European Transfers & Rumours Topic

Fapuccino · Jul 26, 2016

I get your point and I don't disagree with it. It's just a "gritty" hard working target man is just better for some teams. I can certainly see someone like Mandzukic hindering Pep sides, but Rube is a mix of hard work/physicality and possession. They might need a strong/rough target man more than a person with good link up play. But we'll see how it turns out.

Pharaoh · Jul 27, 2016

Fapuccino said:
Bayern won the CL with Mandzukic and haven't since. Sometimes a more direct target man is just better. It depends on the team. I don't know if Rube keeping even more possession will be more advantageous.

That's a very silly statement to make though dude. To say oh Bayern hasn't won since they had Mandzukic. Because that implies he's the sole reason they won it. I know you're trying to explain he's useful, but he's definitely NOT the reason they won it.

ADRossi · Jul 27, 2016

I'm excited to watch Dortmund's attack this year. It's going to be sexy.

thatdude · Jul 27, 2016

ADRossi said:
I'm excited to watch Dortmund's attack this year. It's going to be sexy.

I just hope Pulisic gets minutes.

Howl · Jul 27, 2016

Hopefully we get to see Dembele play a lot of games, despite his age. There's been a lot of hype and I have barley watched him yet, but the game I saw of him against Man Utd (friendly) he absolutely raped Rojo and Shaw to score a great goal :datass:

Fapuccino · Jul 27, 2016

Pharaoh said:
That's a very silly statement to make though dude. To say oh Bayern hasn't won since they had Mandzukic. Because that implies he's the sole reason they won it. I know you're trying to explain he's useful, but he's definitely NOT the reason they won it.

Except it doesn't. What I'm saying is some teams can reach the top without having a CF that's world class at passing. A gritty physical player can actually make some teams shine depending on how the team plays.

Pharaoh · Jul 27, 2016

See I know what you're trying to say, but the way you worded it comes off as what I posted before. Which is why saying it like that is silly. I hope that makes sense

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thatdude said:
I just hope Pulisic gets minutes.

That's EXACTLY my wish as well. I swear to god sometimes I feel like we should have a separate account we both post from. See who can guess which of us is posting what.

I was thinkin in the car today. If Pulisic starts feeling left out, shit, Inter should go all in for him. That kid is the real deal.

JJM · Jul 27, 2016

Pulisic?!ha Croatian roots fo sure
Former Yugoslavia refuges all over the globe

monster09 · Jul 27, 2016

CafeCordoba said:
I'm pretty sure Higuain will be a difference maker for them in the CL. Maybe not for winning it but who they have there after Higuain? Dybala and Mandzukic. I'd say he's a hell of a difference maker.

The price is of course nothing sort of ridiculous. But it's also a proof of showing power. That they are back big time, they can pay 90m€ for a player they want to get.

He wasn't the difference maker in Madrid when he had better team and Juve can win against anyone except 3 or 4 teams. Still don't see the point of this transfer.

Shaun said:
Juve will potentially be able to play much better football with Higuain than Mandzukic imo. Whether he chokes as much as he typically does is anyone's guess, but they should at least be able to retain possession better, hit on the counter more effectively, and generally have a more rounded attack. Although, I certainly wouldn't bet against Higuain missing a sitter which puts Juve out of the CL.

But huge money for a player who isn't a big difference maker isn't it. They will anyways win the league and apart from 3 or 4 teams they will win against every other team.

Shaun said:
Yeah, and they still have that man on the bench. The best place for a direct target man imo. And it's not about having more possession, it's about having a player who when in possession is capable of more. How many attacks are ruined because Mandzukic is slow as an ant or can't do anything more than a simply lay off (he is very good at that though)? Higuain is easily the better man to build attacks with. Whether he is the better man to finish them is something else entirely.

I will say that they'll miss Mandzukic's ridiculous work ethic. There is probably not a striker in Europe that works harder

As for Bayern. They played with two of the most inform wingers in the world the season they won the CL with Mandzukic. Juve is going to be playing 352 or 4312. As good as Sandro and Alves are they're not going to be able to take advantage of Mandzukic's aerial prowess nearly as much as Bayern did when they won the CL

Robben was out of starting 11 when they won treble. Kroos was injured against Juve so Robben was regular from that point and he was ridiculous from that time.

thatdude · Jul 27, 2016

I agree with your points Monster except one.

You can't compare the Higauin from Madrid to the one now. He's in his peak now and basically put Napoli on his shoulders at times last year. He's a fully developed player in his prime you can't compare that to a younger version. Players peak we all know that.

monster09 · Jul 27, 2016

thatdude said:
I agree with your points Monster except one.

You can't compare the Higauin from Madrid to the one now. He's in his peak now and basically put Napoli on his shoulders at times last year. He's a fully developed player in his prime you can't compare that to a younger version. Players peak we all know that.

Yeah I agree with that point.

Still I always remember Higuain as bottler when it matters most. Missed the penalty which ended Napoli's CL hopes, World cup finals, 2 copa finals.

Shaun · Jul 27, 2016

monster09 said:
Yeah I agree with that point.

Still I always remember Higuain as bottler when it matters most. Missed the penalty which ended Napoli's CL hopes, World cup finals, 2 copa finals.

True, but there is no guarantee his propensity to choke has to continue. It's like people who say things like, "*insert team* always fail in Europe". However, the truth is that it is only true until it isn't. Logic suggests at any point a statement like that can become untrue.

Pharaoh · Jul 27, 2016

The best example of that is Robben, choker until he scored the winner in the UCL final.

The difference is that I don't see Higuain doing that, I don't think he has the mentality to do it. At least with Robben he would still have a good game, but just miss chances. Higuain on the other hand seems to shy away from the play completely in big games

monster09 · Jul 27, 2016

Shaun said:
True, but there is no guarantee his propensity to choke has to continue. It's like people who say things like, "*insert team* always fail in Europe". However, the truth is that it is only true until it isn't. Logic suggests at any point a statement like that can become untrue.

Logically yes but I just don't see it with Higuain.

Javier'sSon · Jul 27, 2016

JJM said:
Former Yugoslavia refuges all over the globe

I always wonder if that country didn't break up if they were able to become a force to be reckoned with, shame. Leaving politics outside of it of course both in terms of why it broke up or even when selecting the players who represent the nation.

Shaun · Jul 27, 2016

Javier'sSon said:
I always wonder if that country didn't break up if they were able to become a force to be reckoned with, shame. Leaving politics outside of it of course both in terms of why it broke up or even when selecting the players who represent the nation.

Well yeah, I'm sure the Soviet Union would have a decent team too.

Javier'sSon · Jul 27, 2016

Duh but that's way too easy. Yugoslavia alone could've been one the elite and that's a lot more impressive than big old SU in my opinion. Having said that, I'm not really sure how big Yugo was size-wise.

Wobblz · Jul 27, 2016

Shaun said:
Well yeah, I'm sure the Soviet Union would have a decent team too.

Armenia - Mkhitaryan...
Azerbaijan - ?!?
Belarus - ?!?
China - ?!?
Estonia - ?!?
Georgia - ??!
Kazakhstan - ?!?!
Kyrgyzstan - ?!?
Latvia - ?!?!?
Lithuania - ?!?!
Moldova - ?!?
Mongolia - ?!?!
Poland - fair enough, they could get some players
Russia - same here, there are a couple of good players
Tajikistan - ?!?
Turkmenistan - ?!?
Ukraine - the wingers
Uzbekistan - ?!?

Soo, no, the ex-Soviet block is just shit at football.

But to be entirely honest back in the day they had some success

Fourth place in the 1966 WC and EU champions in 1960 (with three second places).

Javier'sSon said:
Duh but that's way too easy. Yugoslavia alone could've been one the elite and that's a lot more impressive than big old SU in my opinion. Having said that, I'm not really sure how big Yugo was size-wise.

Pretty big - Italy sized maybe. The thing is that if they somehow stitched it together back they could form a beastly team - Bosnia & Herzegovina; Croatia; Kosovo; Macedonia; Montenegro; Serbia; Slovenia have some very good players.

Shaun · Jul 27, 2016

Wobblz said:
Armenia - Mkhitaryan...
Azerbaijan - ?!?
Belarus - ?!?
China - ?!?
Estonia - ?!?
Georgia - ??!
Kazakhstan - ?!?!
Kyrgyzstan - ?!?
Latvia - ?!?!?
Lithuania - ?!?!
Moldova - ?!?
Mongolia - ?!?!
Poland - fair enough, they could get some players
Russia - same here, there are a couple of good players
Tajikistan - ?!?
Turkmenistan - ?!?
Ukraine - the wingers
Uzbekistan - ?!?

Soo, no, the ex-Soviet block is just shit at football.
.

Honestly I didn't really think about it. I simply assumed they would be pretty good. Also, sorry to be a dick, but China and Mongolia? They were never a part of the Soviet Union. I don't think Poland was either

Grujinho · Jul 27, 2016

I like what Sevilla are doing, they brought Kranevitter, Ganso, Correa (from samp), Franco Vazquez (from palermo), Luciano Vietto,...plus they replaced Emery with Sampaoli...they will be an exciting team to watch

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