Ivan Perišić

varmin said:

This is something normal actually. When you like people working with you deliver better end product.

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Normal, but abnormal for a "true" pro that is being discussed here.

varmin said:

This is something normal actually. When you like people working with you deliver better end product.

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When you work at McDonalds that's fine. Perisic on the other hand is paid better than 99.9999999% of the population, he should feel a tad bit more inclined towards performing in a way that is not easily affected by how much he likes the person he is supposed to kick the ball towards. That's what being professional means.

His open EPL desire is not something I hold against him. He tried, it didn't work, he is now trying to work it out with the club. Very commendable. However when one takes into account that he performed like garbage for the previous 15 months and that he is clearly a bit of a passive aggressive hothead, we should use this current wave of his improved performances and offload him to the first club that comes waving a 50mil check. I really don't want to wait until October to see if he likes the new upcoming signings enough to give a fuck about trying to beat his marker.

dax21 said:

When you work at McDonalds that's fine. Perisic on the other hand is paid better than 99.9999999% of the population, he should feel a tad bit more inclined towards performing in a way that is not easily affected by how much he likes the person he is supposed to kick the ball towards. That's what being professional means.

His open EPL desire is not something I hold against him. He tried, it didn't work, he is now trying to work it out with the club. Very commendable. However when one takes into account that he performed like garbage for the previous 15 months and that he is clearly a bit of a passive aggressive hothead, we should use this current wave of his improved performances and offload him to the first club that comes waving a 50mil check. I really don't want to wait until October to see if he likes the new upcoming signings enough to give a fuck about trying to beat his marker.

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Ok, you hate Perisic for his controversy with Icardi and not being professional since that has occurred. So my theory is legit here. Perisic does not get along anymore Icardi with and his end product (assisting to Icardi) became shit. Before that had happened Perisic-Icardi were perfect example for great attacking duo. I think Perisic had something like 9-10 assists to Icardi and the latter returned him the favor 4-5 times in season 2016-17. That makes 13-15 only between two of them.

I don't hate Perisic at all, I just don't see us winning jack shit with him.

dax21 said:

I don't hate Perisic at all, I just don't see us winning jack shit with him.

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I can say that for the majority of our players...

Only Skriniar, SDV, Brozo, Lautaro should have a lengthy future here tbh.
Everyone else isn't on the level of... Actually winning something
I hoped Handa could win something here but doesn't seem likely.
The majority of our current players won't win shit at Inter
Sad truth

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JJM said:

I can say that for the majority of our players...

Only Skriniar, SDV, Brozo, Lautaro should have a lengthy future here tbh.
Everyone else isn't on the level of... Actually winning something
I hoped Handa could win something here but doesn't seem likely.
The majority of our current players won't win shit at Inter
Sad truth

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Depends how many years Handanovic will play.

Im not sure about Brozo, in this last months he is playing bad, feels like the old brozo that we know...

I always knew that Icardi would win nothing here. Specialy because he is not a captain. I can't immagine him lifting a trophy as true team leader, like Zanetti , Baresi, Bergomi and others...it's like when Abate lifted the Supercoppa some years ago. Or Leicester captain lifting the EPL trophy. Rare things tbh.

Buffon was shit for 4 years and still got called out best Goalkeeper of Serie A. I still think Handanovic has many years left in him.

Fuck you bitch!

He is 30. It is normal for him to show signs of decline. He should have been sold last summer and Spalletti's objection should have been ignored. Perisic won't be able to play two matchs a week, nor would players like 9g.

I don't think the problem is decline here. I mean, even in stoppage time he was running...

Like everyone else, he has no instruction from spalletti other than try to cross towards the forward. It's a tactical problem.

He can run, but he can't do anything useful from that running.

That's where the decline is, there doesn't seem to be sufficient energy in contributing both attacking and defending phases simultaneously anymore like he did few seasons ago.

If his decline is that he can't run after 80th min, then we are pretty much fucked. Because that’s a Valero level decline, and running was like Perisic’s primary attribute.

firmino said:

I don't think the problem is decline here. I mean, even in stoppage time he was running...

Like everyone else, he has no instruction from spalletti other than try to cross towards the forward. It's a tactical problem.

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So getting a wide open shot, in the box, without pressure and shooting it straight at the keeper. How about that for 'instruction'? Prior game he missed another after toro through ball.

Say what you want, his quality end product is just not consistent. That's been his 'issue' with us for the past 3 years. We know what he CAN do, but he DOES NOT do it consistently.

He beat a fucking Rapid Vienna defender and people got hyped. Today he couldn't even get by 36y Dario Srna

His concentration, motivation and focus has always been a problem. Of course, it's easy to deflect and scapegoat other people for your issues, but now he needs to step up. He is now the leader of the offense and 1 or 2 nice crosses a game is not enough. He needs to do more. Get on the ball more. Pass and move more. Be more creative. And when you get your chances, finish it the way you CAN.

I’m not sure being more creative is a thing achievable at his age.

He has always been a somewhat one trick pony, if he was ever gonna unleash his creative side, he would have done it ages ago.

Maybe send him to live in extreme condition can open his eyes in viewing this world, that this world has more than just one step over and cross. Honestly, I do not know how to get people out of doing something they have been doing for the last 30 years.

So restricted way of thinking. Lots of players can find a different roles and ways of playing in later stages of their careers. However it also needs input from the coach. And I feel our team isn't getting lots of input from Spalletti at the moment.

It's not just changing ways of playing, in order to increase creativity, we have to change the way he sees the game, increases his vision, and improve his on ball skills to execute such vision.

Of course nothing is impossible, but time is limited to drastically change the way he plays. Plus, it's not just changing his playing style, a lot of things have to be improved in order to execute this style of play we are talking about, and that doesn't include just basic skill with the ball, but reading of the game, and vision. Things like these can't be taught, or we wouldn't have gave up on the likes of Guarin and Muntari all those years.

Restricted yes, restricted players deserve restricted thinking in all honesty.

There's also very little gain in us to help him rediscover his play to compensate for his physical decline in the long term, especially when his time here is on the count down timer.

I would very much rather we get rid of him ASAP and invest in someone who naturally plays in this multidimensionality.

Basically, it's very easy to convert a Robben to play like a Figo when he loses his speed. But we are more dealing with making a Dirk Kuyt and turning him into Messi, it's impossible.

My bad for saying more creative. What I meant was, for him to generally get on the ball more in more dangerous positions. Kinda like the Klopp philosophy. You can work on becoming more efficient/higher quality end product OR you can just increase your attempts and opportunities.

In peri's case, he needs to get more opportunities. 1-2 crosses and 1-2 shot attempt a game isn't enough. The volume needs to ramp up. Quite frankly, politano gets more touches and are in more dangerous positions than perisic. We should flip that around and give more to perisic. Have more of our attacking plays START (not just finish), with perisic. That requires perisic to give a fuck and want to get on the ball more. Move more into spaces to receive and turn etc..

But perisic has never been too involved, i just don't think he's good enough technically. For the last 3 years it was candreva as well that usually dominated play. Perisic was much more efficient because he could beat his man and deliver with better quality but that isn't the case anymore. He couldn't beat fucking srna the other night and he isnt like giggs where when he slows down you can drop him into the centre, he doesn't have that ability it seems.

nerazzurri4life said:

My bad for saying more creative. What I meant was, for him to generally get on the ball more in more dangerous positions. Kinda like the Klopp philosophy. You can work on becoming more efficient/higher quality end product OR you can just increase your attempts and opportunities.

In peri's case, he needs to get more opportunities. 1-2 crosses and 1-2 shot attempt a game isn't enough. The volume needs to ramp up. Quite frankly, politano gets more touches and are in more dangerous positions than perisic. We should flip that around and give more to perisic. Have more of our attacking plays START (not just finish), with perisic. That requires perisic to give a fuck and want to get on the ball more. Move more into spaces to receive and turn etc..

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But that means reduce his defensive duty so its more often in that position you are talking about.

This is sort of like how Cristiano Ronaldo started sitting higher up the pitch to get the ball at all times after some years in Madrid.

I am not sure if that's a good thing for Perisic considering defensive contribution was one of the primary key contribution to the team.

It's like we are sacrificing 100% of defensive contribution there in exchange for a 50% boost in the attack.

I have suggested the same last week or so, but I am not sure whether there's actually any practicality in it.

I suppose if that means better finishing than Politano, then it's some improvement. Some improvement is better than no improvement.

Agreed. But right now where we're at, that's what we need. Because otherwise, where will the goals come from? Like I posted in the serie A thread, the situation is dire in terms of goals needed in the last 12 games and where it can realistically come from, given that we need to score at least 1.5-2 goals per game (so 18-24 goals needed).

That's a lot of goals and for sure as shit we can't depend on Politano for it. We can't depend on 9g. We shouldn't put pressure on toro to pitch in 6+ goals in the last 12 games. Candreva can't. Keita can't even be fit. Vecino? Brozo? Dumbo? DeV/skriniar? Asamoah ?

The only person left is perisic. He has the experience and wants to be leader so has to step up. If it means less defensive responsibility, so be it.

Icardi

Just apologise to Wanda and the sky will be as clear as blue.

But otherwise I agree with everything else. The only hope is to have Keita back ASAP to have him play along with Perisic and Lautoro.