Mercato Team (Ausilio, Marotta, & Co.) and Strategies

CafeCordoba said:

ChillBro suggested the most credible explanation. There is some clause/agreement in the Oaktree deal that we are committed to sell big before July etc and then we can spend some. And then next summer the same thing.

This would make it sure for Oaktree that the club is not TOO fucked financially in a case Suning can't repay the loan and club goes to Oaktree.

edit. This is the most credible because we rushed the Hakimi deal so fast last summer. Now the rumors look the same, we are looking to dump the first player who's getting big enough offers. According to rumors that seems to be Bastoni which is just a damn shame. Selling him for 60m€ is a fucking travesty. It should start with 80m€.

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But if Oaktree have such a big control on club decisions why do Suning refuse to consider selling the club? Why do they insist on keeping it? It doesn't make any sense.

CafeCordoba said:

ChillBro suggested the most credible explanation. There is some clause/agreement in the Oaktree deal that we are committed to sell big before July etc and then we can spend some. And then next summer the same thing.

This would make it sure for Oaktree that the club is not TOO fucked financially in a case Suning can't repay the loan and club goes to Oaktree.

edit. This is the most credible because we rushed the Hakimi deal so fast last summer. Now the rumors look the same, we are looking to dump the first player who's getting big enough offers. According to rumors that seems to be Bastoni which is just a damn shame. Selling him for 60m€ is a fucking travesty. It should start with 80m€.

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But if we have a 60m asset, and we sell it so we no longer have that asset, does it make any difference to Oaktree?

Kramerica Industries said:

Calm the fuck down 'mate you're overreacting.

He'll be sold for €50M + €10M bonuses.

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Yearly installments of 5 million.

Il Drago said:

But if Oaktree have such a big control on club decisions why do Suning refuse to consider selling the club? Why do they insist on keeping it? It doesn't make any sense.

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I don't know, maybe Oaktree has Suning by the balls and they can't even sell the club as long as the Oaktree deal is on. Oaktree is getting good money out of that loan deal. We need to remember, Oaktree gave the loan to Suning holding company and Inter is pledged in that deal. So I guess you can't just sell a pledged asset. Oaktree might have a lot to say what Zhangs can do with Inter. This is just guessing but sounds reasonable to me.

Harpsabu said:

But if we have a 60m asset, and we sell it so we no longer have that asset, does it make any difference to Oaktree?

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That 60m€ asset can't pay salaries. 60m in cash is what pays salaries. We need to remember club is making deficit every season so it's not like the extra cash is some extra cash in the bank account. It just means we will make less deficit.

Bremer and Dybala are upgrades on De Vrij and Dzeko. But what’s the point of improving if we lose Bastoni and Skriniar? It’s much easier to replace Lautaro than those two in my opinion so if there’s anyone we should sell it’s Lautaro. We can also afford to lose perisic on a free rather than extend because we have Gosens waiting in the wings.

IMO this is the list we should consider for outgoings:

Lautaro
Dumfries
Perisic
De Vrij
Di Marco
Correa


Our first XI next year will be very strong and competitive with Dybala, Bremer and a new striker. What we should improve on is an impact forward to come off the bench and a central midfielder to give competition for our current trio. If there’s still money left then two wing backs who can also come on and attack tired legs.

If we end up selling Bastoni, or any of our younger stars, I am going to scream!

This was my problem with the signings of Hakan and Dzeko. They both did well, better than expected. But thats 20m a year in wages! Dybala will be another 12-14m in wages. Why are we signing such expensive players if we don't have cash flows to support it?! You can keep funding this by selling a Hakimi or a Bastoni every year, thats the road to doom. Its not sustainable.

If Suning don't want to invest at all, then the only sensible thing to do is bring our wage bill in line with our revenues. Dzeko, Sanchez, Vidal, De Vrij, & Correa need to go. Add Kolarov, Ranocchia & Vecino to this mix, and thats 52m per year in wages. Replace them not with players like Dybala, but with players in the Dumfries to Gosens range wage wise. At least this way we don't have to sell a star every summer!

I hope someone buys Inter from Suning. This is getting really depressing. #SuningOUT

Bluenine said:

If we end up selling Bastoni, or any of our younger stars, I am going to scream!

This was my problem with the signings of Hakan and Dzeko. They both did well, better than expected. But thats 20m a year in wages! Dybala will be another 12-14m in wages. Why are we signing such expensive players if we don't have cash flows to support it?! You can keep funding this by selling a Hakimi or a Bastoni every year, thats the road to doom. Its not sustainable.

If Suning don't want to invest at all, then the only sensible thing to do is bring our wage bill in line with our revenues. Dzeko, Sanchez, Vidal, De Vrij, & Correa need to go. Add Kolarov, Ranocchia & Vecino to this mix, and thats 52m per year in wages. Replace them not with players like Dybala, but with players in the Dumfries to Gosens range wage wise. At least this way we don't have to sell a star every summer!

I hope someone buys Inter from Suning. This is getting really depressing. #SuningOUT

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Sound good! But don't forget, the wages is all you pay for them. For Gosens and Dumfries we pay the transfers. The amortisation cost could be higher than a big slary. And you gave here 2 examples of reasonable transfer fees. Not all of them are the same.

I love suddenly Lautaro is untouchable but we are willing to sell one of the most promising cbs in Europe.

I love this club more than anything, like a lot of people here I cannot describe what Inter means to me. But I hate this. I hate seeing our club whored out like this. This is different from the likes of Ajax, Atalanta, Dortmund, etc. Inter is supposed to be bigger than that. If I see Bastoni or Skriniar sold this summer I really don't know how I can watch Inter games with the same passion I've always had knowing we're just selling some of our best-ever players that PLAY FOR THE SHIRT. It's disgusting, it's literally whoring out the club. Suning got generous offers last year but rejected them for an absurd evaluation and still don't know why. We shouldn't be going through this, we're fucking Inter.

I hate to say this or be so dramatic but if we really do sell Basto I'm done. I don't know how I can go on knowing every summer will be THIS.

You aren't being dramatic, you're being reasonable. If suning truly sell another star that's 200 million in sales of 3 players in one calendar year. Very little of that going to investment. That is abhorrent ownership of a club like this. I mean could you imagine something like this at an English club? Not even just the fan outrage, the media attention it would get would completely destroy the PR of the club for years.

Harpsabu said:

But why. Why do we need to end with 60m profit?? Is there any justification behind that?

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Zang Jr needs new car and his daddy new yacht and private jet.

Il Drago said:

But if Oaktree have such a big control on club decisions why do Suning refuse to consider selling the club? Why do they insist on keeping it? It doesn't make any sense.

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their business in China is the answer. Suning need our club as asset to save their company from being bankrupt.

Selling a big player means we are done. You can't chip away at the core of the team and not rebuild that.

On the other hand, if we just need 60m, there are ways without a big sacrifice.
Conservatively
De Vrij - 10m
Dumfries - 25m
Pinamonti - 15m

Add some other youth and there we are.

Il Drago said:

I love suddenly Lautaro is untouchable but we are willing to sell one of the most promising cbs in Europe.

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Lautaro showed his scoring ability at the end of the season. We desperately need that ability. Scoring ability is the hardest ability to acquire in football world.

CafeCordoba said:

ChillBro suggested the most credible explanation. There is some clause/agreement in the Oaktree deal that we are committed to sell big before July etc and then we can spend some. And then next summer the same thing.

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Very possible but if this is the case then both Oaktree and Suning are fucking idiots because either way you're just turning the club into a piece of shit with increasingly diminishing returns. Completely unsustainable arrangement financially speaking - not to mention the footballing aspect of replacing your best players with fucking trash.

Oaktree haven't even taken us over and I despise them already. I warned that we would not be as lucky as Milan. And those fucking animals do not even comprehend how hysterically lucky they got that their notorious vulture fund owner suddenly had a change of heart and took a personal liking to Milan.

rockball said:

Selling a big player means we are done. You can't chip away at the core of the team and not rebuild that.

On the other hand, if we just need 60m, there are ways without a big sacrifice.
Conservatively
De Vrij - 10m
Dumfries - 25m
Pinamonti - 15m

Add some other youth and there we are.

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Nah too difficult for transfer genius Marotta. Why go to the effort of selling and replacing 5 players when you can just sell one (Bastoni) and replace him with one free signing? (Romagnoli)

Jokes aside, somehow, STILL no one knows whether that 60m needs to be cash or plusvalenza. I'd thought cash, because we sacrificed Hakimi for fucking NEGLIGIBLE plusvalenza. But this time around I'm reading rumors that it needs to be capital gains which would mean we're doubly fucked. And not to mention, is also completely fucking bewildering.

I am not against this 'being self sustainable' tactic. Given our current state it is very important. But there need to be a compleet overhaul in this club to achieve that. Selling key-players at a discount is not the way.

It is really important to have a core of top players where supporters can identify themself with. Bastoni, Skriniar, Barella, Brozovic and Lautaro are the ones for us. Hakimi could have been one too. I think nobody blames the managent for selling Lukaku for that amount. Every sane club would do that. But selling Hakimi for 60 and hypothetically selling Bastoni for the same amount is insane. Look at Benfica and Ajax for example. The prototype of self-sustainable clubs, selling their top players for absolute top money. If we get offers of 100 mil +, offcourse, we could think of selling. But not for the amounts we are talking about today.

Besides that we need to reduce our salary cap. Top earners should be top players. Stop giving loads of money to done players like Dzeko, Vidal, Alexis, Correa, Kolarov etc. Reduce our squad size to 18 players who could deliver immediately. Full up the rest of our squad with our best youth talents and give them changes to develop themselfes. Invest in our youthsystem and scoutingsystem and bring in players to develop. Build a squad.

If Suning really care about bein' self sustainable we need our own stadium. This drags way too long. Sky boxes gets you the most revenue, we need a stadium where we can milk from that. Get a shirtsponsor who pay us good money and get that new deal with nike. Sponsorship is an important thing too.

What i mean to say is that there are a lot of things we should do to get self sustainable. Selling our top players, the loved ones of our public, isn't one of them. Invest in youth rather than in experience. Reduce squad size en reduce our salary cap. Invest in our new stadium. Attract new sponsors. etc.

Universe said:

Very possible but if this is the case then both Oaktree and Suning are fucking idiots because either way you're just turning the club into a piece of shit with increasingly diminishing returns. Completely unsustainable arrangement financially speaking - not to mention the footballing aspect of replacing your best players with fucking trash.

Oaktree haven't even taken us over and I despise them already. I warned that we would not be as lucky as Milan. And those fucking animals do not even comprehend how hysterically lucky they got that their notorious vulture fund owner suddenly had a change of heart and took a personal liking to Milan.



Nah too difficult for transfer genius Marotta. Why go to the effort of selling and replacing 5 players when you can just sell one (Bastoni) and replace him with one free signing? (Romagnoli)

Jokes aside, somehow, STILL no one knows whether that 60m needs to be cash or plusvalenza. I'd thought cash, because we sacrificed Hakimi for fucking NEGLIGIBLE plusvalenza. But this time around I'm reading rumors that it needs to be capital gains which would mean we're doubly fucked. And not to mention, is also completely fucking bewildering.

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Oaktree probably doesn't give a fuck how we do on the pitch. Inter shares are pledged to their deal so they might get that asset if Suning can't pay their loan back. So they included the clause which makes Inter to make money for itself (because Inter is making deficit anyway) for its own costs. They care more about the asset (Inter) not losing as much rather than asset doing well sporting wise. Returns might diminish but I think realism is we are still a CL team after these sales. They care that if they get Inter shares for themselves, they don't have an asset which is losing a lot of money every year, but less than lot. I can see their logic (purely money making one).

I thought some of you were asking for this kind of management. Selling high, buying low, rinse, repeat...

Or are you know understanding what it meant when some of us said that Inter does not lose players it wants to keep.
This only applies to Hakimi from last season, and to a smaller extent Lukaku. Marotta is the type of manager all the people who wanted this is, it's one of the main reasons I objected to his appointment. Skriniar being whored out three summers in a row is pathetic enough. Barella and Bastoni having price tags. Almost losing Brozovic on a free...

Well, unless some things change, this is the new Inter.

TheNetworkZ said:

I love this club more than anything, like a lot of people here I cannot describe what Inter means to me. But I hate this. I hate seeing our club whored out like this. This is different from the likes of Ajax, Atalanta, Dortmund, etc. Inter is supposed to be bigger than that. If I see Bastoni or Skriniar sold this summer I really don't know how I can watch Inter games with the same passion I've always had knowing we're just selling some of our best-ever players that PLAY FOR THE SHIRT. It's disgusting, it's literally whoring out the club. Suning got generous offers last year but rejected them for an absurd evaluation and still don't know why. We shouldn't be going through this, we're fucking Inter.

I hate to say this or be so dramatic but if we really do sell Basto I'm done. I don't know how I can go on knowing every summer will be THIS.

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Don't worry about being dramatic or anything else. You just share your feelings about our current situation and you aren't the only one who feels like this. Besides, what's football if not emotions? We are grown men who post on a footballing forum. I am sure all of us have better ways to spend our time. So why do we do it? Because we fucking care about this club. Most of us support it since we were kids and we're emotionally involved in this club. It's attachment to the colours, the jersey, this iconic stadium, Inter's values. But also attachment to the great players who gave their all for this jersey and became Inter symbols. People often say Inter is bigger than any player. That's true. But what's Inter without Meazza, Fachetti, Mazzola, Corso, Oriali, Burgnich, Berti, Zenga, Bergomi, Zanetti, Cordoba, Cambiasso and so many others who became club legends? Can you imagine them not spending most of their career at Inter? For me, it's unthinkable. How many of us would be in this forum without them?

We live in a time where attachment to the jersey has become so rare for players. And yet we're lucky enough to have players who love playing for Inter and they want to spend most of their career at the club. Skriniar, the guy who said since he joined he wants to become Inter's Hamsik and has refused many offers to leave. Bastoni, the most promising Italing cb, a boyhood Interista who sang along with curva nord in SuperCoppa final and he has said his dream is lifting Scudetto as an Inter captain. And we want force them out? Are we for real? Who's gonna be next? Probably Barella, another Interista who refused EVERYONE to come to Inter and tied himself to the club till he's 29 and his coach said that he feels Inter's jersey as part of his body. It's so rare to find guys like them in modern football and we want them out. And for what exactly? So Suning can keep ahold of the club for one more year and Steven can keep playing with his toy? Fuck off. Enough is enough.

Also let's have a bit perspective about figures Suning are asking EVERY SUMMER by comparing them with transfer balance of successful selling clubs in the last 5 years (figures from transfermarkt):

Borussia Dortmund
2021/22: +63m (Sancho summer)
2020/21: -44m
2019/20: -16m
2018/19: +23m
2017/18: +153 (Dembele summer)

RB Leipzig
2021/22: +5m
2020/21: -1.5m
2019/20: -34m
2018/19: +7m
2017/18: -38m

Atalanta
2021/22: +35m
2020/21: +13m
2019/20: +45m
2018/19: -34m
2017/18: +16m

Not even freaking Atalanta achieve the numbers Suning are asking EVERY YEAR. With Suning demands Inter need to be THE selling club in Europe. You can only find these figues in clubs like Ajax (who have a top notch academy and are a special case) and Portuguese clubs. Is this what Inter has become? Italian Porto?

If Suning don't sell the club we're going to have the fate of Palotta's Roma. Decling team slowly but steadily year by year, endless player trading with no attachment for the jersey and in the end there will be no squad core and financial situation won't even improve.

If they sell Bastoni i am totally and truly done with everyone at the club. I won't stop watching Inter games. My love for these colours will never stop. But i will distance myself from team's mercato. I have the utmost respect for people who can still be optimistic about the club's future in this situation but I simply can't go through this shit every summer.

brehme1989 said:

I thought some of you were asking for this kind of management. Selling high, buying low, rinse, repeat...

Or are you know understanding what it meant when some of us said that Inter does not lose players it wants to keep.
This only applies to Hakimi from last season, and to a smaller extent Lukaku. Marotta is the type of manager all the people who wanted this is, it's one of the main reasons I objected to his appointment. Skriniar being whored out three summers in a row is pathetic enough. Barella and Bastoni having price tags. Almost losing Brozovic on a free...

Well, unless some things change, this is the new Inter.

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Unfortunately this seems to be the case. Marotta's modus operandi at Juve was to sell high and buy lower, that was important part of Juve being financially (somewhat) healthy. This was before Ronaldo, Marotta left after they did that deal.

Players are just assets, commodity to the management (Marotta).