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So was it offside or not?

Yes, it was. The lines were a) off and b) before the ball left the Man City player's feet.

But it's "the best league in the world", you're not allowed to claim that the referees messed up. Just looking at where the linesman is situated is enough to understand that he's gonna make a bad call there. From his angle and view, he'd think that Sterling was covered by at least 2 Liverpool defenders.
 

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easy offside for me.
 

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easy offside for me.

Don't think it was easy at all. Maybe the linesman did get it wrong, haven't seen a replay so not sure myself, but on initial viewing it's a close decision either way.

I think the "easier" mistake was Kompany not getting sent off. City very lucky there, as with the Mane chance obviously.
 

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I dont think its offside, the shot is taken at an angle, but you can see that the left leg is slightly ahead of the City player, its either that or they are very closely on the same line.

And yes Kompany could have easily taken a red.
 

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This game featured 20 good technical players, and two players sticking out like sore thumbs. Lovren and Milner.
Klopp fucked his team today big time. Sometimes I have a feeling he’s trying to outsmart himself.
Wtf was he thinking dropping Fabinho and Shaq who were playing really good lately, and starting with Milner and Henderson. You don’t change a winning formations against a top team.
 

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This game featured 20 good technical players, and two players sticking out like sore thumbs. Lovren and Milner.
Klopp fucked his team today big time. Sometimes I have a feeling he’s trying to outsmart himself.
Wtf was he thinking dropping Fabinho and Shaq who were playing really good lately, and starting with Milner and Henderson. You don’t change a winning formations against a top team.

Agreed. Though pep did the same. No Mahrez, no Walker, laporte @ LB, kompany starting..
 

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still don't know if it's offside? wth guys, come on, i thought you all are expert..
 

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Do Liverpool players usually dont pass to Salah?

This post still stand BTW. Klopp has to do a better job of getting him involved, because its either him telling players not to pass to him in the build up or the players themselves are doing that.
 

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Was this the first game you've watched with Liverpool this season? Salah gets way more than enough passes. He was targeted a lot this game too. He was just taken out of the game by City being very physical with him and by him playing more CF than SS/WF. The positions firmino took up, usually salah is in those positions.
 

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Is this what people are on about? Seems like a clear onside to me, courtesy of Dejan 'best centre back in the world' Lovren.

https://twitter.com/rajsinghchohan/status/1080986932933521409 (Not a video, by the way)

(1) The ball already left the feet of danilo and sterling was already 'coming back' towards the ball (from his offside position)
(2) Watch the drawn line vs the lines on the field. Not parallel


Like I said, as soon as they put that line up, I immediately went :palm: since it's like Juve-level nonsense.
 

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Was this the first game you've watched with Liverpool this season? Salah gets way more than enough passes. He was targeted a lot this game too. He was just taken out of the game by City being very physical with him and by him playing more CF than SS/WF. The positions firmino took up, usually salah is in those positions.

I only watched 2 or 3 half games and some highlights from the season, from what i am seeing thats what i think, more people who watch Liverpool more like you may have better insight than me.
 

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(1) The ball already left the feet of danilo and sterling was already 'coming back' towards the ball (from his offside position)
(2) Watch the drawn line vs the lines on the field. Not parallel


Like I said, as soon as they put that line up, I immediately went :palm: since it's like Juve-level nonsense.

Once upon a time I mentioned what you said in number 2. Somebody replied that the line should not be parallel on tv because of camera distortion. :unsure:
 

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That is correct, also if it is parallel Lovren is still closer to his goal.
 

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Once upon a time I mentioned what you said in number 2. Somebody replied that the line should not be parallel on tv because of camera distortion. :unsure:

Camera distortion? Maybe I'm a retard but the center line, end lines, 18yd box etc are absolute references, so I fail to see how 'camera distortion' can make those straight lines not straight or not indicative of the field orientation based on camera angle. If anything, it's because of those straight lines we can determine angle and orientation of the field, regardless of camera position.

Regardless, for me it was easy since sterling wasn't running onto a pass; he was running back from an offside position. Even in this fucked up line drawing, the ball has already left danilo's feet and it is barely offside with a fucked up line. Move that video frame back to when the ball is at danilo's feet and sterling is easily offside.

On NBC's coverage, that's actually what happened which made it laughable to me. They played one slow replay (without the drawn line) showing sterling running back and lovren literally standing looking at the defensive line then moving forward to catch him offside. Then they quickly switched to a static screen show with the line drawn to "prove sterling was onside", but the ball is already off danilo's feet.

Typically, at least in non-Juve serie A games, you will see them do the repetitively go over the replay frame by frame, back and forth to really get to the point of where the ball is played.

End of the day, game over 3 points to City and good luck to them in Anfield in round 2.
 

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Camera distortion? Maybe I'm a retard but the center line, end lines, 18yd box etc are absolute references, so I fail to see how 'camera distortion' can make those straight lines not straight or not indicative of the field orientation based on camera angle. If anything, it's because of those straight lines we can determine angle and orientation of the field, regardless of camera position.

Regardless, for me it was easy since sterling wasn't running onto a pass; he was running back from an offside position. Even in this fucked up line drawing, the ball has already left danilo's feet and it is barely offside with a fucked up line. Move that video frame back to when the ball is at danilo's feet and sterling is easily offside.

On NBC's coverage, that's actually what happened which made it laughable to me. They played one slow replay (without the drawn line) showing sterling running back and lovren literally standing looking at the defensive line then moving forward to catch him offside. Then they quickly switched to a static screen show with the line drawn to "prove sterling was onside", but the ball is already off danilo's feet.

Typically, at least in non-Juve serie A games, you will see them do the repetitively go over the replay frame by frame, back and forth to really get to the point of where the ball is played.

End of the day, game over 3 points to City and good luck to them in Anfield in round 2.

This game was round 2. The first game was in Anfield they drew 0 - 0.
 

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Once upon a time I mentioned what you said in number 2. Somebody replied that the line should not be parallel on tv because of camera distortion. :unsure:

That's correct. But it's not "camera distortion". It's just the perspective of the viewer. No 2 lines in that photo posted by yoramG are seen by us to be parallel. The only time they're seen as parallel is when you look at the field from a bird's eye view.

This is primary school stuff guys.
 

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That's correct. But it's not "camera distortion". It's just the perspective of the viewer. No 2 lines in that photo posted by yoramG are seen by us to be parallel. The only time they're seen as parallel is when you look at the field from a bird's eye view.

This is primary school stuff guys.

I m sorry.. I didnt go to primary school
 

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That's correct. But it's not "camera distortion". It's just the perspective of the viewer. No 2 lines in that photo posted by yoramG are seen by us to be parallel. The only time they're seen as parallel is when you look at the field from a bird's eye view.

This is primary school stuff guys.
Modern TV camera lenses have virtually no visible optical distortion whatsoever.

It's called lens distortion and usually can be seen best around the edges of an image. It gets worse the wider the lens' focal length is and the quality of the glass of course.

Even prosumer photography lenses have negligible optical distortions nowadays (we aren't talking about extremely wide lenses here), let alone professional broadcasting glass. Even if they had some they could be corrected on the flight by software using the lens' information to normalise the image and correct all kinds of distortions, including chromatic aberration.

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Now, on your point -- I can see a lot of parallel lines in that photo, what's your point?
 
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