saying that his claims are not worth investigating and that we shouldn't assume anyone is lying before the investigation is underway or finished.
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10 years of FIFNothing came out of it because 10 years ago no one in Italy gave a fuck about racism. At least they've progressed since we have this debacle at our hands now.